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    cam with AW models

    a few years ago, we trialled a webcam plugin from a third party provider - they give us their cam feeds, and we get a split of the revenue. It made some money, but the models on the cams were not very in-line with the abbywinters.com models (although, four cam models had done AW shoots). We stopped this trial after a few months.

    We've been wanting to get back in to cams, but doing it our way, with our models. The cams providers refuse to licence us their technology for this (whihc has always seemed weird to me), so we have developed our own. We're releasing it in beta mode, and it's very basic (what we call internally a "minimum viable product"). We want to see what you think of it, then over time, we'll improve it.

    The basic version (stage 1) will have a model in a "room", where members can chat with her (like in an instant message window), watch her video stream, and hear her. She can see the chat feed, what people are typing. We don't have one-on-one "private rooms" yet (we likely will int he future), where members pay-per-minute to be with a model. The model gets a larger share of the money paid, and we get the remainder (this is our plan - we have not decided fully yet).

    Stage 1 will be free - for now - for members who meet some criteria:


    • Joined on a 3, 6 or 12 month subscription
    • Joined on a monthly rebilling subscription and rebilled at leaset once (that is, joined, and rebilled)
    • A Pay-per-scene user who has purchased at least 10 scenes


    This covers a huge majority of our customer base. Those it does not cover, will not have access to cams, until they do meet the criteria. We expect to have a cam session for one hour a week initially.

    We have tested the camming software we have made extensively, but we have no idea how it'll work in the real-world, so we'll be doing some basic tests first, perhaps just chatting with me (clothes on, promise!). Once we're confident it's working well, we'll trial it with a model. We have some leads on models who are interested, and I am sure you will not be disappointed.

    So, that's an overview. Here's the place to discuss it!

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    Love the idea, and can think of a number of models that would be on my wish list to appear.
    One questions, (well for now) if you are planning initially trial to be on for 1 hour a week what time zone would you be aiming for??

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    Hi Garion...I doubt very much that i will be using the cams. For me, your wonderful site as it stands now, provides me with sufficient entertainment...thank you for that.

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    pinky, We need to find a timezone that suits both the model and a sizeable customer base. It's difficult, and I expect both parties may have to make compromises. :/

    tjsunray, why are you so sure you'd not use the cams?

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    How will paying work when the "stage 1" has been done?
    Seeing a model asking for money (or tokens or whatever...) isn't sexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post

    tjsunray, why are you so sure you'd not use the cams?
    Hi Garion...nothing to do with the concept or incorporating cams into the site, i assure you. I wish i could give you a more precise answer but it seems my interest in porn generally has been on the decline lately. Maybe due to having reached my middle years or a bout with Type 2 diabetes or just plain " burn out ". Whatever the reason for the time being ( things may still change in the future, hopefully ) but as it stands now ( no pun intended ) for the time being i still enjoy visiting the site and downloading the occasional video.

    Thank you again, for this wonderful site and keep up the good work...

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    Step 1 is free for currently subscribed members meeting those specs I'll guess. I'm wondering about pay-per-shoot members though, they get cam access for live or something? 'cos those accounts don't expire.

    Timezones/scheduling will be the biggest hurdle I think. I never do/use cam-sites, mainly because I prefer to download vids and download them when I want to. Sending girls presents is fun though, I can vouch for that. Will something like that be somehow included eventually ? Camming just isn't for me, not my style I suppose.. dunno.

    Oh Renae D tried camming herself a bit, read here. I know other models would like to cam though, so everybody's different I guess ;-) (I'm sure I've heard Kylie H mention it once or twice, heh).

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    redlabka, at Stage 1 launch, we'll pay the models. If you "qualify" for having access to cams, you'll access cams and there'll be no requrement to pay (or ability to tip).

    In Stage 2, payment will be likely. probvably similar to the pay-per-scene system some customers enjoy now, where you'll have an "e-wallet" that you top up, and when you "take" a model to a private room, your credit will be wound down. If it gets too low, you'd need to top it up (likely a simple two-click process). I agree it's not at all sexy when models ask for money on other cam sites, or drop not-so-subtle hints. That's definitely not how we'll roll. I promise our models won't ever be texting on their mobile phones, either.

    tjsunray, I was disgnosed with diabetes recently as well! Ain't life grand? I hope you drop in at least once to check it out, but of course there's no requirement. We'll be publicising it heavily on the site a few hours before the session, and during it, to ensure no one misses out.

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    Ohhh, this sounds like an interesting concept. I look forward to seeing how it's done I love cams!

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    What a great news! I know I've mentioned my interest in webcaming already somewhen during the past. But just in case it was forgotten - I'd be happy to join the web cam girl AW crew... *thumbsup*

    Gretchen

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    what great news ...
    Love Sabrina

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    Frans redirected me here (wow, perfect timing!) I just tried out camming briefly and was thinking, wish I could do this for a site more in line with my values. Just bought an HD webcam, so I'd be ready to go, let me know if you'd be interested.

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    Although I may have said it before sometime in regards to this sort of thing, it's worth saying again. Frankly and for my personal tastes the concept of camming with the models wouldn't really be my cup of tea. I much more prefer the concept of hanging out with the models and other members here in the Forums because, in context, I perceive the concept of the Forums is much truer to the concept of mingling with AW's fine models as the real people they truly are, and not so much a mere object of one's sexual desires, which is the way I would perceive the concept of camming.

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    Why I'm not interested

    1. It's a timing problem. When I need porn, I call it up. This usually happens after a sexual dry spell, or after I've been concentrating on some monster project for hours on end. Or if the day of the week ends in "y".
    2. Even if I had all the time in the world, I have no interest in setting my watch to visit a site at a specific time. Partially because I'm busy, but also because it feels desperate to me, as if I've moved from smoking bummed cigarettes in clubs to buying packs at the store.
    3. The interaction style is too close for my liking. I want to keep my porn at arm's length. The forums are the closest I've ever been to a model/sex worker.
    4. My reluctance says a lot, especially given that Gretchen and Renae (who are outrageously sexy, smart, and fun to talk to) are interested in the project. OK, that's not a reason...

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    I'm thinking that I shouldn't reply to this thread as I have no interest in viewing the beautiful ladies here....either through their photo shoots, or through a webcam setup. I decided to reply, only because I think a lot of members might hold the same thoughts as I do. It's one thing to view a model's photo shoots, but to see them on a live webcam is totally different. Sure, to some, seeing a beautiful woman live on their computers doing naughty things, or maybe just chatting with the members, could be fun, but the thing is, well, it seems to cheapen the site for some reason. I don't know why I feel that way, but it comes across to me as one of those sites that advertise, "See our girls, live, do naughty things!" To me, this isn't what AW is about.....AW is about the models and the excellent photography that the photographers create. The outstanding photography and the beautiful, "girl next door models" are what sets AW apart from the other sites, and to add some type of live feed to the members would just diminish this aspect of the site.

    Again, I guess I'm not one to judge anything since I don't view the models photo shoots..... I just read the forums. If AW decided to set up some type of live feed for some of the models, I myself would never use it....I mean, I don't look at any of the models photo shoots anyway, so why would I want to view a live feed from them?....not to mention that I wouldn't be able to tell one model from the next.

    To the ladies out there, I mean no disrespect for you, it's just that I am burnt out from porn, so I no longer have any desire to view it. You are all beautiful ladies (judging this from your avatars), so it's nothing personal, I just have no desire to look at porn anymore.....and yes, a person can get burnt out from porn. After a while, all of the porn seems to look the same, so you lose interest in it. It's kinda like eating steak every day. For a while, it seems great, but after a while, you no longer want steak.....you'd prefer to eat something else. As good as steak tastes, you eventually want to eat something different.

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    All AWgirls are pretty so it will be good watching them in live. But watch Gretchen in live for chat or everythingelse will be a dream comes true.

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    It is always heart warming reading the way abbywinters members conduct themselves in this kind of debate - I really do have to pinch myself some days to make sure I am not dreaming. Finding myself working in amongst such a respectful community is just wonderful and it is so much easier to consider other peoples points of view when they differ from your own if they are voiced in such a calm and respectful way as some of you have done.

    I agree that the normal webcam, model - viewer set up would not fit well with abbywinters, a lot of the stuff I have seen on other big cam sites is very fake and it is all driving towards money and orgasms which while both are great things are not really what abbywinters aims to do - although yes both things do sometimes pop up!

    When we had our brief podcast I really enjoyed having time to just talk with some of the abbywinters woman as we have such an intelligent set of woman work from us from so many different backgrounds, they always have something interesting to add and it would be lovely if cams was a way to allow more of you to share in that experience that I loved so much - to ask your questions and to hear the answer rather than reading it on the boards.

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    I would like to see it more like a live AW boards, where we get to chat with the models and learn more about their personalities, like we do here on the boards and for this reason I would be keen to see it up and running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    I would like to see it more like a live AW boards, where we get to chat with the models and learn more about their personalities, like we do here on the boards and for this reason I would be keen to see it up and running.
    Yeah, something like that where, if and when a model chooses, can log in to appear live on camera here in the Forums, and the general rules of conduct will be the same with the cams here as everything else is. Just chattin,' associatin' and minglin' as we usually do in text here in these boards. Except there would be the additional option of the cameras for the models if they wish to take up on that option and there would be no extra charge for the addition of the live cams feature in our Forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post

    tjsunray, I was disgnosed with diabetes recently as well! Ain't life grand?
    Garion....you too tjsunray....please do yourself a favor and join the diabetes forums (it's free) and you will learn what you REALLY need to do to control your diabetes. (It's at http:/www.diabetesforums.com ) I have been a member there for a little over 5 years, and you will learn more there about diabetes, than you will from any doctor.

    I have been a type 2 diabetic for more than 10 years, and it's a well known fact amongst diabetics of all types, that you need to eat a low carb/high fat diet.....the exact opposite of what most doctors will tell you. Ideally, you should eat less than 50 carbs a day.(I do) You need to avoid bread, pasta, potatoes of any sort, sweets, and anything that is breaded. Stay away from high carb fruits like bananas as they will spike your BG (blood glucose) levels.

    You need to eat to your meter.....that means that if you have a BG meter, test your blood before you eat a meal, then two hours after you've eaten, to see what the food you ate did to your BG levels. If you see that your BG levels are really high after you've eaten, then you know to avoid that food. Your BG meter is your lifeline. Again, go to the website I mentioned and you will see a really great community of diabetics who will share what they know about diabetes, and what they know can really help you. Just keep in mind that having diabetes isn't that big of a deal if you take the right steps to control it. Diabetes is the only major disease that YOU control...it doesn't control you unless you let it. A lot of the diabetics in that forum will tell you that getting diabetes was the best thing that could have happened to them, because they now eat right, their A1c has dropped, their cholesterol has dropped, their triglycerides have dropped, and they feel so much better, now that they know the proper things to eat, the proper exercise and the proper supplements to take. (let me guess....they put you on metformin, right?) Metformin is a good oral drug, but in a lot of people (myself included), it causes diarrhea. If you find that happens to you, ask the doctor for metformin XR. That's a time release version of it and many people seem to tolerate it better.(I could tolerate any oral diabetes meds, so I went on insulin and I love it!)

    Anyway, I guess I went way off topic here....sorry, I just wanted you (and tjsunray) to know about the other forum for diabetics.

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    @Gretchen: I'll be in touch soon, thanks!

    @renae_d: Likewise, look out for an email from me!

    @wolfgangbuster29: A fine point. We worked the brains trust hard to come up with a word better than "cams", because, like you, we don’t want it to be a wham-bam-thankyou ma'am experience for models or members. The word "cams" is really owned by that approach (the flip side is, when you say cams, any adult entertainment consumer has a good idea what the product is).

    We really wanted to use "hangouts", as that's really the tone we hope to have. Like hanging out with your mates on a Saturday afternoon, perhaps with an attractive young woman who you had not met before, but you kinda-flirt with! Unfortunately, Google has trademarked the phrase "hangouts". Keywords we had on our list included "intimate", "flirt" and "play". Here's a shot of the whiteboard (I had to blur some of the other stuff on my whiteboard, that is to do with other business stuff, sorry):

    So, I hope you give it a go, even if the name puts you off.

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    @ AarontheMoor. Yes, I get you. Do you think you'd drop in if you were online at the right time, though?

    @Dekoda: understandable. I'd for you to check it out at a personal level, because you have been associated with the site for so long, and even before the site existed. But, I understand if you'd prefer to stay out.

    @lulu121: Well, we'll see what we can do!

    @mrpinkeyes: you're gonna love it, I am sure!

    @wolfgangbuster29... maybe you'll like it after all!

    @dekoda: Actually, I was diagnosed late with Type 1 diabetes, so I get to take insulin and keep eating what I want (joking!!). Thanks for the tip on the forums, I'll check them out.

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    We did some more testing on the "cams" platform today, it's basic, but it's really exciting to see it take shape here at HQ. Not long now!

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    There are basically two different types of camming. The most common is the sort that AW tried a while ago, where the members can log in to a public room and can pay extra to chat one on one with the model. The model may or may not get a basic fee from the site owner, but her main money comes from doing the private chats with individual members. That sort quickly becomes a fairly sordid exercise in which the model tries to get the member to part with as much cash as possible and in return she does more and more of whatever the member asks her to do.

    The second sort is the ATK type, where a cam show is scheduled for a particular time and lasts for one hour. No doubt it could be longer or shorter. The model is paid a fee by the site owner and members can log in for free. All the members can ask the model questions and she answers them (and no doubt sometimes ignores them). The success of the show depends on the personality of the model. What the model does during the show depends on what she has agreed to do with site management, not how much money she can extract from the members. The problem with this type of show is that its accessibility for members depends on what time zone they are in. It also costs the site money, but as AW is already incredibly expensive for the number of updates it produces, hopefully it can afford it; and it may be money well spent if it attracts new members.

    I think AW is proposing the latter (ATK) type, but it's not entirely clear.

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    On the positive side, I think it's cool that you're trying something new and that you're designing the experience from an AW perspective. And although you don't release site statistics, I'd bet dollars to donuts that Gretchen and Renae are about the most popular models from the last two years. You've heard a lot of negativity from vocal forum users, but that probably doesn't represent the silent majority of site users. The same thing happens on talk shows: only the most ardent take the time to express their opinion.
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    AarontheMoor, I am picking up what you are putting down.

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    It's difficult to be enthusiast for the cam because the website itself would need improvements:
    - There's at least 2 times less updates per week than in the past.
    - There hasn't been any girl-girl fun shoots since a very long time.
    And you don't even plan to include next versions of the cam in the membership...

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    This is something I'd be interested in too! I have a HD cam and I can talk the hind legs off a donkey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post

    @Dekoda: understandable. I'd for you to check it out at a personal level, because you have been associated with the site for so long, and even before the site existed. But, I understand if you'd prefer to stay out.
    Sure, I don't mind checking it out to see what it's all about, but to be honest, I have no interest anymore in seeing young ladies, either clothed or naked, on a live feed. I am too old to be able to relate to young women, so I just stay at home and keep to myself...kinda like a hermit.



    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    @dekoda: Actually, I was diagnosed late with Type 1 diabetes, so I get to take insulin and keep eating what I want (joking!!). Thanks for the tip on the forums, I'll check them out.
    I am a type 2 diabetic, but I am unable to take any of the oral meds for it so I take both a basal insulin (Lantus) and a bolus insulin (Novolog). As a type 1 diabetic, you have a totally different situation than I do, but, you can control it the same way that I do.....with insulin. It's not that hard to do, so if I can help you in any way, don't hesitate to ask and I'll share what I've learned from the diabetesforums.com...oh, and what the diabetes forums can teach you is extremely helpful in controlling your diabetes. Most doctors are ignorant about the proper way to control your diabetes, so before listening to your doctor, go to the diabetesforums.com and ask questions. You will be amazed at the collective knowledge of the people there. Most doctors are using outdated knowledge about diabetes, and that knowledge can cause you complications....even death, so please, do yourself a favor and go to the diabetes forums and find out what you REALLY need to do to control your diabetes.

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    so, if I can get this working, I'll be the first encounter on AW "Playdate", our cams project, in about two hours from now.

    UPDATE: ok, there are some bugs, so we need to stand down, so the devs can fix it on Monday.
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    I am on-line all day today so if you want someone to try it I'll be here to do it .
    Look forward to seeing you garion lol
    Oh I clicked to go on there and it said I don't meet the criteria to be able to see the cams...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    I am on-line all day today so if you want someone to try it I'll be here to do it .
    Look forward to seeing you garion lol
    Oh I clicked to go on there and it said I don't meet the criteria to be able to see the cams...
    I would say Pippa more than meets the criteria to be able to do this so hopefully they will be able to help Pip get this up & running.

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    Hi, I just rejoined for another year as I think this site is the best one out there and I love the girls. I think this is a great idea, as it will be fun to talk to the girls, and hear what they have to say one on one.

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    Hi folks. Tried to do another sesh just now, we have some more technical issues. Sorry. We'll try again same time tomorrow.

    Sorry.

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    What time is the show planned for?

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    damn, this stuff is hard. We're making progress, but it will not be in an hour from now when originally planned. I'm glad we're not doing this with a real model yet. This is new tech for us that we created from the ground up, and we're not sure how it's going to work (when it actually starts working!).

    All that being said, Monday night UTC+1 (Amsterdam time, 1900, about 10am in LA, 1pm in NY, 3am in Melbourne) is looking promising.

    2 hours before the show goes live, a countdown time appears on the members news page (www.abbywinters.com/members).

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    based on the time I hope you're doing it from Amsterdam and not Melb

    Maybe test it first (internally) then make an announcement on possible date/time?

    The 'beta' icon is obscuring the last bit of 'playdate' in top menu and you *might* want to explain on that page what it more or less is?

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    Hi folks,

    well, we tested it, and it was not awesome. But, the good news is, we got some good data, and now we know a lot more to help it work in the future. We'll schedule another test soon.

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    I saw the "countdown" today, and again, got a message saying I'm not allowed in for some reason. Don't qualify, which is ridiculous because I do meet the criteria. Hope when it's all working, I'll be able to come in and chat. If not, have fun everyone and let me know how you like it. If anyone can tell me why I don't qualify when I try to get in, please let me know.

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    laktor, you do get to the http://www.abbywinters.com/playdate page itself? When did you get the error ? If you don't get to the playdate page, what's your aw username (NOT password, just username).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    laktor, you do get to the http://www.abbywinters.com/playdate page itself? When did you get the error ? If you don't get to the playdate page, what's your aw username (NOT password, just username).
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    Tried both times I saw this on the home page with the same result. My username should be laktor, but maybe meee223. That was my original username.

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    Your username for mainsite is mee223 I think, and indeed that user doesn't see much on the beta page at all (menu and footer, nothing in between).

    Garion, should all members already see that page?

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