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    #31
    I love Australia and all the wonderful people I have met while on numerous trips to Oz, but right now, Australia definitely should be ashamed of itself. As Jacki and Lux have said so eloquently, there is simply no reason at all that any adult should be told by any government what material they can peruse. Obscenity is just one person's opinion and to be in a position of power, such as a person in a position to pass legislation and therefore "enforce" one's opinion on others, disregarding what anyone else may think, is the worst abuse of power possible, and in my book, a hideous crime. Let's hope that one day, people will wake up, and not only repeal such hurtful legislation, but punish those responsible by removing them from office permanently and perhaps hand out some heavy fines and jail time. Knowingly denying adults their right to choose the material they wish to view deserves such punishment.

    And btw, I sure hope that internet filter legislation doesn't go through in Australia. I refuse to have a legislated internet filter. If that ever happened here, the internet for me would be history. I'd never use it again.
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      #32
      Originally posted by laktor View Post
      I am surprised that you can't just continue to produce the more explicit shoots in Canberra as it is legal there. And what about lower level shoots such as solo and girl-girl fun shoots such as fitball girls? These are simple nude shoots and cannot be considered porn by anyone, even in Australia?
      We could continue producing the "lower level" shoots here, but there is more to the site than that, as you appreciate. Canberra is not a long term viable options, unfortunately.

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        #33
        All I can say really is "Thanks and good luck in Amsterdam!". I've had a wonderful time working with AW and I will definitely be staying on the site, chatting to members and uploading some pics so you'll still be seeing plenty of me! I won't be shooting with the amazing Patience or Charlie ( ) but I'll definitely upload an explicit pic or two to keep the love going I'm sure you guys will do really well in Europe, there will be lots of sexy local girls and LOADS of tourists from all over the world you can shoot! Imagine how many different people travel to Amsterdam every year! It'll be great seeing what you can do overseas. Best of luck, Love Everette xoxo

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          #34
          Originally posted by sweatyfox View Post
          Why Amsterdam in particular? I love the Netherlands and that city and there are lots of sexy Dutch girls passing through. However I am worried about a couple of things.
          Amsterdam is cool, fun, exciting. It's also quite central in western Europe. Of course it's not the only city that meets those criteria, but we have to choose somewhere, right?

          1) I wonder if it is really the most convenient location for models to travel to and whether you will be able to spread the word far and wide enough to different countries here. I'd love the thought of French, German, Spanish, Italian, English, Irish etc etc girls posing for the site. However it is not always cheap or convenient for example for a sexy Spanish girl to travel all the way from Madrid to Amsterdam.
          Sure, but that's the same as Dutch models travelling to Madrid from Rotterdam. This is kinda funny for an Australian, where you can drive for 16 hours straight and not see another soul (let alone a city in a different country!). Europe is frighteningly close together for us, and I think we're going to experience some pretty severe culture shock.

          In short, I think your concern could be applied to any city we choose, so Amsterdam is as good as any other.

          2) The potential pool there. Yes there are many sexy Dutch girls and girls on their travels passing through. However I would have thought there was a larger potential in a bigger international hub such as London, Berlin or Paris where not only are the local girls beautiful but you also have people from all over the world passing through or living there. Do you think if all goes well you might be able to open another sub-office in one of these cities?
          Again, my experience of the cities you mention indicates there are actually a lot of similarities between the them (and many European cities) in terms of travellers. Opening a sub office is certainly an option.

          3) The English speaking issue. Now us Brits are shameful in our record of speaking languages and I recognise that our continental European friends often shame us with their speaking of up to 5 different languages and their high standard of English. However you can't automatically expect this to be the case. It is easier in Australia to get to girls doing a T3 to feel comfortable with each other as they can chat away and discover what each other likes. Could the rapport be as warm between an English girl who speaks no French and a French girl who speaks no English? Would it be very easy for you or your staffers to explain to someone who isn't very proficient in English what the site is all about, what kind of girls you are looking for and even to interview them in the video? From this perspective somewhere like London would make more sense despite the higher probable costs of locating here initially.
          Ah, but we speak the only one tru international language, love! But seriously, in our experience, it's difficlut to find a western European woman aged between 18 and 24 who cannot speak pretty good English.

          Additionally, we'll be learning dutch (and Chloe B is fluent in several languages already). We currently have a policy that any model who we judge canot understand the info session (that all models go through before they start doing shoots with us), we don't shoot them. We'll keep that policy in place, but we'll expand our languages as necessary.

          So, in short, yes, this may be a problem, but it's not insurmountable.

          Do you think that in the same way as you did trips to Canberra, you might actually be able to come over here to London for example for a few days and shoot some models?
          Quite possiubly, tho airfares are pretty cheap in Europe (as they are in Australia as well, as there is huge competition), so model flying to us might be more suitable. But, we may travel to find different locations, or warmer weather (as we have done here in Australia). So, nothing's off the table, in this regard, but we don't have firm plans to do so, right now. We're going to get there, and see what it's like!

          Please keep things like the natural flowing non scripted girl/girl shoots and the pubic hair friendly nature of the site.

          Of course, this will not change!

          PS The thing that really makes me sniff is that I won't get to witness the return of Immie in particular and a few other girls I had hoped might have one or two more hurrahs. Is there absolutely no way to postpone your departure for a few weeks more?
          We won't be doing any more explciit (or T3) shoots here in Australia, but we have invited all our models to come visit us in Amsterdam, where, if they are interested, and we have shoot slots available, we'd be delighted to shoot!

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            #35
            Originally posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
            Q. Does this mean that all the shoots in the vault waiting to be launched will never make it to the web?? Im talking more the stuff made in Victoria before shooting went out of state?? Or does this mean because you are no longer in Oz you can release all material no matter where it was shot??
            The shoots in the "vault" will make it to the site.

            Q. When do you expect the first "European shoots" to hit the web site??
            Roughly, mid to late September.

            Q. With relocation costs and Europe being sooo expensive do you expect this means subs will increase??
            We certainly hope not, but I cannot make any promises around that. Tell more of your friends to join AW, and it's less likely!

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              #36
              Originally posted by littlemutt View Post
              Garion,
              All your pals and fans at LittleMutt wish you the very best in your move to Amsterdam. Over the years you have consistently raised the bar for those of us who think this business can be ethical and positive. I know your high standards and the great creativity you have enforced through the years will certainly bring a great adventure and even greater work.
              Sal Paradise
              Aww thanks guys! keep up the good work.

              I have not measured to see if we are closer to you, or further away...

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                #37
                Thanks Garion

                This update is saddening, I love all the ladies at AW, and will miss the Aussie angle.

                They say you are producing illegal porn??? I bet they didn't look at the good your site has done. With the drive for funds after the fires.

                I hope to see you do good in the future.

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                  #38
                  I've been to Amsterdam and other places in Holland and everybody understands and can speak English there. Even a lot of the radio stations there are in English!

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                    #39
                    Perhaps one of the concerns we share in is whether the models within the new realm of Amsterdam will be inclined to join in with us in the forums. I can see where the concern would arise from the notion that a greater number of models encountered will undoubtedly be from a different pool of International cultures and perhaps with that would come a decreased level of enthusiasm among the models to chime in on the boards and create their own threads & what-not but I certainly hope I'm wrong on that. What do you feel the future for that particular aspect might hold?

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                      #40
                      I think it's too early to speculate on that. Obviously, I hope models will continue to be involved, and we'll be encouraging them to do so.

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                        #41
                        I myself can see that the new models would be encouraged to join us once they get a look around as we have developed for ourselves quite the track record for being one of the friendliest and liveliest forums around.

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                          #42
                          I had a feeling that legal troubles would soon force some changes. But, with the new CMS and your plans to start up a new site in After Dark, I had hoped the changes would not be drastic or permanent, i.e. closure of the site. I'm glad to hear that you've found a new locale that will be not only be legal, but allow you to operate in the open. Even here in the US, the supposed "land of freedom", porn is still very much taboo. Freedom of expression, especially sexual, is constantly being bombarded by the ultra-conservatives. Amsterdam seems to be a perfect choice, albeit a bit colder and drearier year round than Australia. As long as the core values of the site, natural, mostly amateur girl-next-door type models, and unscripted lovin, remain the same then I'll gladly continue supporting AW. We'll miss all the beautiful Aussie and other models we have known over the years, but I'm sure there's a bevy of European beauties just waiting for y'all to get there!!

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by garionhall View Post
                            I think it's too early to speculate on that. Obviously, I hope models will continue to be involved, and we'll be encouraging them to do so.
                            Hopefully that'll be the case, people are pretty much the same wherever they are so I can't forsee European girls being much different in that regard to Australians, especially as they will be at home and not travelling.
                            Fingers crossed that many of the ladies we've come to know and love will remain active on the boards, becoming part of a lovely new mix.

                            I'm heartened to read so many positive responses.

                            tom

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                              #44
                              I believe that girls in Europe tend to sport the shaved look, so you may have problems finding the natural pubes in your new locale. Less full bushes makes me not happy, but perhaps you can "persuade" some to grow their pubes a bit? I hope so!

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                                #45
                                Speaking from Europe, I believe that a lot of girls here sport pubic hair!
                                But seriously, let me assure other who have posted on this column that Amsterdam is an excellent hub, and very quick and easy to reach from France, Germany, Scandinavia and UK (40 minutes flight from London). And Dutch girls...
                                And here's another member who sends his warmest wishes for the enterprise and will stick around as a member
                                Last edited by hippoid; 2 June 2010, 07:05 AM.

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                                  #46
                                  I've been an AW member, on and off, for 5 years now and I wasn't expecting the "big changes" to be as big as this.

                                  Your achievements from a relatively small and isolated nation have been immense over the years. There will be numerable more opportunities here in Europe and the "Made in Australia" tag may have to be dropped.

                                  I have just one request. There have been many girls from the UK on AW in the past and I'm now hoping to see even more British girls on the future.

                                  Good Luck and all the best.

                                  L.

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                                    #47
                                    Jacki: word.

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                                      #48
                                      Originally posted by hippoid View Post
                                      Speaking from Europe, I believe that a lot of girls here sport pubic hair!
                                      But seriously, let me assure other who have posted on this column that Amsterdam is an excellent hub, and very quick and easy to reach from France, Germany, Scandinavia and UK (40 minutes flight from London). And Dutch girls...
                                      And here's another member who sends his warmest wishes for the enterprise and will stick around as a member
                                      'Tis a belief I similarly hold and who knows the arrival of AW may encourage a growth in gardening, 'the tending of lady gardens'

                                      I did spot this moving van yesterday, a coincidence?!

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                                      tom

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                                        #49
                                        I know I emailed this already but I wanted to add it to the boards too

                                        Firstly I just wanted to say thank you to the entire Abby Winters/G Media company for the wonderful, exciting opportunity I received in becoming a model on the site. Abby Winters granted me my first start in the industry, that is something I am and will always be greatful for, it was an absolute privilege for me.

                                        I know you are trying to put as much of a positive spin on the whole situation as possible and that is fantastic, as I am too.
                                        But I would be lying if I said wasn't disappointed. Anyway I to will be in Amsterdam one day soon looking to further my career in the industry, so I hope the opportunity to finish what I started in regards to my goals with your company is an option for me.

                                        All the very best with the exciting new challenge ahead, I hope you have a WOW experience and all the success you strive to achieve. Thank you

                                        Edie

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                                          #50
                                          Originally posted by immie View Post
                                          Jacki: word.
                                          And then some!

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                                            #51
                                            Originally posted by ren View Post
                                            And then some!
                                            Yeah, thanks Jacki. You are awesome.

                                            I saw that the population of the Netherlands is almost as much as Australia. So factoring in NL big EU neighbors, there should be lots and lots of models for AW to pick from.

                                            I'm probably being way to sentimental, but I'll always think the sweetest, most beautiful, models in the world are those in Melbourne Au.

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                                              #52
                                              Wow. Somebody could suspect me for this move, with my nickname

                                              I'm looking forward to drink some tea sometimes with Jacki or Gerson, I'm living really nearby Amsterdam


                                              (and of course I'm really looking forward to recognize some girls from around here, one day, hahaha)

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                                                #53
                                                Looks like Chloe B might get her 'white Christmas' after all. Certainly if we get the same winter we got last/this year!

                                                Yeah, this country is positively crowded compared to Aus. we do have much MUCH cheaper and faster internet access though! I mean, 50/5 Mb/sec internet combined with a full TV-sub (incl. pay channels) is about 60 EUR/month.

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                                                  #54
                                                  Well, I, for one, am starting to see the positive sides and the opportunities that this move presents. Sure, it'll be sad to have Abbyland far away, but think of the new adventures and new shoot opportunities! My happy little creative brain is going into overdrive, and I have already been surreptitiously looking into flights to the Netherlands and learning Dutch. :-) Sure, I'm kind of busy with Spanish at the moment, but once I've got that down pat, what's one more language in the grand scheme of things? Besides, Dutch is like the bastard lovechild of English and German. How hard can it be?

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                                                    #55
                                                    Kan wachten niet om heet verleidelijk Nederlands stijlgeslacht te zien!

                                                    I think immie makes a great point. Every cloud has a silver lining. I jest, but maybe every few years AW can relocate and offer a new atmosphere or take on their successful formula. Kinda like the endless seasons of the Real World on MTV.

                                                    Next up, Abby Winters: Buenos Aires!

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                                                      #56
                                                      Originally posted by laktor View Post
                                                      I believe that girls in Europe tend to sport the shaved look, so you may have problems finding the natural pubes in your new locale. Less full bushes makes me not happy, but perhaps you can "persuade" some to grow their pubes a bit? I hope so!
                                                      I'm in Europe and trust me, if you find it in Australia you'll find it over here! There's lot of different stereotypes about women's body hair in Europe/America/Australia but lovely AW-style women can be found all over the place.

                                                      My partner and I are pretty new here but we love the variety of women represented and the great attitude of the site. Seeing as we live most of the time on different sides of the world, I have to believe that AW will do their level best to hunt down models who fit the AW profile.

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                                                        #57
                                                        Originally posted by foolsfortune View Post
                                                        Next up, Abby Winters: Buenos Aires!
                                                        don't forget abbywinters: Tokyo!

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                                                          #58
                                                          I had suggested in the past the possibilities of Abbywinters: USA. Nevertheless no matter where AW goes or chooses to set up shop it will still in my heart be a true, Australian-bourne thing, which nobody can deny.

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                                                            #59
                                                            It's a shame that there'll likely be fewer Aussie models (especially returns of some of my awesome favourites), but it sounds like enough staff will be retained for the site to remain very good.

                                                            Considering the sensibly-relaxed attitude toward sex-related matters of Australians I've encountered, it is surprising that the country presents legal obstacles to your content production. Sure, there are some people conditioned to think that nudity and sex are evil, but it's stupid for laws to indulge people who think they have a right to interfere with something they find offensive when it:
                                                            • Is completely outside their lives unless they actively seek it out.
                                                            • Causes no objective physical or psychological harm to anyone.
                                                            • Provides satisfaction and enjoyment to many others.

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                                                              #60
                                                              Word to the muthah, violetfan. Outstanding.
                                                              Last edited by wolfgangbuster29; 3 June 2010, 03:18 AM. Reason: Outstanding

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