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    #31
    Yup, I'm proud to be in the immoral minority. The moral majority can kiss my ass - one at a time.

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      #32
      Count me in.
      Letter sent and awaiting justification for their archaic attitudes.
      People Power, people!

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        #33
        religions?

        personally, i don't think that any specific religion or denomination is immovable ( IMMOVABLE?? what am i trying to say? also where is the strikethrough. if ever anyone needed it...)

        the members of these groups cannot be rightfully blamed.they do a lot of good, as any organized group based on charitable moral principles does.

        i think there are people everywhere who are lobbying anti-'porn' and 'pro' who the hell knows what. it's a good strong lobby. they are self-righteous. they are guilt-ridden about their secret desires and wishes. they have sticky copies of old Hustlers under the mattress, in the springs of the mattress where they think 'the wife' (a hideous term, i think) doesn't clean, but ha, she does and she sneaks her reading while he is at work, grappling with his guilt by being mean to his underlings.

        they have sticks up their asses. they will break in two one day. rigidity always shatters....


        porn lobbies may not have a public chance against them. who in the general public wants to come up on the side of the porn people? el shocko. but quietly, insidiously, and legally, equality shall reign. nobody sez the stick people must read/view porn. they do because they want to. they love guilt. they are idiots.

        woo, rampage, and before brekkie,
        dancer
        Last edited by wannadance; 18 October 2007, 04:26 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by valerie View Post
          I'm not even a citizen (shhh! i will be one day) but I've written to the politicians too. Took less than 1 minute!

          Oh, and (perhaps) unlike in the US, in Australia an email has politically identical weight as a physical letter. So there! Go do your duty, for me, for Penny, for all the other models and members and abbyfans and general porn supports and just for the love of sex!

          What about non-australian members? Are the mails screened and the names checked against inhabitants lists (or other means of knowing who lives where) or could we simply select a state/territory, insert a name and email adress and do our duty? If so... I've got several adresses *g*

          I want to help but I don't want to cause more bad than good...

          Jack

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            #35
            Originally posted by pjay View Post
            Don't wish to break the board rules on "politics" or "religion" but it remains a crime to sell dildos in Texas (!!)
            No way! Are you sure about that? Wiki is only reliable if the source did his/her homework before editing.

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              #36
              i sent my letter! imagine all the poor, poor girls who would be out of a job - on the streets, no less! imagine all those sexy, naked girls... out on the streets... ahem. well, nevermind then...

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                #37
                Originally posted by Horndog15 View Post
                No way! Are you sure about that? Wiki is only reliable if the source did his/her homework before editing.
                I am sure. The article I posted a link to is well sourced - it includes a link to the actual statute itself at the Texas Legislature's own website and to various media reports re: prosecutions under this law. I have read about this in several other reliable media too.

                You are right about the theoretical unreliability of Wikipedia, but if the article contains a variety of independent sources and/or references then you know that said homework has been done.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by pjay View Post
                  Don't wish to break the board rules on "politics" or "religion" but it remains a crime to sell dildos in Texas (!!) and numerous US Tstates have so-called "anti-sodomy" laws on the statute books (although judicial rulings have declared the laws unconstitutional).

                  Viewed from Europe (even fuddy duddy Britain) fundamentalist "Christians" (note the use of inverted commas) seem to have a very strident input into US politics in a way they simply don't in most of Europe. A number of things I've read re: Australian politics in recent years suggest they also have an influence far in excess of their numbers in parts of Australia.

                  Add Alabama and Georgia! Source: "Law.com - 11th Circuit Nixes Sex Toys, Sex Rights"
                  An interesting take on the law: "Sex toys still banned in Alabama, guns okay - Boing Boing"
                  And, from the Texas Technical University Law School "Texas Penal Code on Obscenity", and "The Austin Chronicle: Features: Is That a Perfectly Legal, Anatomically Correct Condom Education Model, or Are You Just Happy to See Me?"

                  Well, thank goodness they can still buy GUNS!
                  Warning
                  ! Be sure you unload your gun before inserting it in...." I'd better stop!
                  As the saying goes, WTF? Would you rather see a Teenager with a Gun or a Dildo?

                  Ali

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by bad4alice View Post
                    As the saying goes, WTF? Would you rather see a Teenager with a Gun or a Dildo?
                    Weird as it may sound to you and me, but there appearantly ARE indeed people who'd prefer their teenager to have gun instead of a dildo.

                    Btw. Penny, it was very re-assuring to read you 'love sex'

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by fransAW View Post
                      Btw. Penny, it was very re-assuring to read you 'love sex'

                      Made my heart go pitter patter!

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                        #41
                        Hi guys,

                        this is a really serious issue for us, so I'd like to keep it on topic for Australia. Might be a good idea to start a new thread on any separate topics. thanks.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Abby View Post
                          Specifically what does not work?
                          The site just wouldn't load/respond, it hung for about 2 mins, so I gave up.

                          Must've been the flood of traffic from angry members having a look

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                            #43
                            Back to the Orginal Post!

                            Originally posted by Penelope View Post
                            Hi all,

                            I don't know where they find the time but certain groups within Australia are working hard to give our industry a rotten name. I think it's important we try and balance up the argument a bit. Check out this link for more info:

                            http://www.ilovesex.org.au/action.html

                            Unless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?

                            I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!

                            Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose their values opinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?

                            The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!

                            Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)

                            ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by bad4alice View Post
                              Unless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?

                              I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!

                              Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose their values opinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?

                              The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!

                              Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)

                              ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!
                              That's probably why we don't allow religion to be discussed on the Boards, Ali. Coz some terrible things have been done in the name of religion and the place would be swamped in bigotry and negativity. Maybe we could talk about faith - that's a more uplifting topic altogether.
                              pee x

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Abby View Post
                                yah, be great if everyone could do their bit, help make life easier for us here in Oz, by using that site to send a letter to the gummint. The Family First party have quite an advanced system for harnessing their folks and lobbying their local reps, so now the industry has they own system.
                                AA07/24576 - CABSEC


                                Dear Mr Swiftly (real name removed)


                                The Premier has received your recent email concerning X-rated films.

                                As the matter you have raised primarily concerns the administrations of
                                the Attorney General, and Minister for Justice, the Hon J Hatzistergos,
                                MLC, and the Minister for Police, and Minister for the Illawarra, the
                                Hon D A Campbell, MP, the Premier has arranged to bring your approach to
                                the Ministers’ attention.

                                You may be sure that your comments will receive close consideration.


                                Yours sincerely

                                Jocelyn Mouawad
                                Private Secretary

                                I guess I will hear some more will keep you informed

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                                  #46
                                  Originally posted by bad4alice View Post

                                  Unless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?

                                  I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!

                                  Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose their values opinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?

                                  The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!

                                  Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)

                                  ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!
                                  Now M Dear ,

                                  You must remember that shame is what Adam and Eve brought upon all of us by eating of the forbidden fruit (bloody good belgian beer!) and afterwards covered up our shame. So it is not such a good idea to qoute these trite fairy stories as a argument for nudity or love of natural sex (or unnatural if that is your ilk)

                                  Really we covered up our shame when women became property to be traded and to keep the other prying, piercing, perving eyes away from our property.

                                  I personally dont put faith! in any imaginary GOD to rule our affairs sexual or otherwise. In the end my arguments are if I am good enough to be used as cannon fodder in the most obscene of all mans acts WAR then i am good enough to be allowed my freedom of sexuallity with or without any gods or mans permission. Just leave me to it I LOVE IT!

                                  good post though just a rave from my part

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                                    #47
                                    How are you all going with the Letters and emails regarding this particular topic?! Hope you're keeping it up, we need all your support on this one! Thanks guys

                                    oxoxox

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                                      #48
                                      Originally posted by Melita View Post
                                      How are you all going with the Letters and emails regarding this particular topic?! Hope you're keeping it up, we need all your support on this one! Thanks guys

                                      oxoxox
                                      if you check out post #45 then i am infor a visit by the police comisioner and the local member .. when I first read it it looked a bit like a threat but now i am good with it just waiting did anyone else get such a reply??

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                                        #49
                                        i got the same letter, i assume it's a form response. i dont see anything about them visiting you - just they are forwarding your letter onto the appropriate people.

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                                          #50
                                          Originally posted by gabrielle View Post
                                          i got the same letter, i assume it's a form response. i dont see anything about them visiting you - just they are forwarding your letter onto the appropriate people.
                                          we live in hope of a personal visit say do lunch and then we can use the familiarity to get a few things done around the neighbourhood

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                                            #51
                                            Let's talk about sex......

                                            Let's talk about sex baby
                                            Let's talk about you and me
                                            Let's talk about all the good things and
                                            the bad things that may be
                                            Let's talk about sex

                                            My member has been duly informed and, like swiftly, I hope he drops by for a chat.
                                            pee x

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                                              #52
                                              First Amendment Issue

                                              I want to again add to what the other guy said about this being a First Amendment issue in the US.

                                              This issue has been succesfully dealt with in the US on the grounds of Freedom of Speech. I think if you approach it the same way in Australia, you will have some success.

                                              The Anti-Porn establishment has been repeatedly defeated in the US...................Yes, there are parts of the South and the RURAL West in the US where they have an audience, but they can't make any headway in most of the populated areas, and that's what counts. And, their attempts to prevent stores from selling X-Rated magazines have had no effect on the wide open nature of the internet, where PORN is moving to anyways !

                                              The US Supreme Court has declared unconstitutional an attempt to restrict the viewing of Pornography and it was a very decisive decision at that................the anti-porn coalitions here in the US have never really recovered from that decision. It was a decisive blow !

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                                                #53
                                                As an ex-Aussie now living in Asia, it really bugs me that the Australian government has this crap attitude. Nobody is advocating child porn. I always thought it was dumb that the best that they could offer on Foxtel was some crap censored stuff that was rubbish. It's OK to do so many things in Australia that are wrong. If I want to look at Porn and I am an adult so what. I am not hurting anyone.

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                                                  #54
                                                  I'm not from your part of the world, but I fired one off anyway. Have toyed with the thought of moving there more than once and I don't want them banning porn before I get there.

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                                                    #55
                                                    Originally posted by jsaxon View Post
                                                    I want to again add to what the other guy said about this being a First Amendment issue in the US.

                                                    This issue has been succesfully dealt with in the US on the grounds of Freedom of Speech. I think if you approach it the same way in Australia, you will have some success....
                                                    Oh, really? Look what happened when Janet Jackson had her nipple exposed on national TV! You'd think the end of the world was upon us! Fines! Apologies! Endless screeching on talk shows! All because of a 1/2 second glimpse of a 40-yr-old female nipple!

                                                    In another thread here two Brits are arguing about how come we don't see full-on nudity any more on TV. Have we here in the US ever seen full-on nudity on TV? Virtually every country in Europe and UK has a more relaxed attitude toward nudity than we do.

                                                    And even with regards to freedom to look at porn, we're teetering on the brink here... just one or two more conservative justices on our Supreme Court could tilt things the other way.

                                                    I don't think the fact that we currently are allowed... allowed!... to look at porn is anything to crow about. We've got the same sort of anti-porn crusaders that the Aussies have, and they've had their share of success!

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                                                      #56
                                                      Agree with you however I think it's the Liberals that will cause the court problems. Excuse the possibly sexist (appearing) remark that follows. THERE ISN'T AN OVER 40 YR OLD, HOMEMAKING WOMAN THAT COULDN'T DO A BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY OR PERHAPS MOST COUNTRIES! he grovels in apology Lets put Dancer in control.

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                                                        #57
                                                        Originally posted by Penelope View Post
                                                        Good work people! This is serious business. We're being censored out of existence! Please do keep those letters coming. I want my porn legal and easily accessible god dammit.


                                                        I agree and have sent in my opinion.

                                                        I changed my submission considerably from the proposed template provided.

                                                        I included access through the internet specifically rather than the suggested "Adult shops" only. I'd suggest that any win against x-rated material by our opposition would be over the internet first. Especially considering the current/recently released campaign by the Australian Government on protecting children on the internet (you've seen the ads on tv??). Of cause I agree with protecting children on the internet but it does not have to be at the expense of responsible adults and a reduction in their freedom.



                                                        I also included the fact that Government Officials would be most at risk. Lets be honest. People in power are no different to anyone else in our community. Some are gay, some like x-rated material, some have fetishes, some are against pornograph (nudism even !!), etc, etc.. they make up a large part of the demographics in which we draw the findings of surveys and statistics. Already we see officials being forced to resign from their positions based on alligations alone, without including further x-rated material restrictions. Regardless of guilt, the community perceptions are enough to effect their standing. By adding x-rated material constraints they are more suspetible than I am of being victimised. Sadly I admit, they won't understand this because all they are interested in is votes.



                                                        Agree with you however I think it's the Liberals that will cause the court problems. Excuse the possibly sexist (appearing) remark that follows. THERE ISN'T AN OVER 40 YR OLD, HOMEMAKING WOMAN THAT COULDN'T DO A BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY OR PERHAPS MOST COUNTRIES! he grovels in apology Lets put Dancer in control.


                                                        Sorry I don't agree. The person you refer of is far to kind, honest, understanding and busy to do the job.
                                                        Having said that, I'm sure first generation politicians start off the same. It's only after a period of time they turn bad like a prawn in the sun.

                                                        Cheers,
                                                        Rickdownunder

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                                                          #58
                                                          Hi everyone. Long time listener, first time poster.

                                                          I don't think we should start thinking the sky is going to fall in any time soon in terms of sites like AW being further restricted or outlawed. Take for example the public response to recent moves by lobby groups to get 'Californication' taken off air. An overwhelming majority of responses from the public was "if you don't like it, don't watch it." As a nation, we are very particular about our right to protect what we can and can't do in the privacy of our own homes and the right of the government to dictate what's acceptable and what's not. Attempts to introduce a national ID card have always been met with strong objection and calls for Big Brother to butt out of our private lives.

                                                          The hypocrisy of our classification system is astounding. Consider that films like 'Saw' and 'Hostel' can get mainstream release, the most violent video games are freely available, and the uncut version of 'Closer' by Nine Inch Nails can air on music video channels, but legitimate French cinema that happens to feature consensual adult sex is banned on sight.

                                                          Governments are more interested in being seen to something as opposed to actually doing something, because enforcing any sort of law that restricted sites like AW is going to take a lot of time, money and resources that they could better spend on pork barrelling at elections. That's why it's easy to ban the French film or stop Foxtel airing really racy stuff on the Adult Channel, because it involves next to no work for them and costs nothing because the regulations are already in place.

                                                          Police the world over are worried they're losing the battle against cybercrime, and in particular the sale and trade of child abuse and exploitation material. Even adding more investigators is failing to stem the growing tide that is out there in the back alleys of the net, and the technology people are using to try and stay away from being caught means our police are always playing 'catch up'. They don't want to waste their time Googling AW to keep an eye on two adult women having consensual sex when there is an even more important battle to be fought stamping out child abuse on the net, and I think our governments recognise that as well.

                                                          While I think the status quo will remain - that is, keep being seen to do something in regulating the legitimate adult industry - they will rightly continue to focus on catching the real bad guys who are just as detested by AW and friends.
                                                          Keep in mind however that how you vote in the federal election, especially in the Senate, will have a major impact on our lawmakers attitudes towards the adult industry. Some minor parties want to see a blanket ban, and the way their preferences flow to and from the Conservative parties will determine whether the religious lobby has a major influence on how our laws are made up until the year 2010. Look very closely at everyone's policies and where their prefrences are being directed, and then vote accordingly.

                                                          I'm a bit of a political junkie and would be happy to explain it further if need be!

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                                                            #59
                                                            Originally posted by jaycee View Post
                                                            Here in the US we have a separation of church and state law
                                                            Urban (and rural) myth.
                                                            No such law.

                                                            Originally posted by jaycee View Post
                                                            political system pays little attention to the bible thumpers
                                                            Which of the many political systems? Thump sympathizers predominate in many.
                                                            Failure to resist is to acquiesce.

                                                            Freedom From Religion Foundation is strong, doing great resistance work in the above-mentioned separation arena.

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                                                              #60
                                                              Thank you. This is a greatly mis-understood concept. Have sent the amendment to 50, maybe 100 people. Am sick as hell of SPINS for personal benefit! I'd show clause but it would most likely be considered too Political. Google it!

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