"Lovely Lezzies" list? What are the criteria?

[PlughPlover]

I don't want to start the whole "are they bi" issue up again, but I'm a bit confused. As "Lovely Lezzies" is a public rather than a personal list, I assume that means it's being maintained by the AW staff. There doesn't seem to be any commentary, so what are the criteria for inclusion? Are these models who are fully lesbian, i.e. no boys, never, nohow, no way?

Personally, I'm all in favor of more real-life couples because I think the chemistry comes through; and as AW doesn't do boy-girl shoots any more, that necessarily means lesbian couples. So I'm naturally curious...

[silkenshadow]

PlughPlover, why does it matter what the sexual orientation of a certain model is?? I am a lesbian myself and enjoy what these models have to offer and do not judge one better than the next because they are bi. I don't this topic is really that appropriate.

[Frans]

As "Lovely Lezzies" is a public rather than a personal list, I assume that means it's being maintained by the AW staff.

Wrong. Please read our List FAQ, esp. the first part which explains the three (not two) types of lists there are.

ALL site-supported (staff maintained) lists can be found under the Lists menu, the three items starting with 'Site' shows you the relevant site-supported lists. All other public lists are the responsibility of whomever created the list.

[cleo]

PlughPlover, why does it matter what the sexual orientation of a certain model is?? I am a lesbian myself and enjoy what these models have to offer and do not judge one better than the next because they are bi. I don't this topic is really that appropriate.

i think he's justified since he THOUGHT the list was maintained by staff he just wanted to know if the title was acurate. its not maintained by staff so it doesnt HAVE to be acurate and your problem should be with the person who made the list

[PlughPlover]

PlughPlover, why does it matter what the sexual orientation of a certain model is?? I am a lesbian myself and enjoy what these models have to offer and do not judge one better than the next because they are bi. I don't this topic is really that appropriate.

I don't judge one better than the next. As I already explained to you, I'm looking for real, romantically-involved couples and -- on a site that doesn't do het sex any more -- I might find them on a list labeled "lesbians." If there were a list labeled "real couples," I wouldn't have asked.

My more politically vociferous lesbian friends in San Francisco would definitely prefer to see 100% lesbians rather than bi girls or essentially-straight girls having sex with other essentially-straight girls for the sake of the modeling fee. The idea of sex with men turns their stomachs. I'm not among them, but you have to admit that there are reasons for asking.

[cleo]

i domt see the difference in lesbians having sex with girls compared to bi girls? i;d like to think i love women and sleep with women with as much enthusiasm as a lesbian...i just also love men.

[silkenshadow]

Plugh, many girls have reasons for being with another girl on this site, but to do it just for the fee I don't think is one of them. The staff at AW has rigorous screening process, just ask Sue-Ann she helps with it. I want to apologize if my last post sounded too harsh, but I think a model's preference is not something for any of us to judge, perhaps considering going to some of their threads and talking to them about it.

[sue-ann]

... prefer to see 100% lesbians rather than bi girls or essentially-straight girls having sex with other essentially-straight girls for the sake of the modeling fee.

That's not cool. I really hope you don't believe that either.

On the bright side:
In the not-too-distant future I'm looking forward to more real heterosexual couples coming through the abbywinters.com door...ooh can't wait---I'll really need my own office then (mmm, lunchtime wanking)...

And Silky's right, once it's established over a series of phone calls, interviews and more phone calls that there's some personal hesitation but underlying desperation for cash- no matter how hot she is we wont shoot her.

I also think we're pretty good at picking up a blase attitude...only a couple of slips come to mind...

Anyways, I love you Plugh,so don't go anywhere bc Cleo and Fotina t3 is going live in ..er...15 hours

Sue-ann

[PlughPlover]

Nope, I have to say I haven't seen anybody who seemed uncomfortable to do the GG content, whatever her supposed orientation.

However, I can definitely tell the difference between a pair who met recently and a pair who are partners. Clearly I should have never mentioned the word "lesbian," because that distracted people from the real issue. I'm looking for couples, full stop. Hetero, homo, or bio, it doesn't matter.

Cleo, the reason you can't see the difference is that you haven't politicized your sex life. Some folks have. To them, going to bed is a political act, and there are fine shades of meaning. Give me time and I'll find you a woman who won't sleep with anybody but committed Marxists.

Sue-Ann, that is a very exciting hint you've just dropped, but I wasn't going anywhere anyway. Abbywinters still has the best content around, period.

And I still think having the chessboard at the adult show was a stroke of utter, mind-boggling, jaw-dropping genius. Nobody but AW would have thought of that.

[cleo]

I wish i could find a female partner to do a shoot with. I think having a real life partner do a shoot would be sooo different. but then I also like the newness and exploration of doing a shoot with someone you arent in complete sexual rythm with.

really I just want a girlfriend

[silkenshadow]

Holds up my hand to Cleo's girlfriend and wonders if she will pick me. I too, have been feeling this as of late and am going to do something about it. KISSES

[Frans]

really I just want a girlfriend

Go out and get one? Prolly to simple but by all means follow your dreams and desires. Didn't you meet a nice girl on the camping weekend?

[Seasider]

Nope, I have to say I haven't seen anybody who seemed uncomfortable to do the GG content, whatever her supposed orientation.

However, I can definitely tell the difference between a pair who met recently and a pair who are partners. Clearly I should have never mentioned the word "lesbian," because that distracted people from the real issue. I'm looking for couples, full stop. Hetero, homo, or bio, it doesn't matter.

Cleo, the reason you can't see the difference is that you haven't politicized your sex life. Some folks have. To them, going to bed is a political act, and there are fine shades of meaning. Give me time and I'll find you a woman who won't sleep with anybody but committed Marxists.

Sue-Ann, that is a very exciting hint you've just dropped, but I wasn't going anywhere anyway. Abbywinters still has the best content around, period.

And I still think having the chessboard at the adult show was a stroke of utter, mind-boggling, jaw-dropping genius. Nobody but AW would have thought of that.

Oh right, I see the distinction now- I have to confess I sometimes don't have much time for people who politicize their sexuality to that extent. I remember a college acquaintance who was very involved in student politics and was almost incapable of even introducing herself without referring to the fact she was gay ('Hello I'm XXXX and I'm a lesbian....') I always got the impression that for her, her sexuality was almost something to put on her CV in order to help establish her political credentials rather than something to take pleasure from. More than one of my friends suspected that she was essentially-straight but playing the part because she thought it would be good for her image politically.....

I can certainly see why you'd want to see someone who is genuinely lesbian or bi in a G-G scene, rather than someone who clearly isn't but is just going through the motions for the sake of the modelling fee, something that thankfully, I don't think we'll ever see here at AW.


...and if nothing else, this thread is going to send me to work with one image that's going to stick in my mind all day- Sue-Ann's favoured lunchtime activity at work...Sue-Ann, you can share my office whenever you like....

[Indianaaw]

Im with cleo i dont think it really matters whether a girl is 100% lesbian or bi. Im bi and i do enjoy sex with both sexs. They both have diff pros and cons. I enjoy them equally and even though ive choosen a male to be my husband i have previously had girlfriends and im comfortable with both. I still have sex with girls even though im with my partner coz i enjoy both so much and he obviously doesnt have any probs with me and another girl I think 100% lesbians may be better at sex then someone who is first time with a girl. And i think it would be really nice to see some real couples moddeling for AW coz i know its sometimes hard to get each other off because your not experience with each other. So im all for real gg couples

[carly_t]

i think even bi or straight girls still have that something inside...no matter what...that says a woman is beautiful and ATLEAST think about it...its natural...men and women are attracted to women....we're just HOT!

[PlughPlover]

i think even bi or straight girls still have that something inside...no matter what...that says a woman is beautiful and ATLEAST think about it...its natural...men and women are attracted to women....we're just HOT!

That is very true. In the 60's-80's feminists had to work really hard to get people to see women as whole people and not just as sex symbols, and to take women seriously in the workplace and politics. I'm all for that. But in spite of that, I think women's bodies are "about" sex somehow -- the image of a naked woman just says "sex" in a way that a naked man doesn't, and both sexes know it.

When I see the female Olympic athletes in their tight clothing I try to concentrate on their training, their endurance, their skill, their strength... but I can't help thinking that I bet they could give somebody one hell of a seeing-to in bed.

[chiefbrody]

That's not cool. I really hope you don't believe that either.
On the bright side:
In the not-too-distant future I'm looking forward to more real heterosexual couples coming through the abbywinters.com door...ooh can't wait--
Sue-ann

I believe it,please tell me this is a joke or i'm going to have nightmares tonight
if this does happen i'm gone,and theres nowhere else to go because everyone else does these shoots, the addition of men would just make the site into a tacky seedy old porn site however they are pretended to be portrayed.

[sue-ann]

...you don't have to subscribe to that site if you don't want to...

[cleo]

I believe it,please tell me this is a joke or i'm going to have nightmares tonight
if this does happen i'm gone,and theres nowhere else to go because everyone else does these shoots, the addition of men would just make the site into a tacky seedy old porn site however they are pretended to be portrayed.

you beleive what?....im confused...coz sue ann said "you dont beleive that" to plughplovers comment about girls pretending to be into girls to do gg shoots to get money...surely you dont beleieve that???? if they did...they wouldnt get more than one shoot. it shows when you're not genuinely into girls...and it looks bad...and if you look disinterested and bad...you dont get anymore work.


Real couples a false portrayal...why are you being so cynical??? if you're watching two people who love each other having sex together...thats not tacky or seedy...thats real passion.

like sue ann said...it'd be another separate site...you could easily not be a member of

[chiefbrody]

But will it be here in my face,because I subscribe to all sites since the split if I didn't subscribe to IM,I'ed still be seeing it and hearing about it every time I come to the site,and you've just confimed it is happening which to me is a nightmare,
new double IM john p and roger s,it's vile and they can come to the boards and be our buds,hi john p I really enjoyed the way you ***** over roger s,it's bloody nightmare.
If I leave here there is NOWHERE else to go ,please don't do it.

[chiefbrody]

like sue ann said...it'd be another separate site...you could easily not be a member of

It would have to be a whole new seperate site,I dont want to see men,it's why i'm here and only here.

[cleo]

But will it be here in my face,because I subscribe to all sites since the split if I didn't subscribe to IM,I'ed still be seeing it and hearing about it every time I come to the site,and you've just confimed it is happening which to me is a nightmare,
new double IM john p and roger s,it's vile and they can come to the boards and be our buds,hi john p I really enjoyed the way you ***** over roger s,it's bloody nightmare.
If I leave here there is NOWHERE else to go ,please don't do it.

HETROsexual couple....BG stuff...sue ann said nothing about BB stuff....an i dont think its confirmed...i for one havent heard anything...i'm just saying if it were to happened, it neednt be the end of the world.

[chiefbrody]

It is a big deal for me sweety,so lets leave it at that.

[cleo]

understood...and this is unrelated to the topic of the thread. However, I doubt you have to fear seeing jJohn p jizzing all over rodney s...thats not whats being suggested here.

[Chico_Hamilton]

understood...and this is unrelated to the topic of the thread. However, I doubt you have to fear seeing jJohn p jizzing all over rodney s...thats not whats being suggested here.

He's a bit of a goer that John P, he was with Roger S five minutes ago!

Sorry Cleo, couldn't resist!

[cleo]

shuddup...roger...rodney...same diff

[chiefbrody]

He's a bit of a goer that John P, he was with Roger S five minutes ago!

Yep so boyski4 was right,john P is proof that the site should ...space out shoots with same models

[Frans]

But will it be here in my face,because I subscribe to all sites since the split if I didn't subscribe to IM,I'ed still be seeing it and hearing about it every time I come to the site

No you wouldn't, myAW: set "Don't tempt me!" to "only show what I have access to". This assumes you wouldn't subscribe to a possible unconfirmed not-yet-existing b/g site.

The b/b reference reminds of a discussion/thread many years ago about Abby wanting to create a 'barrywinters.com' site