Very Poor Photo Shoots

[dorkster]

The photo shoots leave much to be desired .. They are either so far away as to be almost included on a non-nude site or so close that they are no longer pics of models but just body parts that could belong to anyone.
These closeups may be fine for video where they are seen in context of the whole video but they are totally useless in pics where one wants to admire the complete model.
I am shocked this site has gotten the rating it has.

After going thru 4 pages of models, I have probably saved a mere handfulof pics (NOT sets). The rest are totally uninteresting.

I feel like asking for a refund for the ripoff.

[Luxman]

After going thru 4 pages of models, I have probably saved a mere handfulof pics (NOT sets). The rest are totally uninteresting.

I guess that's a matter of taste. Most of the members are happy with our content.

Anyway, with our +2900 sets, you can get +700 handful of pictures...

I'm curious what others have to say here.

Lxm

[tom2c7777]

I concur with Luxman it is very much a matter of personal taste and perhaps how one views a photo set, whether as just that, a set, a series of pictures which tell a story or as a collection of individual pictures. I tend to the former, viewing the set as a whole within which I will have favourite pictures, sometimes those favourites will change upon further viewing.
Most sets, I find reward further viewing on a number of levels, perhaps because it was particularly inspiring set, perhaps in light of that models further shoots or change in the models appearance over time, perhaps in light of further examples of a photographers work, maybe to compare different photographers work with the same model.

Upon joining the site I was impressed with the consistent high quality of the photography and indeed the quantity (some 363,000 + images in as Luxman says 2900+ shoots), the high shoot/update rate having no impact on quality. The AW photographers, to my mind, have a very fine eye for all aspects of composition. I have remained as impressed if indeed not more so and it is one of the factors which keeps me a member of AW.

tom

[abbyapp]

These closeups may be fine for video where they are seen in context of the whole video but they are totally useless in pics...
Extreme closeups ar not my favourite shots either but I recognise that others do like them (and you should recognise that AW has to cater for a wide range of viewers). You say that closeups lack context, but preceding shots in the series provide context (unless you have the memory of a goldfish).

I think it is more than a matter of taste. Perhaps it is also a matter of attitude and personality.

Once, after I appeared in an amateur film, whenever I watched a film at the cinema all I could think of was camera angles and how the shot was constructed. That totally ruined the enjoyment of the film.

Maybe you are being too analytical and that is detracting from your enjoyment. Try to avoid having preconceptions about the types of shot you do or do not like. Download a set, unzip and view as a slideshow. Try to appreciate and savour each image, but skip through those that don't appeal. Relax and enjoy.

Peace out.

[immie]

Yeah, I reckon it's a matter of taste as well. I'm generally ho-hum about the close-ups, and often browse past them, but there are plenty of beautiful shots in each set, methinks. I'm a little perplexed about what you mean about some shots being so far away that they don't belong on a nude site. Could you give me an example? Anyway, one could also argue that the girls shouldn't even start off clothed, because we do have fully clothed shots that should then supposedly not belong on a nude site. Seems a little harsh to judge it that way, I reckon.

[kronful2]

What dorkster (http://forums.abbywinters.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=344534) said is not completely wrong. But he went much too far. I like AW. I am a very old subscriber, I left for a while and I am back. I have a huge library of downloads from AW. The girls you find here are the ones you may call “the girl next door”

I agree with Abbyapp “Extreme closeups are not my favourite shots either but I recognise that others do like them”.

I like the model to show us the beauty of her body and to make poses showing her beauty from different angles. Some close-up shoots are not bad. I still remember a close-up shot of Rosanna or Candace showing a sweet golden muff. It is a pic I saw many years ago, but still in my memory. However, extreme and very detailed close-up are not my favorite. It is neither biology nor a medical site showing us the anatomy of certain parts of the female body.

I fully agree to ALL what Immie said. I respect this model and follow her sets and her posts. With one site other than AW the model remained clothed for more than 4/5 of the shots. I rated the photographer 1/10. In such an instance is it the photographer’s or the model’s fault? I enjoyed all the sets made by Immie. However, I wish she did not do some of the “very detailed close-ups’ such as “r_immie087”.

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my admiration to all our sweet AW models and to Immie in particular.



note:
The close up I referred to is for Candace it dates for 23 Aug 2004. it is a nice close up to be remembered.
http://solo.abbywinters.com/main.php?page=image&index=65&shoot=759 (http://solo.abbywinters.com/main.php?page=image&index=65&shoot=759)

[silkenshadow]

Dorkster brings up an interesting point. As a female, some of the detailed extreme close-ups I feel are not my cup of tea but I also feel that is one of things that makes AW unique. AW likes to push the envelope of what is considered "porn". Besides some of these extreme close-ups can be very artistic. I have enjoyed some of the breasts and other areas. Dorkster, I think you are being rather judgemental about the site. Besides if you don't like the site, leave. No one is forcing you to stay a member. If you feel you aren't getting your money's worth then go elsewhere. I also agree with some of Giselle's recent comments that I think sometimes take things a little too seriously, it after all a "porn site".

[alexbee]

My "philosophy" with Abby Winters has always been, "Take what you like, and leave the rest". :):)

[Ferveo]

I like the close-ups. An eye or a belly-button in close-up is cute. No other site has those wonderful close-ups.
It's a brilliant mix, some for people with foot-fetisches, close-ups, clothed, stripping, it's all in the diversity.

[ausdun26]

I guess that's a matter of taste. Most of the members are happy with our content.

Anyway, with our +2900 sets, you can get +700 handful of pictures...

I'm curious what others have to say here.

Lxm

Of course it's a matter of taste! And I'm so satisfied with the content on AbbyWinters.com because of the possibilty to wiew so many different sets, with so many different possibilities! Check out "Top 20 lists". See how different it is. Check out "Public lists" and see all the nice sets put together like in Playboy, and at the list who are more like a gyn exam. You can get it all on AW. And I like it!

[ausdun26]

Anyway, one could also argue that the girls shouldn't even start off clothed, because we do have fully clothed shots that should then supposedly not belong on a nude site. Seems a little harsh to judge it that way, I reckon.

Immie! You are so right! (And thank you for showing me your beautiful body:p and shearing your thoughts with me in your videos). I love to see the girls clothed (page 1 on the set), because my fantasy most often include undressing "my girl". Thats why I'm unhappy AW chose to stop the "Dressing room". But I also enjoy the close-up pictures because on AW I dont feel you (or the other girls) are exploited and used in a humiliating way. So I accept the "full package", and choose what I like best.

[Sonnus88]

Extreme closeups should not rule out middling closups say from the wrist where the whole of the models beautiful hand is shown. Often we don't see this. Don't remove the extreme for those who like it but add some less extreme. Then as Alexbee says, we can select the ones we like.

[ausdun26]

Too large or too extreme? They are both in my lists! Downloaded to my pc, and now uploaded again. Its just beautiful, isn't it?

[dorkster]

You say that closeups lack context, but preceding shots in the series provide context (unless you have the memory of a goldfish).



I seldom look at multiple pics at the same time... and if I must do so in order to get context from the pic, it is almost assured I will not download or bother to keep that pic if I must download and look at 10 others just to get meaning from 1. Closeup pics are totally impersonal .

[Frans]

I seldom look at multiple pics at the same time... and if I must do so in order to get context from the pic, it is almost assured I will not download or bother to keep that pic if I must download and look at 10 others just to get meaning from 1. Closeup pics are totally impersonal .

Just skip the close-up pics and download the others?

[dorkster]

Just skip the close-up pics and download the others?

I'd love to. But like I said in my original comment, almost all the pics are shot from somewhat of a distance or too close... there is little inbetween . Certainly abbywinters can do a better job at providing these "close but complete" pics in most of its shoots/sets to satisfy everyone but they are so few and far between. :)
I suspect that the videos somewhat dictate what the pics will be .... hence their abscence.
Unfortunately for me too, I tend to dislike vids.

[Frans]

I suspect that the videos somewhat dictate what the pics will be .... hence their abscence.
Unfortunately for me too, I tend to dislike vids.

Ermm.. videos and stills are independent, they're done separately. It doesn't matter what video is shot to the stills photographer(s).

Like you I don't care for extreme close-ups, but other people do like 'm so I don't mind. I prefer the medium-range (model filling the picture) pics. Check out Tinneale's (http://www.abbywinters.com/main.php?page=profile&model=3250) shoot, lotsa not-to-close shots.

[sylvanna]

Shots that are too far away give a voyeuristic quality to the overall shoot. Because remember every single person on this site is a voyeur and these shots are a little reminder of the sensual beauty of the peeping tom mentality. Some of the sexiest shots can be taken when a person isn't aware that there is a camera (it can also add a deliciously dangerous quality to the images)
So for your own personal research get out the film 'Peeping Tom' from the 1970's and really analyse the purpose of voyeurs like yourself...just dont take it to that next level where the guy starts killing the beautiful women!

[immie]

dorkster, I am still somewhat perplexed at your claim that there is no "in between" when it comes to the distance from which a model's photo is taken. I mean, it's not like the only photos on Abby are a choice between the model being a speck in the distance, and then one of only her snatch. There are plenty of shots where the model fills the frame, or where it's from her belly button up, or whatever. And honestly, I can't see how you would consider the photos to have no point of reference, as when you view a model's shoot, I assume you get the whole page of thumbnails, which in my book do give you your point of reference, even if you choose not to look at all of them. Sure, you could argue that there are too many close-ups in terms of the ratio, and I'd even be inclined to agree with you there, but seriously? There are plenty of shots from various distances, as far as I can tell. Unless I misinterpret what you mean by an "in between" in terms of distance. Could you perhaps describe what your ideal distance is, that is, how much of the model is in the shot, how much of the shot is taken up by the model, etc?

sylvanna: Um-ah! ^_^; See, I hadn't even thought of the peeping Tom thing, I just like the look of a beautiful woman frolicking in natural surroundings. :-)

[dorkster]

There are plenty of shots where the model fills the frame, or where it's from her belly button up, or whatever. And honestly, I can't see how you would consider the photos to have no point of reference

Well of course I mean "revealing" model-filling shots .... but the closeups are usually the only revealing shots available in a set.
As for context, I am not going to keep a pic if I need to keep 10 others just to get context... I personally believe ALL pics ought to have a a face in them .... certainly most of them. Pics need to be personalized to distinguish them from other model pics.

P.S. It's funny, I just recently got an email from Abbywinters wondering if I was having any problems since I apparently have downloaded so little.

[Oldgrumpy]

I feel your Photo sets provide a fantasic selection that can be selected to fit each individual. Some time I will select a model in a tight pair of jeans in a fantastic body pose and then other I relish a glorious nipple shot, And a closeup of a flowing vagina is sinsational. Jilly standing streaching into the air in all her glory is probably my most favorite, But i will keep looking for that one that is more sensational.

[immie]

Okay, I think I might be finally understanding what your deal here is, dorkster. So what you're saying is that you want the explicits to be full-body shots, rather than going from a nude or open-leg full body to a close-up explicit? Well, I suppose that's a matter of taste, but I do get where you're coming from here. That's a bit more specific than I realised. I don't know, I guess Abby doesn't have that many of that specific kind. Could this be another case of maintaining a point of difference in the porn industry? I must admit that in this case, I actually kind of approve of it, sorry to say, dorkster. And I think based on such a small detail, it's pretty harsh to call these photo shoots very poor. But hey, take it up with the powers that be, perhaps Abbyland can do something to cater to your specific taste a little more... it seems like a simple enough thing.

[travelguy]

ausdun26

which girls are those photos of?

They are amazing?

[Frans]

which girls are those photos of?
They are amazing?

First one is Leisl's solo shoot, pic 129 (http://abbywinters.com/main.php?page=image&index=128&shoot=8051), second one is Amy J's redux, pic 89 (http://abbywinters.com/main.php?page=image&index=88&shoot=7811)

Enjoy!

[dorkster]

I don't know, I guess Abby doesn't have that many of that specific kind.

It's not like I am asking that the closeups be eliminated; but a closeup without a model seems somewhat useless and certainly not worth saving unless one wants to save entire sets. I'd much rather chose to save representative pics for each set. What I am asking to include (1 or 2 pics in an enitre set) would cover the bill and certainly does not seem a big deal.
Call me weird or pervy maybe, but I am surprised more people don't share my view on these sets in the need to have more complete pics/sets.

[intalam]

I haven't read through all the posts, just the first few.

I like a mix of closeups *and* full shots of the model/s, so I can see them standing or sitting normally. I especially like to see their faces and boobs on the same shot, with the boobs hanging normally, not with the model lying down or in some sort of Twister contortion.

To save space at home I've been chucking out some mags, and I've been annoyed at how many closeups of model/s there are in them, with their bodies twisted into all sorts of positions and their faces not clearly visible. They are the ones I almost always chuck.

By all means have some closeups, I love them, but I *really* want to see some pics of the model/s in a relaxed setting with their faces towards the camera and boobs not distorted by being held or because the model is lying flat.

[lzimbu]

Sort of in reply to dorkster's topic

Having just installed the Win7 RC, I noticed that cooliris picked up on on some of the shots on the News page.

To my :D

But then nothing else.. to my :C

Anyhow, it was thrilling for a sec to consider that AbbyWinters was going to have support for the cooliris IE plugin.

Then as I was about to post about it I noticed Dorkster's thread. Or lambaste.. I have to agree with him (not the quality but the size, far too few XL sets, no XXL sets :P).. the great majority of imagesets do run the gammut between scenery, model, anatomy. Which I like. But it's hard to find an appreciation for the imagesets unless you can open them up like a flip book and really deep probe them (without commiting to the full XL imageset download when one is provided).

Instead cooliris just gives you an at a glance veiw of all of the pictures thumbs, which you can full size without any effort.

There are more than couple of sites that support it, Facebook at least, google-youtube, flicker and many more.

http://developer.cooliris.com/?p=embed

Another aspect of cooliris is that it isn't limited to pictures. The video sets here on AbbyWinters could be converted into a format that cooliris can play on like Youtube.

[chiefbrody]

I am thinking some of the photo shoots now,are at a better standard than of recent years,i m going on the theory that giselle's last shoot was definitely her best,now i m thinking that a Violet,em and Melita shoot (love these three girls,but always thought,for one reason or another,they solo shoots were below par) would bemefit,so please take note.;)

[wolfgangbuster29]

My goodness this thread turned out to be something of a sensation in a hurry.:D

Hi there, dorkster. I'm glad you took a moment to voice your views here in our forum.

I wanna say from the start though, that I believe that it would behoove you to relax a moment, you just got here & your membership is monthlong, which will give you plenty time to browse around the enormous plethora of picture and vid sets done by our lovely models. I think if you give yourself a more lesurely self-tour of the site you are bound to encounter many, many sets that will contain the contexts that you will find enjoyable.

Frankly I wonder how the heck AW does it, the models just keep coming in and looking better than ever and the variety here is undoubtedly the broadest I have found anywhere.:)

So stick around, willya? and give it a week if not two and I strongly believe that in a while you will find yourself right at home with many of our models and the rest of us members. Where else can you not only admire the models but you can strike up conversation with them too? Beats my two-pair but I find all I'll ever look for or need here on AW & I'm a happy camper.

[wolfgangbuster29]

Dorkster: Perhaps you can help us out by being here; you seem to have a good descriptive eye for things that represent where there might be room for improvement here at AW and I'm with you that while no business or service is perfect, the business with, based on your opinion, the issues that you see might not be fully prevvy to where any of these issues you would see might be until someone such as you or I points them out, which in my opinion, you were inclined to do by means of starting this thread. It's feedback, I perceive it as such, and I see you mean no harm by providing your feedback. Otherwise how would anyone know something might need improvement and in what suggested way if nobody said anything?

So in essence I (it seems here I'm the only one so far,) stand behind and appreciatethe feedback you share with us in the forums and I think it's only fair that you are allowed your say just as well as anyone else here. The main objective though, is to keep it civil and polite, which you have been able to do so far, that's an indication to me that you took a moment to review the rules page of the forum and that by itsself is appreciated and is a big plus for you.

You see how I play, everyone? Alot more can be accomplished with sugar that ever could be with vineagar.

[briggfair]

Sensible answers, Wolfgang, but did you note that dorkster's postings are about 9 months old?

[wolfgangbuster29]

Well-noted right off the bat but I also address the responses that came as the result. It's especially pertinent to and with consideraton for the many newbies who have recently joined us, as they shouldn't need to have a reason to be apprehensive to offer feedback within our forum or on the feedback page of our site.

[RichardtheSecond]

I don't share dorkster's opinion in the least. I am very happy with the quality here!

[wolfgangbuster29]

Dorkster's got a right to his, though.

[Giselle]

...did you note that dorkster's postings are about 9 months old?

Dragging up negative from the past doesn't seem very constructive and is kinda depressing to read :(

[Frans]

Dragging up negative from the past doesn't seem very constructive and is kinda depressing to read

Look at the bright side, the last negative post in this thread is pretty old :)

[wolfgangbuster29]

I also think mission-accomplished in that we've managed to turn it all around into a positive.

[chiefbrody]

I only reopened the thread,so lesley would say something ;)

[eduardodt]

I´ll say something... is it an art website or a spicy one... if a spcy one and since context can be achieved gracefully in a set... any set... the concern is not valid... sexy reaches ultra sexy here ...