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    Hiding tattoos/bruises (show the whole model)

    I'm sick of AW ruining so many shoots because of their decision to hide the models' tattoos (or bruises).

    In almost every recent shoots the girls don't get fully naked and aren't shoot from every angles. It's been going on for weeks and nothing seems to change.

    A girl isn't just an ass and breasts. Her whole body is sexy and deserves to be seen (belly, back, arms, legs...).

    The following actions make the shoots unnatural and strange:
    - The models keep a piece of clothing
    - The models keeps putting back a piece of clothing
    - The camera avoids a specific angle
    - The model stays in a specific position to hide a tattoo
    - The model gets fully naked only for a few photos or a few seconds

    Hiding parts of a model's body feels wrong: It gives the message to the viewers that the model's body isn't beautiful and should stay hidden ; That AW is ashamed of shooting her! It goes against the philosophy of showing normal girls as they are.

    Could AW tell us what they think and if they plan to change their rules?

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    You may want to change the topic title, as it seems you want to discuss more then just tattoo's. Good thing too, as that was already done in this thread, same title and also started by you.

    You may be interested in Masie's recent post here: http://forums.abbywinters.com/vbulle...624#post418624

    I personally don't mind not seeing a tattoo, but I understand it can be strange if you view shoot as *avoiding* something. Luckily I rarely notice it, so doesn't bother me as much.
    AW does shoot girls as natural as possible, however the intention also is to make her look as good as possible (within constraints as; no make-up and such).

    .. where 'good' is 100% subjective of course..

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    I couldn't find the old thread.
    You can merge the topics or change the title (I can't edit the title).

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlabka View Post
    I couldn't find the old thread.
    You can merge the topics or change the title (I can't edit the title).
    I'll change the title, to show thread is not *only* about tattoo's.

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    I've never seen a model presented on any porn site is 100% "honest." If the depiction were completely true to life, there'd be fewer smiles, an open discussion of money, no "posing" and fewer thrills for the viewer. The POV that AW takes is fine with me. And I'm not a big fan of the ink, so disguising tats with clothing or using particular angles is fine by me.
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    I'm still holding out hope that we will see Thais minus her long socks...

    The closest we have got so far (Think this is a good example of what redlabka is saying)
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    Yes, Thais is one of the girl who had to hide her tattoo.
    Her shoot with Blanca was very strange: Thais kept her socks, Blanca kept her skirt and they were careful to hide the tattoos in most situation (http://www.abbywinters.com/girl_girl...anca_thais_194).
    They often seemed more preoccupied by hiding their tattoos than by having sex.

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    I think what several people are trying to say is that they don't much like tattoos on a model's beautiful body, but what's worse is a shoot where the model has tattoos but has to try to hide them. That would certainly be my point of view.
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    part right Jackson...
    I don't have any problem seeing tattoos on a beautiful AW models body, it's the unnatural feel that occurs in a shoot when it's being hidden or covered up as redlabka has pointed out.

    I had thought it had gotten better and Claudia S later shoots were a sign of improvement. But it does seem that the rules changes from model to model or shoot to shoot.

    I understand some models may not want certain tattoo's shown, family members names etc, but wouldn't a cover-up (make-up) type thing be better/look ,ore natural in these cases?

    Just my opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    I'm still holding out hope that we will see Thais minus her long socks...

    The closest we have got so far (Think this is a good example of what redlabka is saying)
    Are those pictures both of Thais?

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    Out of 6 shoots I've done with Abby Winters 4 have my tattoos covered.
    Who knows maybe I can work with them after my implants they can just cover my tits up as well as my tattoos HAHA <joke>
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    Out of 6 shoots I've done with Abby Winters 4 have my tattoos covered.
    Is it in your latest shoot that you were able to show your full body?
    I think that AW stopped to hide tattoos for a while but decided to hide them again recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    Who knows maybe I can work with them after my implants they can just cover my tits up as well as my tattoos HAHA <joke>
    I'm not even sure that it would feel stranger than what we see recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlabka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    Out of 6 shoots I've done with Abby Winters 4 have my tattoos covered.
    Is it in your latest shoot that you were able to show your full body?
    I think that AW stopped to hide tattoos for a while but decided to hide them again recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    Who knows maybe I can work with them after my implants they can just cover my tits up as well as my tattoos HAHA <joke>
    I'm not even sure that it would feel stranger than what we see recently.
    The first one I was completely naked (the one with me running on the road) the 2nd was covered with the cardigan/shirt.
    The double intimate moments and T3 girl shoot were covered the last shoot I did a double intimate moment was naked.

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    At its core abbywinters has always been a natural website, seeing beauty in the female body and striving to show it in its original form, untouched by ink or make up but always celebrating the individual lines and marks that make each woman different and special. Over the years we always push ourselves to be better, better photographers, better web designers and better able to interpret our passion for being a natural website and this accounts for the changes in our tattoo policies over the years.

    As individuals we don't think tattoos are a bad thing but as a website we are committed to serving the niche that we carved for ourselves, the niche that has allowed us to work in this wonderful industry for over 13 years. Our promise has always been all natural, natural bodies, natural attitudes, real natural sex and we want to continue to keep this all natural promise to our members.

    On paper the easiest solution to keep everyone happy would be for us to always reject interested woman who happen to have tattoos but when you find yourself talking to someone as passionate and likeable as Pippa I am sure you can understand why we sometimes decide to make exceptions and try and work around a models tattoos. I know that in those instances it can be frustrating to not get to see the whole but we hope that getting to know and share in the passions and energies of the individual’s outweighs the frustration of not always getting to see everything.

    It is possible we may need to look at the frequency of the exceptions we have been making and reduce them and I can assure you that the management team that guide and form abbywinters are always looking at ways to make this one of the greatest erotic sites in the world both for models and members. While it may not always seem logical to you every decision we make, made day to day, month to month, is always made with the success of the website, the satisfaction of our members and the happiness and ethical treatment of our models in mind.

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    AW had no problem shooting girls with tattoos (and piercings) when they were in Australia. The website already was about natural girls and was very successful. It seems that the fear of tattoos is a recent trend at AW.

    For me, the lack of spontaneity induced by hiding some parts of the models is a lot worse than seeing some tattoos. Some girl-girl shoots are very frustrating to watch when the girls don't get naked. It's a shame because these models are beautiful.

    I still hope that you will change your point of view. I would like AW to be a website which shows natural girls AND shoots them naturally.

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    I think it is stupid when tattoos in this way be concealed.
    Show the whole Model! Tattoos, Piercings, Bruises, Scars belong to the personality of the Model.

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    I understand the leaders of AW, who reflect on the problem of girls with tattoos. But here anxiety about losing here usual succes by presenting the tattoos on the body of the girls is wrong. Most of the AW-clients demand to look at natural and unaffected girls, and to see her bodys everywhere, without or with tattoos.

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    Omg these two girls are so amazing!!!!

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