big changes at abbywinters.com

[Misteramiable]

Garionhall, sexiness, like the erotic, is something different to every pair of eyes. Most here would probably agree that natural models behaving naturally in natural light is about as sexy as it gets. Remove any, or all of these elements, and the chances of 'sexiness' diminish. There's really no need to work at it.
To borrow an old cliche: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[garionhall]

point taken. But we can certainly continue refining what we do, to ensure the maximum amount of sexiness appears in each shoot, and every opportunitity is explored. We regularly get feedback (presumably, not from you!) that there is a lot of work we need to do to improve "sexiness", and that's what we're working on. I'm sure you'll (and everyone, really) let us know if we go in the wrong direction.

[Misteramiable]

If by 'improving' sexiness, you go along the route, or even part-way along the route that mainstream porn has taken, then you will fail; unless, of course, you see the future of AW in mainstream porn. I, as a returning member, hope that isn't the case.

I have a suggestion. Create a special shoot - one with an accompanying questionnaire; a shoot with several 'what could happen now' options. The questions can be based on a variety of factors: the appearance of the model(s), how she/they undress, what she/they do, lighting, setting, degree of intimacy / strength, etc. Let all models and members answer.
It would be fun to do, and hopefully enlightening.

[wolfgangbuster29]

If by 'improving' sexiness, you go along the route, or even part-way along the route that mainstream porn has taken, then you will fail; unless, of course, you see the future of AW in mainstream porn. I, as a returning member, hope that isn't the case...

I think Garion is aware of that all-too-well and he's got the right stuff that dictates AW will always lead the way in adult entertainment as it always has. There are enough of us here as living proof that there is market acceptance for natural beauty, as AW represents. To heck with what all the other porn czars try to make people think or believe.

[Misteramiable]

I hope you are right, wolfgangbuster29. Just remember this: the CEO of a business is concerned with one thing - the success of the company. And in aiming to achieve this success, the directions taken may not be to everyone's liking. You say 'there are enough of us here', but more to the point, how many are not here, but could be? Maybe to some the site is lacking 'sexiness'!
But let's be optimistic.

[bulldogm3]

Garion, Why don't you think about a US-based office? While you will certainly see much success in Europe, you can also see great success here. We don't have the media classification laws found in Australia. This may be one of the advantages of living with a Bill of Rights. Much of free speech here, including most video production, is beyond censorship. Our courts are even not allowing the banning of computer-generated sexual images appearing to represent children. Los Angeles, Southern California, and the deserts in Arizona and Nevada have been locations used by the competition for outdoor shoots. Also, Mexico, Baja California, perhaps. And much of the industry here could use the ethical competition; the respect you give the models. Think about bringing some production here. Your niche is unique. Think about offering American women the same opportunities for expression and actualization you offered in Australia and will be offering in Europe.

[Gibbo335]

Hi all, Not currently able to get on the site much so have only just discovered this thread. I personally am going to miss the abundance of beautiful Aussie girls and their wonderful, to me, accents. Strangely, I'm also going to miss seeing the fabulous Australian scenery in the outdoor shoots and the background noises of bird calls etc. Otherwise, I'm not particularly worried about the other feared changes because it's still going to be run by the same person (Garion) and several of the regular, fabulous, Aussie staff, so I think that the site won't change that much at all - it's their Australian approach/attitude that makes it what it is, not where it is based. Good luck with the move and all that goes with it and I look forward to seeing the beautiful new, mainly European girls. Now Amsterdam's going to have three great things about it for me - beautiful views, the "special" cafe's and AW!

[evangeline]

If you need a french/english interpreter to translate for French models, be sure to give me a bell!

[casgrain]

If you need a french/english interpreter to translate for French models, be sure to give me a bell!

Hello there stranger, long time no see. Hope all is well in your life. You should revive your thread.

[wolfgangbuster29]

Okay one thing that has me puzzled and even a bit confused about the need for AW to locate due to laws and legislations, how is it that it seems other sites like GOW, IFM and ISM get to stay in Aus, even though they are adult sites? This doesn't make sense.

[Chico_Hamilton]

And GOW is far more explicit and extreme than AW. I far prefer AW, some of the shots on GOW are too way out.

[tjsunray]

Just my observation!...maybe because AW does not "In their opinion" fit the "Mainstream/Cookie Cutter/with Labiaplasty type Vaginas Pornography Category"

AW's, IMO is leaning more towards the "Homegrown/Amatuer" genre... just a thought!

[wolfgangbuster29]

Just my observation!...maybe because AW does not "In their opinion" fit the "Mainstream/Cookie Cutter/with Labiaplasty type Vaginas Pornography Category"

AW's, IMO is leaning more towards the "Homegrown/Amatuer" just a thought!

Well, do the other sites I mentioned not conform to that either? You'd think because a good many of the AW girls are on those sites as well.

[immie]

wolfgang: Well, I hate to be a pessimist, but I am somewhat worried about the sites you mentioned getting to stay in Oz - now that AW is no longer there to take the heat, I'm sure the law will come after the smaller companies. :-/ Once again, it's a case of having to see if we can change that damn law. Perhaps we will have a better chance if we can vote in a less puritanical PM than our current one... after all, the next federal election is probably going to be pretty soon.

As for the amateur thing: well, the different sites all have a slightly different take on it, but AW is certainly the one that revels in the amateur image. :-) The other sites (like IFM) are not all "no make-up" and all that.

Garion, I am curious as to what you mean with amping up the "sexiness". I hope it will not be at the expense with the friendly chilled-out banter between the girls, or with the camera. Well, I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

[tjsunray]

Well, do the other sites I mentioned not conform to that either? You'd think because a good many of the AW girls are on those sites as well.

I'm not too familiar with GOW or ISM... i remember just surfing their site briefly last year and it was because (for me) too mainstrem that i wasn't interested

but will agree with you about IFM...who knows why they picked on AW?...I guess in time we'll find out!

[tom2c7777]

I'm not too familiar with GOW or ISM... i remember just surfing their site briefly last year and it was because (for me) too mainstrem that i wasn't interested

but will agree with you about IFM...who knows why they picked on AW?...I guess in time we'll find out!

Probably because AW is the biggest and has the most visible presence, coupled by what seems to be a particular interest by a section of the press, who brought a 'dossier of concerns' to the attention of the authorities. Once formally notified the authorities had to act, whether or not they particularly wanted to. As to whether the same will obtain for other providers now that AW has gone will be interesting to see, perhaps there may be a return to "letting sleeping dogs lie", although that may be difficult to do, now that there's a court decision and concomitant legal precedent in support of the statutes.

tom

[aff_1329]

I probably shouldn't speculate wildly without knowing all the facts - but perhaps it is something to do with the fact that AW produces DVDs, and the other sites don't. DVD's are something the law knows how to deal with, content hosted outside of Australia is another kettle of fish, and probably in their too hard basket.... then again shooting the explicit content in Australia seems to be the problem, not just the DVDs...

[foolsfortune]

So quiet out there... Are they currently moving or have they already moved and are settling into their new digs?

[Peter52]

If you need a french/english interpreter to translate for French models, be sure to give me a bell!

Evangeline! The first thing I thought when I saw this thread was "maybe they can fly over some of those awesome models that went back to Britain or Ireland, like Evangeline"

Any chance you might do another shoot for the European Abby?

[kristin]

I probably shouldn't speculate wildly without knowing all the facts - but perhaps it is something to do with the fact that AW produces DVDs, and the other sites don't. DVD's are something the law knows how to deal with, content hosted outside of Australia is another kettle of fish, and probably in their too hard basket.... then again shooting the explicit content in Australia seems to be the problem, not just the DVDs...

I was just about to post that. It isn't that other sites aren't being "picked on" as many of you say-Feck and GOW are in fact facing similar bans within Australia. However as they do not produce dvd's for sale here or overseas, there is less notice on what they are doing. And while they may be banned within Aus, they can still shoot here, just not distribute here; ie there websites are not visible in Australia; if I'm not mistaken. I'm not 100% on these laws, and there's the chance they may not be brought in at all. Though that is unlikely.

[garionhall]

So quiet out there... Are they currently moving or have they already moved and are settling into their new digs?

Um. Who? Where? Who's "they"?

We're still here (on the net), and we always will be. Our move won't affect that!

[Frans]

I was just about to post that. It isn't that other sites aren't being "picked on" as many of you say-Feck and GOW are in fact facing similar bans within Australia. However as they do not produce dvd's for sale here or overseas, there is less notice on what they are doing. And while they may be banned within Aus, they can still shoot here, just not distribute here.

The DVD stuff is *easier* since that has been done before. The Victorian (pun fully intended) laws , e.g. the 'Classification Publications, Films and Computer Games Act 1995' don't make much distinction between say dvd or online material.

The actual clause is "A person must not, for the purpose of gain, make or produce an objectionable film. " Which is fine and dandy, until you get to the last definition of 'objectionable film' in Vic; "Objectionable film means a film or an advertisement for a film, not being an approved advertisement, that- (d) is classified RC or X 18+ or would, classified, be classified RC or X18+ or has been, or would be, refused approval, as the case requires; "

Now I've never been a member of GoW but I'm reasonably sure their material is more X18+ than Abby's Do btw. note that 'produce' covers a whole lot more than just recording the material in a different location.

Heh, check it out.. from the ACMA website "The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) is a government agency responsible for the regulation of broadcasting, the internet, radiocommunications and telecommunications. ". I knew they wanted to control the internet, but I've not seen it mentioned this explicitly (heh) yet

They're just protecting all Australians from the evils of internet you understand

No such problems in the Netherlands of course, esp. not in Amsterdam

[aff_1329]

ie there websites are not visible in Australia; if I'm not mistaken.

This isn't true is it? Or is it? can someone in Aus confirm this?

[bulldogm3]

What is surprising to me, is that Victoria is essentially forfeiting the tax revenues heretofore payable by G Media, its affiliates (i.e. Abby), and its employees. I thought that this kind of shortsightedness happened only in some states in the US!! There's open prostitution in Melbourne, adult stores (one of which, Pleasures, showed in one of Petria's (?) videos. Yet Aussie adults won't be able to view pornography on the internet--they will only be able to go buy it in the stores--unless Vic closes the stores, too. Such wonderful brilliance in government.!! I only hope that Garion and his friends come to the US to shoot some of our women. They deserve the same opportunities as those from Europe, and which Australian women used to avail themselves of and enjoy. Government is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO intelligent!!

[goldowl]

I heartily agree with the sentiments posted so far. I have been a member for about four years and plan to stay. I wish you all the very best on the move and am quite sure that you will keep the site the wonderful place it is now.

[Frans]

ie there websites are not visible in Australia; if I'm not mistaken.

This isn't true is it? Or is it? can someone in Aus confirm this?

It's not true yet, however the Australian Government is working on a firewall project that will block access to sites on certain list. That list was leaked to the general public months ago and guess what site was on it?

[mrpinkeyes]

It's not true yet, however the Australian Government is working on a firewall project that will block access to sites on certain list. That list was leaked to the general public months ago and guess what site was on it?

So what happens if you have 8 months left on your AW subs?? Will credits from AW be offered?? I don't and I don't live in OZ but I like to know these things.
Also... I was thinking and once again I don't but what happens if you signed up to Abby Winters for the Aussie content, you still have 11 months to run and now its all moved to Europe?? Will credits from AW be offered if someone wants to stop his membership??

ok.... I'll go back to my dark corner now

[Slayer8DG]

Well, with regards to the changes, I am disappointed, since the whole Aussie angle quite appealed to me. However, being an on/off again member for six years (longest off stretch for 3 months when computer broke), I am confident the quality and uniqueness, as well as general feel of the site will remain intact with the move. I, for one, have no intention of going anywhere. My heart belongs to this site and all it's wonderful and amazing models, and despite the less Aussie, look forward to what will come in the future!

(Although I do want to move to Australia quite a bit less now...)

[sterling3]

filter-equals a much slower net times ,no matter what connection you have,maybe that'll be enough to get them voted out of office --maybe---

[LessThanSimple]

I have only skimmed the majority of this thread but I felt that I needed to chime in. I am incredibly dissapointed. I love this site because it is full of sexy amateur Australian girls. There are far too many European and American sites in the world and none of them have the same friendly feel of this site, I really really don't wont another one. I will continue my subscription though, for the time being.

As for the accents changing, no accent is as sexy as Australian. None.