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    recently some times I feel that Abbwinters became like any other 'porn' site , not the delicious and beautiful porn we used to see in this site. some models who appeared recently looks unhappy, and unhealthy. and gg shoots looks like american porn.

    I like Abbywinters most when it was operated from Australia. these days models looks beautiful, innocent, amature, next door girls.

    #2
    For those of us that can't believe what we are reading, would you like to mention any particular model(s) that don't look happy because in all the video's I've seen recently (both g/g and solo) the models look very happy at the end and in the "after shoot" video's. I also take issue with the fact you say most of the models are "unhealthy" again which model(s).

    The final insult and most hurtfull to all the AW models and backstaff is that you now compare AW to american porn, there is no comparison in my opinion, I would much rather watch AW than all the fake plastic women they have in US porn sites like "reality kings" (and yes I did have a subscription but cancelled it).

    If you really no longer like AW then I suggest you look elsewhere and let the rest of us enjoy all the natural models that AW keep bringing us.

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      #3
      Lets NOT list models you think look unhealthy, that's just not nice. If you have any such concerns please use the feedback form on the site.

      The g/g shoots haven't changed that much over the years, not sure what makes you say they look like 'regular' porn? For starters there's no plastic in these shoots Have you watched a old (pre-2010) g/g shoot recently to compare? If you liked it more then a recent shoot, can you state why? That way this might become useful feedback.

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        #4
        sorry Frans, I hope you didn't think I would actually want jungleboy to list the models, I was just so angry at what he had written and wanted to defend all the staff and models at AW.

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          #5
          Sorry If I offended any one. it wasnt my intention. models are in different taste. different shape. and viewers are also. I just wanted to say my feeling. not to offend any one. I didnt mansion any name. as in old days, now also there are my type of models.

          and I dont say that AW is totally like an American porn site. but in some shoots its not same touch of OZ days. I amd member of AW since 2006 . so I live this site. and I appreciate the models.

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            #6
            old and new

            Originally posted by jungleboy View Post
            Sorry If I offended any one. it wasnt my intention. models are in different taste. different shape. and viewers are also. I just wanted to say my feeling. not to offend any one. I didnt mansion any name. as in old days, now also there are my type of models.

            and I dont say that AW is totally like an American porn site. but in some shoots its not same touch of OZ days. I amd member of AW since 2006 . so I live this site. and I appreciate the models.
            Hi
            The modelsare just a pretty now as in the Australian days
            It is the movies itself.
            Then you had more kissing and oral,and today fingering is the rule, kissing and oral is less then it was.
            Off course a lot of people like it, but I prefer the old ones, watching them back, the new ones onlyone time, it is a way you see also else where, it is all in the fingers.

            I do not say it is bad, but I like the old ons a lot better, but that is due to my personal taste

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              #7
              I agree with you spartaa.
              The old stuff is more amateur stuff. Like girls from next door. Not so professional shootings and, very important, the photografer are women too.

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                #8
                One essential component that is almost missing completely from Solo shoots that used to bleed into GG and IM shoots is talking. Nowadays models barely interact with the camera or tell us about their life (I like to know they're human beings who study, who nerd out for a particular band, who like to blow off steam about that jackass from work, etc. and "What is your favorite sex position?" is not a good substitute for that). I think this is the main thing that made it more "amateur" a few years ago. I still love the site, but I know there's something missing, too.

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                  #9
                  I am a newbie on this site but have also been looking at the early AW photos and I am in agreement with the original poster. The early photos (prior to the move to the Netherlands) had some really stunning girls. Not that some of the Euro girls are not good looking but the comparison between Australia and Europe photos really bears that out. On another note, some people on this site do not take to constructive criticism too well. They tend to get rather defensive then evaluate the comment. That´s my two cents.
                  Last edited by southerncone; 19 September 2016, 02:19 PM.

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                    #10
                    I am sorry but yes some of us do get rather defensive when someone who has been a member for 5 mins comes to the forums and starts comparing new and old models, obviously there will be differences in looks between Australian and European models the same is true between European and American as well but to say that only one country produces "stunning girls" comes across as rude to all models plus the backroom staff at AW.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by southerncone View Post
                      I am a newbie on this site but have also been looking at the early AW photos and I am in agreement with the original poster. The early photos (prior to the move to the Netherlands) had some really stunning girls. Not that some of the Euro girls are not good looking but the comparison between Australia and Europe photos really bears that out.
                      That's not very constructive as criticism Constructive would be to describe how the site would be better for you. There will be Australian models coming to AW (Laney just arrived for some more shoots), but what other things would you prefer to see different and how ?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Frans View Post
                        Originally posted by southerncone View Post
                        I am a newbie on this site but have also been looking at the early AW photos and I am in agreement with the original poster. The early photos (prior to the move to the Netherlands) had some really stunning girls. Not that some of the Euro girls are not good looking but the comparison between Australia and Europe photos really bears that out.
                        That's not very constructive as criticism Constructive would be to describe how the site would be better for you. There will be Australian models coming to AW (Laney just arrived for some more shoots), but what other things would you prefer to see different and how ?
                        I will think about it and get back to you.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by havijack View Post
                          I am sorry but yes some of us do get rather defensive when someone who has been a member for 5 mins comes to the forums and starts comparing new and old models, obviously there will be differences in looks between Australian and European models the same is true between European and American as well but to say that only one country produces "stunning girls" comes across as rude to all models plus the backroom staff at AW.
                          Actually, I have seen AW photos for quite some time now, just on other sites. Sorry of it offends you but I am being honest. For comparison, look at Zishy. Nowhere as explicit as this site but those girls are very pleasing to the eye.

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                            #14
                            Yes I am offended (plus I'm sure all the models and backroom staff at AW reading your posts will be too), and now you start comparing models from another "site", well then you haven't made a great first impression and frankly your attitude to this site and its content is terrible.
                            Last edited by havijack; 20 September 2016, 03:23 AM.

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                              #15
                              Don´t worry dude, I don´t plan on renewing.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by southerncone View Post
                                Don´t worry dude, I don´t plan on renewing.
                                why not? constructive criticism is still welcome

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by southerncone View Post
                                  Don´t worry dude, I don´t plan on renewing.
                                  Your contributions so far are empty in both optimism and content but not contempt, rendering them completely useless. By the by, only subscribers are being mean to you, the mods are not.

                                  To further the thread, the models are speaking more on their solo shoots! I am happy with this turn of events.

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                                    #18
                                    I read the boards every morning - you guys are the start of my day and I am always seeking feedback on things that worked well and we should do more of and things you would like to see more of and might like to see in new ways. It is not always possible to implement everyones ideas, some peoples ideas clash with other peoples ideas, I can not do more and less of a thing, but we try and we care.

                                    Tribby I am glad you noticed a bit more chatter in recent solos, this is something we have been discussing and I have personally tried really hard to work on showing a more rounded picture of the models personalities in the solos I shoot - all the ladies are lovely after all I can see why it is interesting to learn more.

                                    I know abbywinters can sometimes be a hard place to voice a critical opinion but I am proud we have a community that first and foremost respects the feelings of the models who work with us and that our community will always defend the models first and ask questions later.

                                    As long as no models are targeted we do like to receive feedback though - we all want abbywinters to be the best it can be, we are all on the same team.

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                                      #19
                                      Well said Masie,I am sometimes accused as a fence sitter,but in my opinion,I loved the old days,but also think the newer shoots are very good,and high quality. the H.D. shows every detail right down to a pimple on the arse..I have to admit I have tried many sites from time to time,including webcam sites which hooked me for a while,but A.W. is the best value and best site on the net in my opinion. keep up the good work.

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                                        #20
                                        I agree with lion03, Masie. Just keep up the good work. It works for me!

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by masie View Post
                                          Tribby I am glad you noticed a bit more chatter in recent solos, this is something we have been discussing and I have personally tried really hard to work on showing a more rounded picture of the models personalities in the solos I shoot - all the ladies are lovely after all I can see why it is interesting to learn more.
                                          Absolutely! I appreciate the work, probing the mind is both sexy and lovely. There's hundreds of tube sites for other probes. Your "radio show" and "ask the models" segments were great and I recommend them to any members who haven't seen them. Masie's fantastic, by the way, she's one of my faves. Masie, have you thought about getting in front of the camera again in any capacity?

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                                            #22
                                            I totally agree with Tribby about talking.

                                            If you think about it, when you meet someone at a party or in a bar or with a group of friends there are a few things that you *always* ask each other.

                                            You ask, what do you do with yourself, are you a student or do you work or are you looking for work or what? And if they're a student you ask what they're studying and do they like it; and if they work you ask what sort of work and do they like it; and it goes on from there.

                                            And you ask do they live at home with parents or do they have their own place or share with friends or a partner and maybe that leads to other things too.

                                            And you ask what they like to do in their spare time and there might be all sorts of interesting things to find out about that.

                                            And if you meet in some special context like a talk by an artist or writer or a protest meeting or whatever you ask about their interest in that. The reason I mention that is that when you, Masie, or any of the other shooters meet a model, you're meeting her on the video on behalf of all of us members, and you're in a very special context, which is that she's going to take off her clothes and you're going to photograph her. So the obvious thing is to ask why she's decided to do that and if she's done it before and how she feels about it. Some of your models have done it before and some haven't; everybody knows that; but it seems to be a topic that is almost never raised in the videos and I have never understood why not. Sometimes it is, but very, very rarely.

                                            Obviously if a particular model doesn't want to talk about any of these things, then don't. But I doubt that most of them would mind. And obviously you don't want to get so specific that you give away their personal details.

                                            There's another thing I forgot to mention and that's where she comes from. You can tell Americans and English by their accents, but there are many models here and we don't know whether they're Polish or Lithuanian or German or Hungarian or whatever.

                                            The Abby girls are ordinary people doing something that most ordinary people don't do. So I think you should talk to them the way you'd talk to anyone in real life and ask them about themselves and why they're doing this unusual thing.

                                            By all means ask the stuff about favourite sexual position and so on although personally I find it super boring and I wonder how many members are really interested, but ask them the normal stuff as well. That's the way to present an Abby girl as what she is: her own unique self, living her own life for her own reasons.

                                            I agree it's got better recently but it was terrible for a long while and it still could be so much better.
                                            Last edited by JacksonP49; 25 September 2016, 06:48 AM.

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                                              #23
                                              A great list Jackson I am sending this list to the shoot team now for future use.

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                                                #24
                                                I think the first models look like not professional and that is the difference. It seems they get ask on the road or in a club if they are interest to do a nude shooting.
                                                Since AW moved to Amsterdam most of the models are professional. Perfect styling, perfect camera, perfect sounds. Looks they get casted for it.
                                                Models like Marigold, Liana or Bev look really nervous at their first appearing.
                                                So why doesn't Abby Winter do a "Classic Version" where all the old shoots appear? Even the first things they've made. Before 2006?

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                                                  #25
                                                  There's no doubting that a lot of hard work has gone into improving Abbywinters over the years. As a consequence the AW of today is a far more slick, polished and professional site that provides a more comprehensive service for its members than when it first started.

                                                  But as with any long term venture changes come at a cost and with Abby the cost is ironically the loss of some of that original amateurism that made the site so appealing.

                                                  Others on this thread have offered examples of what they see as missing or changed from the early years so I would offer as my own example the disappearance of the BTS videos. The BTS photos do provide a glimpse of the unique Abby 'atmosphere' but nowhere near that provided by the videos which truly displayed in a most entertaining way the occasional 'mayhem' that we would expect to see in an amateur site.

                                                  Regarding the other comments here I would have to single out the nude shoots to add my own opinion and agree that they now provide far less information about the model and have mostly become just another solo masturbation shoot.

                                                  Obviously there is no going back to 'the good old days' nor I think would most members want that to happen but I think it would be a shame not to attempt to revive some of that original unique Abby appeal by addressing some of the comments on this thread.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Just to add to my previous post I offer the following as an example of BTS photos as used nowadays compared to videos as used in earlier times.
                                                    The latest Picture of the Day shows two models meeting for the first time:

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                                                    Compare this with the short video of Christiana meeting Gabrielle:



                                                    One provides interest and an entertaining glimpse of the 'Abby world' whereas the other does not (my humble opinion!). Perhaps others could offer their opinion?

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                                                      #27
                                                      Hmm.

                                                      I've been a member of AW on and off for a really long time - over a decade, maybe? - and I'm happy to share some observations.

                                                      I think that AW has done a remarkable job of keeping the content fresh. Any other site that's been running even half as long, the videos become extremely formulaic: it's the same setup, same lame commentary, and same cookie-cutter poses, with the same camera work. It's often the same people, and their acting skills don't get better over time... by the time you've seen the same person in eight videos, it feels inauthentic.

                                                      AW has avoided a whole lot of that, in many ways:

                                                      1) AW's recruiting efforts *do not quit* - and models don't get featured so often that they become, well, stock.

                                                      2) AW's recruiting is absolutely not confined to a specific "look" or body type - so refreshing!

                                                      3) The action is clearly personal to the models involved, rather than scripted.

                                                      4) Branching into GB (confined to a "the same models and their boyfriends" mold) was also an excellent move, both to broaden content generally, and to show the same models in very different circumstances.

                                                      5) The extreme effort to put members in touch with models. I can't identify any other site that has striven to create such a community - both through the forums, and through playdates. Just tremendous.

                                                      Now, I do have one negative observation about "old vs. new" AW: too much of the content is confined to the established categories (solo, IM, T3 GG / GGG, GB). AW seems much less inclined to deviate from these molds. We've not had a T1 or T2 GG in a *really* long time. "Old" AW featured 4+ group shoots, both sexy (laundromat, sleepover party, shower makeout, the GGGG "orgasm race" video) and innocent (yoga, body painting) - I think they've offered one of those in the past two years. Looking back, these "different" types of shoots are some of my favorites. They offer a different kind of fun, with a different focus and pacing. T2s are especially great: more playful snogging, less rushing to orgasms. Sadly, that variety has been lost.

                                                      Still, I recognize that sites can't fulfill the interests of *everyone*. If those shoots just weren't popular (or simply weren't worth the production cost), it makes sense to drop them. On the other hand, well - more variety is better...

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                                                        #28
                                                        I totally agree with just about everything you have said sfsdfd, especially point 5. Garion et al should be heartily congratulated for setting up the playdates and providing an excellent way of creating contact between members and models: a unique Abby facility indeed.

                                                        I would also support you regarding the T2 and group shoots although it would have been interesting if one or two of the latter had taken that extra step into a T3 scenario. If I am correct I think in the sleepover scene Keilyn and Navah were quite prepared to do so!

                                                        I do however believe that the GG videos have become formulaic over time, which is something I have commented on in the past. Of course it just has to be difficult to incorporate any variety when so many shoots are produced on such a regular basis but with just (seemingly) simple changes such as having the models wear something other than light casual clothing and using different intro scenes I believe the shoots would be far more interesting. In the eary days most shoots began with the models already kissing and making out - maybe this intro could be used now and then?

                                                        Regarding the BTS shoots I mentioned above: perhaps it does come down to the production cost of photo v video. However I still think it a shame that such a great feature has disappeared from the site.
                                                        I can see the reasoning behind not having models reappear too often but I would be the last to complain if we saw a lot more of Sophie!
                                                        Last edited by boomeragain; 7 October 2016, 05:58 AM.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Dear People
                                                          Lets start by saying the models are all very cute so not a bad word over them
                                                          Earler I commented on comparing wtih the older days, they were in a way I like more, more kissing ,and oral.
                                                          I stopped watching the latest girl/girl Alexandra and Gala, too hard for me,. slapping and fingering.
                                                          Do not be angry with me please, it is just my opinion. but I am not satisfied with the girl/girl shoots lately. and do not forger theat you are extremely expensive comparing to other sites, buth is not the main point, quality has to be paid. and it is just the quality I am not satisfied.
                                                          I wish you all a pleasant day

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                                                            #30
                                                            Hard sex or sensual with kisses depends a lot with the girls and the shoots (for example Bobbie like the kisses and make a lot of kisses). I'm not fan of the last shoot Gala/alexandra, but there was other very good and hot shoots in the few months so I can't say it's general.
                                                            In last the price is not so expensive, because I pay with the pay per view and so each month the cost is less than 25$ for me. For example Erstie (where you can find some models of abbywinter) is near 35$ per month for less updates of lesbian scene.

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