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    Just seeing the AW models in these different contexts is fascinating.

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      Update time - some new girls and some corrections.
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        Charlotte E and I just had a new video go live on IFM. I'm on an incredibly slow internet connection here in Canberra so if you're a member over there you'll have to watch it for me, ok?

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          Originally posted by netjay View Post
          No you're not alone.
          For me the BG shoot with Nadine was a big disappointment. It doesn't have the quality of the few Abby BG's. It's boring and some kind of classical hardcore mainstream porn.
          But that's just for me - I was never interested in porn before I found AW.
          All I've seen is the free download of her BG shoot, and yes, it did seem a bit conventional. But I notice that AW's Louisa also has a BG shoot there, and the download looks much more interesting. Antoinette, Joan, Mim (Tara) and Capri (Allegra) also did some good BG photo-shoots for ISM. Now if Kiki, Silvie, Mei and Zasha could persuade their boyfriends to perform with them, I might consider taking out a subscription to GOW...

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            Originally posted by LeoBloom View Post
            Now if Kiki, Silvie, Mei and Zasha could persuade their boyfriends to perform with them, I might consider taking out a subscription to GOW...
            ....and Giselle, of course, how could I have forgotten Giselle? If I could see a BG with Giselle, I'd die a happy man.

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              Originally posted by LeoBloom View Post
              ....and Giselle, of course, how could I have forgotten Giselle? If I could see a BG with Giselle, I'd die a happy man.
              It's lovely to know I could make you die a happy man but it's unlikely that I'd ever do a b/g shoot. Of course, do feel free to use your imagination... perhaps me and Billy Idol circa 1984?

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                I am also on ISM as Ashalind.

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                  Originally posted by Giselle View Post
                  It's lovely to know I could make you die a happy man but it's unlikely that I'd ever do a b/g shoot. Of course, do feel free to use your imagination... perhaps me and Billy Idol circa 1984?
                  Well, you've made me a pretty happy man already, I suppose - just one or two other little details I need to see to complete the picture...

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                    Ok once again, I don't understand all the negative talk towards GoW. It's like many of us have said, if you don't like what they do there, then don't look at it. I'm not trying to "talk up" any company, though I don't think it's fair to compare shoots for 2 completely different websites just because the same model happens to be there. If a model does a shoot for Prada, then does a Rimmel cosmetics shoot-who bitches about it? They are 2 different companies who cater to a similar audience however represent 2 different things.

                    Blabbing about how serene and beautiful a model was on one site and then announcing she's a huge disappointment on another? Please people how many times must it be said? WE ARE REAL WOMEN WITH REAL FEELINGS!!!!!! I am always up for most discussions on the boards, and I'll gladly share stories to an extent to those who like to hear them; however I don't relish in discussions that end up off topic with offensive b.s in them.

                    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick on individuals, however it's discouraging to catch up on a thread I've posted in to read things like that. A simple, "I didn't like it", or "I'm not fond of that site"-that's fine. But "disappointment", "less classy"..think please!
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                      Originally posted by ziggyzen View Post
                      Just seeing the AW models in these different contexts is fascinating.
                      I agree

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                        Originally posted by kristin View Post
                        I agree
                        ... That makes a few thousand of us!

                        Try not to mind those who... oh, don't even let me get started!

                        I think it's great that we can, finally, open up a bit about the different stuff our baby dolls are doing, different challenges they are taking on and it's something a bit "endearing" or whatever, helping us feel even closer, to see how our "friends", if we may be so presumptuous, are doing on different jobs!

                        Rob

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                          Well again, it just seems that quite a few models are being picked on, and I don't appreiciate that considering I'm on those sites. Now I'm going off topic, so I'll try to get back on it.

                          I do enjoy seeing the many different styles of shoots done, even if they aren't on AW, GoW, ISM, etc. They are beautiful and creative, and I like to see them in a different light as many feel that although it is popular-certain shoots don't represent who the are anymore. When I say this I mean it in a sense that they have progressed and are finding their niche' in the world of nude modelling so to speak. I look back at my first shoot here 3 years ago-a giggly nervous 18 year old, and think wow that was me? And others that I've done now that I'm 21 that has grown into my sexuality alot more, and am able to express that much better-though still not in a "mainstream pornstar-y" way.

                          I'm not saying I haven't been able to do that here, I have through meeting other lovely models and such-though I still need to do that redux after all But other places have helped me to do that too-though not all those shoots are up yet.

                          Maybe I am going off topic and I'm just tired and should sleep
                          Ps-I have a double ism with Lea, an IFM, and a few BA, one of which is a double with Joe

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                            I haven't followed this thread closely enough to know what I'm really talking about, (as usual), but I would just offer that a "negativity" I once posted, re GOW, well over a year ago wasn't, so much borne of nastiness as borne of some affection and admiration for one of the models we like to pretend is our "own", whom I found doing a much less flattering and classy IM over at GOW. I had a certain near-reverence for this model and, simply, found it disconcerting to find her in a rather cheesy setting, an awkward pose, nearly upside-down, managing an orgasm in the trunk of a VW or similar. It was like, "what have they done to our Xxxxxx?"

                            Oops! I wasn't going to mention any names!

                            Funny. As far as I know, Xxxxxx is a beautiful, quiet, sweetie as she appears. Still, for all I know, she could be a tough-as-nails, chain-smoking, Los Angeles porn producer today!
                            Last edited by FloridaRob; 15 August 2009, 09:45 PM. Reason: Got the name out. I really meant her no insult at all!

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                              Mentioning names is less classy yeah.. keeping it more generic is much nicer.

                              It's somewhat dangerous to idolize any model/girl who you've only seen in a couple of shoots on this site. Esp. if you then go watch other sites, you run the risk of seeing your perception shattered or at least changed. Hence me saying that not ALL knowledge makes for happiness

                              If you prefer to see girls the way AW shoots them, well stick to AW.. it's easy really

                              Now be a nice member and get the name out, OK?

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                                OK, Frans, I did. I just want to be sure it's clear I was trying to show how the root of any negative feelings toward competing sites can be based on warm feelings toward "our own" girls or girls we like to think of as our own. Once we know them, "intimately", it's easy to have feelings of protectiveness, etc.

                                I haven't read the posts that were upsetting Kristin but it sounded like they must have criticized the models rather than the other sites. I would never think to criticize Xxxxxx or any other lovely we have known here!

                                Beyond that, I was just teasing myself about how it might be possible to, totally, misread any model. As with all things, they might be the opposite of what they appear! From our subscriber perspective, we will never know whether true acquaintances of a particular model could be choking in the halls of AWHQ at some of what they read the subscribers saying about this one or that. Surely, they haven't all been perfect angels!

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                                  Hi Rob. I think I know where you're coming from. I'm sure, like many others here, I too harbour feelings of protectiveness towards the AW gang and am jealously hurt when I hear that they share their charms on other sites.

                                  Imp

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                                    Originally posted by FloridaRob View Post
                                    Personally, I will confess, now, to being a bit disappointed by Nadine. She was among the most beautiful, serene models ever seen here. Yet she found herself more ensconced in the somewhat less "classy" show at GOW. Personally, I'm a bit out in the cold over Nadine, sadly! Maybe I'm alone??
                                    Originally posted by netjay View Post
                                    No you're not alone.
                                    For me the BG shoot with Nadine was a big disappointment. It doesn't have the quality of the few Abby BG's. It's boring and some kind of classical hardcore mainstream porn
                                    Alright I'm not out to attack, but it is this kind of thing that offends me...and her name popped up in the email as a reply to thread, so I already knew who you were talking about before it was edited. Again everyone has their right to their opinion, and not everyone is going to agree, but it's hurtful to hear things like this...

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                                      I personally am not comfortable with the idea of ownership some people seem to have.

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                                        OMG!

                                        Didn't mean, remotely, any offense to Nadine. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

                                        Certainly meant no offense to Kristin. (Kristin, clearly, we barely know each other!) I just waded, late, as I said, into the discussion with what I intended to be a positive-spirited approach to the debate that had, apparently, been going on here. As I said, I really hadn't even read what preceded my posts.

                                        Finally, I meant no "offense" by trying to explain how positive feelings toward models who have shared themselves with us in so many different ways can translate into what I would have thought was a "healthy" and "admirable" sense of concern, maybe "ownership" in a positive way, toward our friends here on the site and on the message boards. Silly me, but I might have, actually, thought it would be appreciated, received warmly, by models involved. Certainly, it's only intended in the most healthy, positive, and supportive way.

                                        Somehow, I seem, after several years, to be hitting some sour notes, totally unintentional and totally unexpected, here and there on our message board. For that reason, I think I should duck out for a while. I guess it's me. It will take some time to sort that out. I'll still be subscribing and still be glancing over the messages but I guess I just need to back off for a while.

                                        Again, I love you all, never meant any real or half-real "offense" to anyone here, anyone past, etc. etc.!

                                        Laterz!!

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                                          Message boards are a great way to communicate but without voice and facial expressions it's really important to pick and choose words very carefully.

                                          As members you've all seen our most intimate parts, witnessed our private moments and have seen things our best friends haven't even seen us do (well, except for mine, she filmed me...). We chat on the message boards, post pictures in our threads and some of you have even met a couple of us. I understand that this fosters a sense of concern and 'ownership' and by golly, that's awesome for business, but you must also consider how expressing that sense of 'ownership' might make some people feel.

                                          I've been on the site for 3 years now (Abby and Garion probably panic every time they see my name pop up as the last person who posted on a thread) and I think my rather strong personality and way of thinking busts it's way through in every post I make. If a member knows anything about me it's that I'm bold, independent and hate being told what to do. When a member posts negative comments about my shoots or doesn't fancy me it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I've worked as a model and dancer for years, I deal with face to face rejection on a daily basis and it's not an issue, different strokes for different folks. However, try and tell me what to do/what I should have done/what I shouldn't do and lord have mercy! I really don't care if it makes me sound irresponsible or ignorant to the 'ways of the world' but I'm still young and the number one priority in my life right now is to be free. If anyone expressed that they felt ownership of me I'd be resentful, both on the internet and in real life. Hell, my mum tries to tell me what to do and I give her 'that look'. Parents, you know what look I'm talking about... it makes you want to backhand us.

                                          Rob, there's no reason to duck out, I love talking with you on the boards. We (both models and members) are complete human beings but people will only know of us the parts that we share with them. And with this in mind we may choose to show different people/audiences/websites particular aspects of our personalities because it is relevant and appropriate. We also reserve other aspects of our personalities that are no less relevant yet not perceived as appropriate, right?

                                          By the way, it might be my goal in life to be a tough-as-nails, chain-smoking, Los Angeles porn producer whom is married to Brad Pitt. Who has no vices what so ever. He is perfect and he is mine and Angelina doesn't appreciate him and his fertility at all. We will marry in Vegas and attend swingers parties on the first Saturday of every month. I know everything about him (he's a Sagittarius too, we're destined to be together) and will cast him in my movies, the first of which will be called 'Makin' Babies With Brad". That is all.

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                                            ... Who, ME, going somewhere?

                                            Giselle, I am, indeed going to lighten up, quite a bit, on my visibility here but, on finding your long, sweet, and candid comments in my email post notifications, I felt it would be the decent thing to reappear and thank you for that time and thoughtfulness.

                                            I seem to be having a string of misfires, not just here but in a couple of other threads and it's disconcerting and grates on my own "self-image" as an easy-going, loving, and wouldn't hurt a flea type of guy when I see I've upset or offended people. What I've learned is that, as we all know, message boards can't replace face-to-face communication so we have to be particularly careful to write well and not even depend on the smilies, (one of my favorite joking subjects with Luxman). Beyond that, however, I realize that there is even more distance than I can imagine between a middle-aged guy in the eastern U.S. and the bright, independent souls, mostly from the other side of the world, who populate our sights and thoughts here at AW.

                                            Your comments inspire me to give lots of thought to the relationships between love, concern, ownership, all of that, where they rightfully belong, and how they can or should be communicated, if at all. I can't even express much on this topic right now, with any clarity, as I need to go think about all that for a while.

                                            In the time I've been a subscriber here, which, I believe is a year or two longer than it appears, due to an account prob inelegantly solved, I have gone from parenting 14 and 17 year olds to 19 and 22 at present. That's a big swing and, believe me, we are reeling from trying to adjust to the expected (and earned or due) new liberties. Miss 19 years old has been hundreds of miles from home since just turning 17, and a year before "uni", nearly on her own in a big city full of universities. She was, also, in Greece for a semester just after turning 18. My kids don't want to be "owned", I didn't want to be "owned", and, certainly, I can understand how you don't want to be "owned" by your own family, much less the likes of me! Understood! You express that most eloquently in contrasting it with the other ways in which you have no problem sharing yourself.

                                            I need to learn to both think and convey reasonable affection and reasonable, human, concern for the well-being of our friends here without doing it in a way that makes them, in the least bit, uncomfortable since that is the last thing I'd ever intend. Don't mean to seem either "parenting" or "controlling". I need to watch that and maintain careful separation there.

                                            Anyway, IslandRobert and I are doing just fine after a rough start to a thread I started, classic message board misunderstanding finally tamed. I've offered what I can to Fotina whom I pissed off, (again!), and hopefully, Frans will forgive me for posting a picture of a clothed 16 year old American pop star making a fish face for a self-pic that was widely-distributed on the Internet. I think I, even, put off Sue-Ann , somewhat, a few months back.

                                            So, I'll duck in, here and there, but I need to take some time off and think and grow and such as that.

                                            Thanks, hugely, for all you are and all you share with us and for your thoughtful message to me. I wish you and all here only the best!

                                            Rob
                                            Last edited by FloridaRob; 17 August 2009, 10:52 AM. Reason: missing word, "by" (your own family...)

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                                              All that aside, the second half of my video with Charlotte E went up on IFM a few days ago. I've also done yet to be released videos with Patience and AnnaBelle Lee so if you're a member keep an eye out for them.

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                                                Originally posted by Giselle View Post
                                                All that aside, the second half of my video with Charlotte E went up on IFM a few days ago.
                                                Both halves are absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!!

                                                Originally posted by Giselle View Post
                                                I've also done yet to be released videos with Patience and AnnaBelle Lee so if you're a member keep an eye out for them.
                                                Sure will! What a treat that will be!!!

                                                Thanks for the advance notice!

                                                凧ちゃん

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                                                  Okay, I'm stumbling into this conversation a little bit late, but I do find this whole "ownership"/"possessiveness" thing interesting. One of the big things about Abby is that we're not on a contract, and are free to get naked for other people if we so desire. But of course, this can backfire for some members, who have gotten used to our "Abby personas". Yes, we are basically the selves that we portray on AW, but the fact remains that we are invariably being an edited part of our personalities, and it seems that many members fall in love with that edited personality, and are then absolutely poleaxed when they discover a different side of us. I myself don't necessarily interpret that as possessiveness, but rather as some people not wanting to have their ideals shattered. Totally understandable, but I think we need to remember that every person has a thousand faces, and we should be able to appreciate them all. I myself am delighted when I get to see a different side to a model I like - the variety in which Giselle comes (no pun intended) is an excellent example of that.

                                                  But yes, I think we all need our freedom of expression, so it would be silly to limit us to the comparatively fluffy rainbows and bunnyrabbits land that is AW, when we also happen to love our latex or bondage or some sort of gritty artistic statement. I know I've been writing up all sorts of shoot ideas that I would like to pursue, but that would not necessarily be Abby material. And that's totally cool - Abby has its place in all of our hearts, but so do many other things.

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                                                    Immie I do agree that AW does allow you models to be free but also edits the personality a bit. I would love to hear some of your shoot ideas, even the ones AW would never consider. I am glad that AW allows its models to enjoy other sites as well. I think it is an amazing opportunity.

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                                                      Originally posted by Giselle View Post
                                                      All that aside, the second half of my video with Charlotte E went up on IFM a few days ago. I've also done yet to be released videos with Patience and AnnaBelle Lee so if you're a member keep an eye out for them.

                                                      Both halves are absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!!
                                                      I heartily concur with Takochan, absolutely splendid Ahh if Patience can be enticed to the front of the camera on IFM, one can perhaps be forgiven for entertaining some hopes that...

                                                      tom

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                                                        Immie, there is so much wisdom and commonsense in what you wrote (reproduced below). I completely share your delight in seeing different sides to models you like — indeed, during the years I've been an AW member, seeing models I care about reveal hitherto unseen aspects of themselves (e.g. expressing passionately held views about things on the discussion boards, or an expression of wellnigh feral lust exploding on the face and in the eyes of a model whom I've tended to perceive as somewhat demure and coolly elegant in her demeanour...etc, etc, etc), seeing them develop and grow — not just in their sexuality but as whole people — has been one of the abiding joys in my experience of this site (I must say, Immie, your priceless characterization of Abbyland in terms of fluffy rainbows and bunnyrabbits really made me chortle — you have a wonderful flair for the humorous (as well as the serious) mot juste.)


                                                        Perhaps this aspect of my enjoyment of AW has something to do with my being old enough to be the parent of a daughter in her mid-thirties, who has passed through all the phases of being our baby/toddler/excited little girl off on her first day at school/teenager/uni student/ young graduate embarking on life in the workforce and other adult life experiences, and so on... (I don't mean that I have parental feelings toward AW models, and I hope the above doesn't come across to anyone as creepily incestuous because it's not meant that way at all). I think your notion of some members falling in love with an "edited personality" (and then being being shocked when, inevitably, the adored ones "step out of character" — in other words, act as the autonomous human beings that they really are) has a lot of truth in it. Indeed, to some extent I've probably from time to time got unthinkingly hooked by a stereotyped perception of this model or that — but never to such an extent as to feel distress (indeed, rather the opposite) when something the model concerned did or something she wrote on the boards broke the mould created in my own mind.

                                                        As you say,Immie, every person has many different faces. We humans are complex creatures (even the simplest among us), and to deny that complexity — still worse, to expect models to deny themselves its expression — is, IMHO, something I'd go so far as to call a sin against humanity.

                                                        Long live — in Abbyland also — the freedom of expression whose banner you so eloquently hold aloft!!

                                                        love from

                                                        凧ちゃん

                                                        Originally posted by immie View Post
                                                        I do find this whole "ownership"/"possessiveness" thing interesting. One of the big things about Abby is that we're not on a contract, and are free to get naked for other people if we so desire. But of course, this can backfire for some members, who have gotten used to our "Abby personas". Yes, we are basically the selves that we portray on AW, but the fact remains that we are invariably being an edited part of our personalities, and it seems that many members fall in love with that edited personality, and are then absolutely poleaxed when they discover a different side of us. I myself don't necessarily interpret that as possessiveness, but rather as some people not wanting to have their ideals shattered. Totally understandable, but I think we need to remember that every person has a thousand faces, and we should be able to appreciate them all. I myself am delighted when I get to see a different side to a model I like - the variety in which Giselle comes (no pun intended) is an excellent example of that.

                                                        But yes, I think we all need our freedom of expression, so it would be silly to limit us to the comparatively fluffy rainbows and bunnyrabbits land that is AW, when we also happen to love our latex or bondage or some sort of gritty artistic statement. I know I've been writing up all sorts of shoot ideas that I would like to pursue, but that would not necessarily be Abby material. And that's totally cool - Abby has its place in all of our hearts, but so do many other things.
                                                        Last edited by takochan; 20 August 2009, 03:46 AM. Reason: correcting punctuation and clarifying one or two things

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                                                          silky, I am actually going to keep my ideas secret-ish, because I want to use them myself and not have someone else filch them. :-) I hope you understand. But I do have plans to realise a few of them reasonably soon, and on some of Abby's "sister sites", so I can let you guys know when something of the sort comes up. In the meantime, you'll just have to be patient, I'm afraid.

                                                          Aw, thanks, takochan. :-) Nice to hear when my articulate waffles are appreciated, I sometimes wonder if it makes me come across as a bit of a snob. But yes, I think the desire to believe in an edited personality is common enough, and hardly exclusive to Abby - after all, how many people fall in love with the "bad girl/boy" and delude themselves that underneath the badness hides a sweet and demure little angel? I've seen it a couple of times, and have in fact had someone fall for me in that way, even though they were in love with a fictional me, and not the person I really was. Yes, interactions are so much more satisfactory in our own heads sometimes, but if we do that, we may as well never leave our rooms.

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                                                            I think I'm going to disagree. I have put my whole self into every darn photo and video and every post on AW, GOW, ISM, IFM, and BA.. and I don't think I have an edited personality at all.

                                                            I haven't hidden anything, although I understand the desire to, it's a simple fact there's nothing else to me. Sure, I could keep doing videos and you'd learn more trivia and certainly I've grown up a lot since my first solo - so you'd see me change, but I never want anyone to think I'm fake in anyway, but no means am I suggesting this was your meaning Immie, nor holding back or putting on a girlie persona.

                                                            I adore the possessiveness, the feeling of meaning something to someone and being desired. It only works if I am myself.

                                                            I remember once asking a guy in the post production department about the videos of mine he had to edit, and literally he snipped the beginning and end off one and didn't edit anything else out!

                                                            Sue-ann ^_^

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                                                              And I've watched every single moment, most several times. Just yesterday I watched the Sue Ann-Anthea video. GULP! ("Do you want me? Tell me.") You are pure Sue Ann, and the most bewitching creature in the entire universe. Will we ever see more?

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