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    Subcontracting shoots in Oz

    Just a suggestion, but have you thought about buying in shoots from some of AW's former photographers and videographers that are still in Oz? Michelle has started shooting some former AW models (Ren, Estella Z, Keilyn) in Australia for ATK, and it occurred to me that if she can shoot for ATK, surely she can shoot for AW. And what about Toby and Jacki and some of the others who are still here in Oz or have come back here?

    I know that when you had the shoot of Caramel, it was shot in Russia by her boyfriend, and this would really just be a very similar thing.

    It would be a great way of seeing more Australian girls in Australian settings, and the shoots would definitely be in the AW style.

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    I know I asked a similar question after Caramel S and it was suggested that they still may have the "legal" issues that caused AW to leave Oz in the first place.

    But would be nice to see some of the Aussie AW girls again, but doesn't look likely unfortunitly.

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    I suppose that may be it, but I don't understand. Michelle Flynn, former AW photographer and videographer, is shooting Keilyn, Estella and Ren, former AW models, in solo and masturbation shoots, not completely in the AW style but with distinct echoes of it, and they are being shown on ATK Hairy. ATK is obviously buying her shoots, so I don't really understand why Abby Winters can't buy some of them as well.

    ATK shoots all have explicit posing (spreads). AW, I'm glad to say, has nude only as its minimum level. It ought to be easier to get Australian shoots of Australian models on this site than on ATK.

    Anyway, it was just a suggestion for regaining some of the Australian flavour of the site. It's really only there in the archives now, sadly. And it could also be a way of getting some more new models. In its heyday there were about four new models every week on AW, and about half of those were one shoot wonders who were doing it for a dare and a laugh as much as anything else. AW is now on one new model a week, and many of those are not newcomers to nude modelling, just newcomers to AW.

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    I believe it was the G/G shoots produced in Australia as DVD's... But this is where it never made sense why as you mentioned other sites could produce very similar content with no problems, it did seem a bit of a witch hunt against AW or Garion, as the case may be. But I gather part of the "plea agreement" or understanding may be a better term was that AW was going to pack up shop and move out of Australia. Now if they were getting shoot still made in Australia then that may go against that understanding. ??? maybe...
    Now I'm not 100% certain about my facts here but from reading the news articles and what has been mentioned on this site it is something like that. So unfair as I would love to have more Keilyn, Ren,Estella Z and other AW models doing a redux for AW.

    But we have been blessed with some wonderful models since the move and now has an international flavour to the site... But with Edie.. Kylie H... Laura P... Eliza S... Jodhi... Scarlet... Chloe B & Alexis V to name a few, have all had semi recent shoots at AW keeping the Aussie twist alive.

    Not sure how many old models would still be willing to shoot for any internet site now... as time has moved on and even in the Aussie days an AW models interest and time span only last a shortish time 2 or 3 years max. I think you will find that many of the old AW models that are still modelling would now be covered under a "semi professional or professional tag" by your previously mentioned criteria.

    Good to see you back on the boards again Jackson... always interesting to chat.

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    Well they did roll out a test run where you could buy credits to shoots from other sites, including ATK shoots. Maybe this will eventually include shoots done by Michelle featuring Australian models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvChloesBoobs View Post
    Well they did roll out a test run where you could buy credits to shoots from other sites, including ATK shoots. Maybe this will eventually include shoots done by Michelle featuring Australian models.
    Interesting idea.... as far as the actual trouble itself, it was mostly about the DVDs I think. I'm pretty sure GOW produces 'harder' shoots (with much more 'objectionable content' as aussie law defines it). Then again, I'm happy to have aussies visit this little country

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    Yes, I thought the problem was with the DVDs, and GOW certainly does produce harder-core shoots than AW. It's a much more raunchy style generally and I don't like it at all.

    You're right, Pinky, of the three former AW models that I mentioned certainly Ren and Keilyn would now be regarded as professional models, or perhaps porn industry professionals generally is a better way to put it. I'm not sure about Estella, who appears on ATK under the name Mona; I think she may be less involved than the others. They've all done camshows on ATK, but so far no girl-girl (or girl-boy).

    The ideal really would be to get more new models from Oz, try and recapture some of the old spirit of girls doing something new for a lark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    • Like the idea of shoots being down outside of AWHQ, Garion had asked the question on twitter a while ago. Does this mean that we maybe getting some shoots from Melbourne?? I know there is a number of highly qualified photographers/videographers and model there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
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    Shooting in Melbourne- We would love to do this, but given some of the legal reasons that caused us to have to leave Australia, it is complicated and we need to be sure we are acting responsibly, to not to put a photographer or videographer or model in harms way or be breaching any laws. But it is something we are considering to do other parts of the world.
    Rereading this gives me a little more hope... I hope that either the Aussie photographers/ videographers is doing the due diligence so we may see some of our fav Aussie models appear back on AW.

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    Originally Posted by Frankie
    Hi guys,

    @mrpinkeyes
    Shooting in Melbourne- We would love to do this, but given some of the legal reasons that caused us to have to leave Australia, it is complicated and we need to be sure we are acting responsibly, to not to put a photographer or videographer or model in harms way or be breaching any laws. But it is something we are considering to do other parts of the world.
    Well.... YAY... it does seem we are back doing shoots in Australia.... Wonder what had changed since "Frankie's" previous comments....
    Does seem very strange to me though that they have the amazing talents of Michelle Flynn down there and they go back in history to elvaar... No offence to elvaar.. he did a wonderful job (not hard with such a photogenic and lovely model) but he is no Michelle Flynn...

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    We're looking for contract shooters who meet our needs, want to work with us, and do a good job.

    Not everyone meets those requirements, but we work with those who do. We get a lot of enquiries from contract shooters, but most of them do not pan out for a variety of reasons - it's an extremely demanding job (mentally and physically), we have very high standards, the work does not pay as well as other work might.

    We have come to the conclusion that it's the role of the shooter to comply with laws in their jurisdiction. We make this extremely clear to them, but if they want to run the risk, it's their choice.

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    Could you tell us who is shooting where?
    It would be good to have news about the shooters (same as the behind the scenes from the Amsterdam crew).

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    Garion... Not that its any of my business... Does that mean that the models are contracted to the shooter not to AW? I gather this is what happens for other sites, But AW do things differently...
    redlabka... rumour has it Carmina may well be, or could be or should be one of these AW shooters. Who I would love to see her shoot one of hers and Claudia's friend... Eris

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    Doesn't she look like Jette in this picture..??
    Last edited by mrpinkeyes; 24th April 2013 at 08:40 AM. Reason: tamed it down... who AW chooses as shooter is nothing to do with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlabka View Post
    Could you tell us who is shooting where?
    It would be good to have news about the shooters (same as the behind the scenes from the Amsterdam crew).
    A quick view of stills/video-by tags combined with forum threads, gives us;

    Mia M @ Berlin, Germany
    Ursula F @ Barcelona, Spain
    Elvaar @ VIC/Australia

    The other not-Amsterdam-based-shooters shot one specific model,
    Walter (boyfriend?-Grisel)
    Marc (boyfriend?-Kimberly), prolly USA
    Vlad (boyfriend-Caramel S), Russia

    Carmina could start shooting in Madrid, it's different enough from Barcelona (which people in esp. Barcelona love to inform you about :-)

    p.s. yes Pinky, Eris does look a little bit like Jetty in that pic but the color is quite a bit off/uneven ? Is that pic enlarged ?

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    Frans... Think it must have been a phone pic, that she posted on twitter...

    and probably in bad lighting.... She doesn't look like Jette in any of the better ones so won't post an alternative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Garion... Not that its any of my business... Does that mean that the models are contracted to the shooter not to AW?
    I am not really sure what you mean, but the models first contact is generally with us, and we ask contract shooters to send mores to us, so we can introduce them to the project, and assess their suitability and interest. Then, Misha will schedule a shoot with the shooter and model (same as she does for shoots here in Amsterdam). We pay the model the day of the shoot, and the shooter gets paid after they submit their shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    I am not really sure what you mean, but the models first contact is generally with us, and we ask contract shooters to send mores to us, so we can introduce them to the project, and assess their suitability and interest. Then, Misha will schedule a shoot with the shooter and model (same as she does for shoots here in Amsterdam). We pay the model the day of the shoot, and the shooter gets paid after they submit their shoot.
    You answered the question I was trying to ask... Thanks....

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    G'day everyone.

    I'm a photographer based on the gorgeous Gold Coast in Queensland, Australia. I'm in communications with Abby Winters management about applying to be a contract photographer here in Australia. I've got a lot of work ahead of me if I'm to be successful in my application, as Abby Winters has a VERY rigorous assessment process (which I am very impressed by). Recently I've been doing a little bit of work for a semi "DIY" alternative model site (GGs) but am very keen to work with a more professional, values-driven company, like AW.

    My fiance is in the process of applying to become an Abby Winters model so I've seen the details of that process unfolding - and was very impressed with the professionalism demonstrated through that process, and in fact it was seeing the professionalism in how that process is conducted and the respect afforded the models that made me interested in working for AW.

    I've just spent 10 years in the national security sector and am just transitioning into "civilian" photography. If you are interested I have a couple of online portfolios, small but growing:

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    Anyhow - for all those keen for more Aussie shoots - I hope to be able to help at some point down the track. I look forward to moving through AW's assessment process, and then if successful, going through what Garion has indicated would be a fantastic learning process to adjust to the AW style and idiom. It will be a fairly lengthy process but will I am sure be worth for the experience it whether I'm successful or not. Wish me luck?

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    There has been many shoots made by Zeo.
    Who is he/she? Where are these shoots done?

    It would be interesting to have more informations about the shooters.
    I like to know that the models are in good hands.

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    Zeo is based in South America, all the shoots he produces are of South American models.

    The models are definitely in good hands - shooters must comply with our Models Charter, and we check in with models to see how they found their Contract Shooter.

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