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The same to you Pinky. Went to the Dawn Service in Darwin this morning and must admit had a couple of rums at the Razzle afterwards.
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Originally posted by tjsunray View PostAnd a Happy ANZAC day to you and to all in Australia and New Zealand...I'm assuming it's a National Holiday?...I'm 14 hr. behind you and it's still Easter Sunday here in Canada.
RYL tj
Pinky
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I miss home now
My friends and I used to go to the ANZAC day parade because lots of them had Grandparents who died in wars Australia was involved in. None of my family members were ever soldiers so I tended to just go and have a beer and a chat with some of the old men and hear people's stories, and sometimes play two-up with them (and usually lose my tiny $1 bets they let me make ). I'd go to the Australian bar tonight, but it wouldn't be the same over here. I don't mind a beer or two on any national holiday, but this one isn't the best excuse to get drunk.
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sorry Kylie...
It is very interesting hearing some of the old "diggers" chat about their experiences.
Is these the ANZAC Day dawn parade your talking about... or later in the day... thinking that's very Aussie to be sharing a beer at dawn .
Have you got an Aussie bar close by?? That great.. a little bit of home near by... but agree totally that this is a reflective time not a piss up .
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Hey, don't be sorry! Missing home is a bittersweet feeling, it reminds me that I've always got somewhere to go back to but for now I'm off exploring the world! So it's sad but it's nice too.
I'd usually go to the dawn parade at the beach in Kingscliff and then head on over to a nearby pub for some brekkie and (yes) a beer or two!
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I know it is not the same day everwere, but today is the day we rememer those who gave their life fighting for our freedom, I'm just about to go the to local armories for the the cerimony (11:00 local time) they just had a fly over by the lancaster bomber kept at the warplane heritage museum
thank you to all the people fighting to keep the world a great place to live, past present a futureLast edited by timbo83; 11 November 2012, 06:39 PM.
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Oh.. it's about Remembrance Day in the UK/Canada. Got me wondering there what day I was in fact forgetting or didn't know about. We combine that with liberation-day (I think that's the proper name) on 5-may over here.
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11-11-11
Isn't the holiday called Armistice day in other parts of Europe?
I watched a bit of memorials from BBC and CNN today. And I saw a link that referred to this video of Christopher Hitchens, reciting a famous poem about the horror of war. It's short and worth a listen.
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the famous poem here was written by a Canadian during the first world war called "in Flanders fields"
in Flanders fields the poppys blow
between the crosses row on row
they mark our place; and in the sky
the larks, still bravely singing fly
scarce heard with the guns below
we are the dead. Short days ago
we lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
loved and were loved, and now we lie
in Flanders fields
take up your quarel with the foe:
to you from falling hands we throw
the torch; be yours to hold it high
if ye break faith with us who die
we shall not sleep, though poppys grow
in Flanders fields
-Lieutenant Colonel John McCrea (1872-1918)
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Ive been in Aussiland for 18 years and still confused about the word Lest. Have not been able to get a single Aussie to been able to explain that word. They say a translation to the whole saying. But not a translation to that word Lest.
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Hey Steve...
Good ol' wikki dictionary says...
lest [lest] Show IPA
conjunction
1.
for fear that; so that (one) should not (used negatively to introduce a clause expressive of an action or occurrence requiring caution): He kept his notes by his side lest faulty memory lead him astray.
2.
that (used after words expressing fear, danger, etc.): There was danger lest the plan become known.
Origin:
before 1000; Middle English leste, contraction of the lesse the, thi les the; late Old English the lǣste, earlier thȳ lǣs the, literally, whereby less that ( thȳ instrumental case of the demonstrative and relative pronoun, lǣs less, the relative particle)
Which seems right to the sentiment that "Lest we Forget" is all about.
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Thanks Pinky for trying. Lest still makes no sense. Im either just stupid or pissed. Maybe both.
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Originally posted by Happysteve View PostThanks Pinky for trying. Lest still makes no sense. Im either just stupid or pissed. Maybe both.
(Why, for example, do we say "goodbye" in English as a parting greeting? Because it's a shortened version of what was once "God be with ye". (god be wi' ye -> god b[e wi']ye) …)
The basic thing about "lest" is that, followed by an expression of some action or event, it expresses fear or concern that that action or event might happen and a desire that it should not happen. "Let's do X lest Y happen" means the same as "Let's do X so that Y shall not happen" It is a rather archaic expression and not nowadays in common use, but that is what it expresses in English, and those of us who belong to a generation that grew up with the King James Bible and who were taught in school a thorough grasp of English grammar and of how the language works have understood this since we were very young.
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Originally posted by takochan View PostWhat mrpinkeyes was illustrating (among other things) was the way in which (probably in all languages, not just English) some very old isolated expressions survive amid the changes that all languages go through.
(Why, for example, do we say "goodbye" in English as a parting greeting? Because it's a shortened version of what was once "God be with ye". (god be wi' ye -> god b[e wi']ye) …)
The basic thing about "lest" is that, followed by an expression of some action or event, it expresses fear or concern that that action or event might happen and a desire that it should not happen. "Let's do X lest Y happen" means the same as "Let's do X so that Y shall not happen" It is a rather archaic expression and not nowadays in common use, but that is what it expresses in English, and those of us who belong to a generation that grew up with the King James Bible and who were taught in school a thorough grasp of English grammar and of how the language works have understood this since we were very young.
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In the context of 'Lest we forget,' I perceive the title as being in the context of "otherwise we might forget," which to me makes sense and I had no problem with the perception of the title of this thread. I think it's a nice choice of title and it fits well.
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