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    #31
    Originally posted by trebor View Post
    My video player (Quicktime) is unable to open the HQ version of the second video, I am getting the "this file is not a movie" error message.
    That video file has been replaced, please download it again. Should be much larger now and play properly.

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      #32
      Originally posted by garionhall View Post
      Hi, thanks for your comments. Can you please explain in a bit more detail, perhaps referancing some specific images, where you feel there are missed opportunities? Also, are you saying this is the case for ths shoot onyl, or all shoots we have ever done?

      We want to make it better, but we need your help!
      Hi Garion,

      You are kind to ask. I love the idea of the "girls" shoots with a collection of models. There are two things wrong.
      1) The shoots are prudish, with the girls clothed far more than naked. Stripping is great! But stripping actually stops being erotic and gets very irritating when it takes too long. There is nothing more disheartening than downloading videos and you're half way through the shoot and the models are still covered in clothes. Why am I paying for shoots when only the last 20% has naturist views? This can be construed as being somewhat insulting as the attitude seems to be, keep them waiting. It feels like a cynical marketing stunt.

      2) After you get the girls naked, shoot them together, naked in ensemble shots. And ensure that you get good shots of them moving around, so you get all round 360 degree views of the models. The nude figure looks very different moving dynamically than when posed or standing You shoot them collectively from the front, but why not from behind too? And the side! Not bending over in a sleazy way, but, you know, just looking beautiful. I want to see LOTS of shots like this, but what I get is a few like this, and the rest either focussing on individual girls or small subset. Why ration the great shots? I find this very frustrating, it subtracts from the eroticism pleasure that the site should bring! Have them standing, walking around, lying on their backs, lying on their sides, lying on the fronts looking up at the camera cutely. Crouching, running, striding - dynamic shots are sexy and artistic.

      Women provide the photography and videos it seems, and this is mostly a good thinig. I don't like pornography produced by most men as it tends to be sleazy and unerotic.

      However women don't seem to be motivated to shoot the women naked. They are more interested in the clothes the models wear. Nooooooooooooooooo! Nudes please! Don't make me skip half an hour to get to the 5 minutes at the end anticlimax!

      Seriously I would pay much more than I do for this site if you actually did this!
      Thanks very much indeed and for what you have done, thank you

      The opinions I have provided apply to most abby shoots. I feel frustration 9/10 at what could have been
      The best shoots are like the "bathroom girls" and Yoga girls and step aerobics girls - but the latter two are tainted by the criticisms above.

      Step aerobics girls and yoga girls in particular suffered from overlong stripping, depriving us of great shots! But when they were good (fully naked), it was very very very very very fantastic! But too little too late seems to apply!

      Maybe there's a subconscious fear by the female videographers that people will get bored of seeing nudes, but this fear is misplaced. Seeing nudes is the reason we are here, it is never boring - for a man, unless there is no variety - no imagination, no variation! Case in point, two girls lying on a bed or couch - this restricts the views and gets tired very fast.
      Last edited by Xabbyy3; 3 April 2009, 11:14 PM.

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        #33
        Thanks for updating the video, looks great!

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          #34
          I think Xabbyy3 has said many of the things that I have not been able to articulate as well as he has. Nude bodies in dynamic motion - I find that very sexy, and it's true that we could have more of that. In this shoot they were still not nude even by the end of the first video. As he says, "Let us see the bodies, as beautiful as angels".

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            #35
            Originally posted by Robinson View Post
            I think Xabbyy3 has said many of the things that I have not been able to articulate as well as he has. Nude bodies in dynamic motion - I find that very sexy
            Sounds like you would like Yoga Girls and Step Aerobics Girls ?

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              #36
              Maybe the photographers need to think more about what turns guys on. If in doubt, ask one!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Frans View Post
                Sounds like you would like Yoga Girls and Step Aerobics Girls ?
                Yes Frans, very much. And Tyre Tube girls too... My eternal sorrow is that Rosanna's trampoline shoot wasn't on Video. That would have been heaven on earth. Or rather in the air!

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Robinson View Post
                  My eternal sorrow is that Rosanna's trampoline shoot wasn't on Video. That would have been heaven on earth. Or rather in the air!
                  Yes, I remember feeling the same sense of loss - if it was an oversight, it really was a major opportunity missed.

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                    #39
                    To each their own.
                    I think this shot was excellent. A lot of close-ups of cleavage, hands and even bellybuttons
                    There's lots of nudity, but the "getting there" is kind of rare and that has been captured beautifully.

                    The girls are far more appealing if there's something to guess left-over.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ferveo View Post
                      There's lots of nudity, but the "getting there" is kind of rare and that has been captured beautifully.
                      The girls are far more appealing if there's something to guess left-over.
                      I agree completely! The act of seeing a girl undress is a very pleasant thing to see. Seeing their pretty underwear is exciting.
                      Good job, Team AW!

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                        #41
                        Well, one person's annoyance is another's paradise. I love the long undressing sequences and I especially like closeups of bras. But I must agree, with respect to videos that the very graceful natural movement of the female body, especially the gently swaying of breasts is the most intoxicating to me.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by bookmanz View Post
                          I agree completely! The act of seeing a girl undress is a very pleasant thing to see. Seeing their pretty underwear is exciting.
                          Good job, Team AW!
                          Girls undressing IS sexy, I agree! The one problem with some naturist films is they go from clothed to naked without that lovely strip. No body is arguing that we shouldn't see the girls strip. What IS frustrating, though, is how long it takes!
                          For me, the stripping bit is rather like looking at the menu at the restaurant. It's a great pleasure for sure! But ultimately the meal is the entire point of the exercise.
                          Let's take the yoga and step aerobics shoots. The ONLY parts of those shoots that gets replayed are the naked bits.
                          The IRONY is that if they stripped the girls faster, I *would* re-watch them stripping. But if stripping is spread out over half an hour, you can't find the stripping bits!
                          Girls undressing for a shower is infinitely sexy because they get undressed quickly, say in 2 minutes. That is very very very sexy indeed. Getting undressed in half an hour is not sexy because its difficult to find the parts where they actually take anything off.
                          Returning to this erotic art class shoot, IF they had the girls come in, and get undressed in, say , 3 minutes, and then do everything else naked - then basically I would give it 10/10. I would REWATCH the move all the time!
                          As it is, I give this movie 3/10 and will rewatch it probably once or twice and get annoyed at the waste of talent.
                          The abbey girls shoots are frustrating because when I watch them, I just know that they're going to annoy me. I imagine the girls doing all the clothed parts naked, and think how wonderful that would be.
                          If Abbey did the multiple girls shoots using the formula
                          1) Fast strip
                          2) Naked for 90% of shoot
                          3) Have the girls walk around so that you can see them all, - no hiding!
                          4) Have the girls do some activity and film from all directions - not just boobs shots. Best are boobs, pussy and ass each often shown. And not too many close ups - the whole human body is sexy seen together!
                          5) Static AND dynamic shots - the body looks amazing in motion when the muscles are working
                          6) Avoid skinny girls with no curves
                          7) I repeast - Fast strips are more intense than boring slow strips!

                          If I wanted to see women in clothes I would watch a Victorian period drama BAH!
                          Great ideas - BAD execution. When I'm rich I'm going to set up a site following the steps above - a kind of zenra site with non-asian girls (All nude sports, games etc, where the nudity lasts A LONG TIME.
                          Thank you Abby for at least being good 5% of the time, but when you are good, you are the best!

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                            #43
                            somebody just tell me how our anneke can keep getting more and more beautiful????

                            i have met her and thought, woo, gorgeous and now all i can think is wooooooo, gorgeouser!!

                            amazed and dazed,
                            dancer

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by bookmanz View Post
                              I agree completely! The act of seeing a girl undress is a very pleasant thing to see. Seeing their pretty underwear is exciting.
                              Good job, Team AW!
                              And I totally agree with bookmanz! Plz give me more of this! Those lovely buttcheeks flat on the floor is outstanding erotica

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Xabbyy3 View Post
                                All nude sports, games etc, where the nudity lasts A LONG TIME.
                                That would be interesting but limiting it to "non-asian girls" and avoiding "skinny girls with no curves"... that's where we go separate ways. Because I like to see real girls of all sorts, and AW gives me that opportunity. And I love it!

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                                  #46
                                  I'm seeing the point of a lot of what is being said in terms of missed opportunities on some of the newer shoots.
                                  The new shoot with Alena is a great example - while the tease is a fantastic thing to behold when done by an abby girl, of the 152 images in this set, barely 30 feature full nudity. Of those maybe 7 showcase this gorgeous girl in her full beautiful naked form.
                                  Now whether its a missed opportunity or that the models are uncomfortable showing as much of themselves I don't know.

                                  It's a small issue, and a comment more than a complaint. But I definitely see the point of some where it seems like you almost just start to drink in the exquisite natural naked beauty of some of the newer shoots, and the set ends.

                                  But hey I've been coming back for a good 3 years as a member so something is definitely right here

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                                    #47
                                    Originally posted by Robinson View Post
                                    That would be interesting but limiting it to "non-asian girls" and avoiding "skinny girls with no curves"... that's where we go separate ways. Because I like to see real girls of all sorts, and AW gives me that opportunity. And I love it!

                                    The non-asian girls was a reference to Japanese Zenra - what I was referring to was that Abby could do Zenra, but with abby girls instead. I didn't meant to rule out all asian girls, that wasn't what I meant, my mistake in wording that badly
                                    Must admit though, skinny girls just don't do it for me.
                                    Of course this is all my opinion, may not be every one elses.

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                                      #48
                                      Originally posted by schmooze View Post
                                      I'm seeing the point of a lot of what is being said in terms of missed opportunities on some of the newer shoots.
                                      The new shoot with Alena is a great example - while the tease is a fantastic thing to behold when done by an abby girl, of the 152 images in this set, barely 30 feature full nudity. Of those maybe 7 showcase this gorgeous girl in her full beautiful naked form.
                                      Now whether its a missed opportunity or that the models are uncomfortable showing as much of themselves I don't know.

                                      It's a small issue, and a comment more than a complaint. But I definitely see the point of some where it seems like you almost just start to drink in the exquisite natural naked beauty of some of the newer shoots, and the set ends.

                                      But hey I've been coming back for a good 3 years as a member so something is definitely right here
                                      Yes, I agree with this. there should be 30 with clothes (for the audience that likes clothes) and 120 fully naked.

                                      If abby are so obsessed with clothes (bah!), they could have a seperate shoot with clothes, and give people the option of not downloading the thing.
                                      They could then have a quick striptese and naked for the rest of us
                                      Models may be uncomfortable showing themselves, but that discomfort is erotic in itself! The models wear clothes in magazines in the shops. They should be naked on a site that sells nudity! The audience is paying the models to be naked, at least that's that is how Abby markets themselves.
                                      Abby are becomging pious about nudity, like the church and the victorians! Weird.

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                                        #49
                                        Basically, if they had got the girls naked in the first 5 minutes, this shoot would have been marvelous! Truly Fantastic! Bonza!

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                                          #50
                                          Originally posted by Xabbyy3 View Post
                                          If abby are so obsessed with clothes (bah!), they could have a seperate shoot with clothes, and give people the option of not downloading the thing.
                                          ALL shoots give people the option of 'not downloading the thing'. I doubt Abby is obsessed with clothes by the way, certainly not based on a single shoot. There must be like 3000+ shoots with sufficient nudity for you to view

                                          Originally posted by Xabbyy3 View Post
                                          Models may be uncomfortable showing themselves, but that discomfort is erotic in itself! The models wear clothes in magazines in the shops. They should be naked on a site that sells nudity! The audience is paying the models to be naked, at least that's that is how Abby markets themselves. Abby are becoming pious about nudity, like the church and the victorians! Weird.
                                          I personally don't like seeing models uncomfortable, but that's just me I suppose. Prefer seeing girls having fun or goofing around. Seeing models clothed and then getting undressed is what I like. So the ratio dressed/undressed wasn't to your liking in this particular shoot, it's not like all other shoots changed after it, huh? Next time the team will try something different with a shoot, you might like that one. Change is (usually) good, or at least exciting ;-)

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                                            #51
                                            Originally posted by Frans View Post
                                            ALL shoots give people the option of 'not downloading the thing'. I doubt Abby is obsessed with clothes by the way, certainly not based on a single shoot. There must be like 3000+ shoots with sufficient nudity for you to view



                                            I personally don't like seeing models uncomfortable, but that's just me I suppose. Prefer seeing girls having fun or goofing around. Seeing models clothed and then getting undressed is what I like. So the ratio dressed/undressed wasn't to your liking in this particular shoot, it's not like all other shoots changed after it, huh? Next time the team will try something different with a shoot, you might like that one. Change is (usually) good, or at least exciting ;-)
                                            Hello Frans,
                                            Please don't think that I'm being extreme. The shoot was very nice indeed. What I'm saying, and I'm certainly not supposing that my opinion matters, other than a long-time follower of your great site, is simple. You are diluting the quality of the shoots by having far far too much clothed stuff going on.
                                            This is frustrating because all i think is, what a waste, if only the girls had been naked when they were drawing that. All in all, it's all very upsetting!
                                            On the other hand, please make the models feel uncomfortable if it means showing them naked, as opposed to comfrotable and clothed. Personally I'm not a subscriber to see clothes in 90% of the shoot! Others might be. For me it is infuriating, and ruins the abby experience entirely. The models will, naturally prefer to be clothed, or most of them, of course. Don't let them get way with it please!
                                            I love your shoots but i only watch about 5% of them, skipping the rest as wasted disk space to get to the nice naturist shots, but your 5 % is why i am here i guess. but i would be a happy customer if it were 95%!

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                                              #52
                                              Heh, rest assured that all models eventually do get naked. Try not to get to frustrated if it takes a bit longer than you'd like (concentrate on stuff you DO like). Shoots aren't meant to upset you obviously, though some of the total may not be to your liking. We do aim to get that number below 95% though

                                              Your opinion (and any members' opinion) definitely matters and will be considered on future shoots. Feedback is welcome and helps us to improve.

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                                                #53
                                                Originally posted by Frans View Post
                                                Heh, rest assured that all models eventually do get naked. Try not to get to frustrated if it takes a bit longer than you'd like (concentrate on stuff you DO like). Shoots aren't meant to upset you obviously, though some of the total may not be to your liking. We do aim to get that number below 95% though

                                                Your opinion (and any members' opinion) definitely matters and will be considered on future shoots. Feedback is welcome and helps us to improve.
                                                Thank you Frans, you are kind.
                                                I occasionally (rarely) photograph nudes in a studio and my absolute priority is making the models comfortable and happy, and my shoots are tasteful art nudes. (Note to self, do this again!)
                                                It's very hard to communicate my frustration with abby shoots, as my complaint seems uncharitable and is subtle. I rewatched the video, which is incredibly erotic. There are quite a lot of minutes where the girls are without any clothes. But I guess I can't see very much of many of the models. I don't mind a long drawn out strip session as long as you show all of the models from all angles once they are naked, as a group.
                                                Example - at the end, the girls start walking around naked. (Ditto with step aerobics girls). Then the video blanks out. But I WANT to watch them walk around naked!!!!! Get the models to walk around so we see them walking around. VERY SEXY.
                                                Bathroom Girls! - Only 2 girls - but that shoot is BRILLIANT! You can see all the girls bodies in detaiil, the girls are happy, the shoot is FANTASTIC!
                                                Window Cleaning Girls - nice idea, very very nice but the window is not fully transparent and hides the clarity of the bodies. That would be ok if you got the girls inside the room and rotated them around.
                                                I wish Abby would revel in nudity instead of teasing then showing relatively little at the end. If you found a videographer who loved to film nude women from varying angles (mundane and creative) because he was fascinated in their bodies then I would be very very happy!

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                                                  #54
                                                  Finally am getting around to viewing this shoot. Does anyone know if the girls in this T1 were chosen for their drawing skills? I mean, I can't draw at all and failed art class and I'm sure there may be some models who are terrible at drawing. So would that make any difference at all in deciding on the models for this shoot? Or was their drawing skills/nonskills not a factor at all?

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                                                    #55
                                                    I enjoyed the Backstage (as always) but I didn't watch the 'The Life Drawing Girls' videos until now. Good to see Anneke again, she always has great presence. All the new models really made me want to see their upcoming solo sets.

                                                    But this is the way I think it should have been...

                                                    Anneke walks into the studio, goes to the stage, removes her robe and poses naked for the students. Just the way a 'life model' would. The AW models then start to sketch.

                                                    Anneke complains about how she has "a bit of dead arm" from posing (like she mentioned in the Backstage). One model laughs "Come on!" Anneke asks her "Would you like to try then?" "O.K." The model takes off her clothes and walks up to the stage. Anneke puts on her robe, goes to the back and sits at her easel. After a while the next model puts up her hand, takes off her clothes and walks up to stage. The first model goes back to her easel and sits sketching naked. All the models follow in order, taking their clothes off, life modelling for a bit and then returning to their easels to sketch. They finish sketching and compare their work. All except Anneke. They go to look at her work and she has a perfectly executed sketch - it's of Anneke herself.

                                                    Well at least my scenario had more nakedness.

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                                                      #56
                                                      As for my previous post, I know it's really not my business, but my curiosity got the better of me...sorry.

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