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    #31
    Originally posted by Xabbyy3 View Post
    Hi Jacki - there's not enough variety - the models don't do much in abby shoots other than 2 or 3 things....<<SNIP>>
    It seems more cynical now, less free, less about bodies and AW should be all about bodies, that's how it started! Naked girls next door! Fantastic!
    Well said Xabbyy3

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      #32
      I disagree with everything that both Xabbyy3 and mabiririza assert.

      I do not want 'activities' - I want beautiful women ... and if they orgasm so much the better.

      I do not thing AW has gone downhill. I disagree that things are cynical, etc.

      Life and many things move in cycles/phases/trends. Yes there are differences and different models (ahh for Cleo and Fotina), but what we have here at AW is good, very good.

      Oh, BTW, Brandi is lovely, with beautiful eyes. And a hottie!

      Originally posted by jacki
      We love feedback...but how about send those suggestions to our specially designed feedback section.
      Jacki, can you please tell us where to find this "specially designed feedback section". I know there is a feedback emailer on the front page but one doesn't get much feedback - to the punter - and there is no scope for open discussion with others. Is there a forum page I'm missing?
      Last edited by manumit; 4 December 2010, 01:42 PM.

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        #33
        Brandi seems to be as bubbly as she is beautiful ... what a smile ... although we get to see all of her beauty I think if I saw her in a village square hanging around and joking with friends I would be just as entranced. I enjoyed hearing her bilingual translating in the Kelly R. video - very pleasing accent. As Michelle observed of the two of them and Leonie, "They were such a funny and happy bunch of girls." - lovely young ladies having a happy time is for me really attractive.
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          #34
          Best

          Hi, I made a post here, but it was off topic, so I made a thread instead.


          Thanks bandi for a lovely shoot
          Xabbyy
          Last edited by Xabbyy3; 4 December 2010, 03:49 AM.

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            #35
            its funny how the busiest "new model" threads have been AnnaBelle Lee and Brandi (I have no facts to back that up but I'm sure I'm not far wrong). People do like to complain about something and this professional vs amateur model thing always stirs up strong reaction from many.

            Couple of things I would like to add.
            1. Thanks Jacki for clarifying the text /blurb, I for one, read it the other way and was all fired up to comment on it when reinforce bet me to it. So I apologies to AW for lack of trust.
            To confirm what Jacki was saying I read in "Masie Dee" blog similar feelings, to what Jacki was saying about Brandi.
            Quote from Masie: "A week and a bit after I went over with Satine I was brave and went back to Abby Winters on my own for the day..... we were pressed for time with me being so late but you'd never have guessed that by the Abby Winters team - Australians are seriously the most laid back people on earth, they were so good as I tend to get in a flap when I'm late and time is short. This was also the longest I have ever spent on one set of stills (we got through David Bowie's greatest hits twice) and the results speak for themselves........ Let me know what you think this is something very different to what I usually do and I am very proud."
            2. Maybe Lux or Fran could move this post and other such posts off the models personal page and into a more relevant forum. I'm sure no matter what opinions we have upsetting the models is the last thing we want to do. Although some "nutters" obviously disagree by some of the tags created.

            I did very much enjoy Brandi's shoot and agree she meets the AW criteria and a very welcome member of the AW family.

            Pinky
            Last edited by mrpinkeyes; 4 December 2010, 11:56 AM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by jacki View Post
              Compleeeeeetely agree!!!! I guarantee you if I was in front of the camera there would be NOTHING innocent about what you would see. Would I be then labeled as 'porn star' or a woman completely in touch with her sexuality! And anyway the word 'porn star' is not a dirty word. Porn, erotica, nude modeling are all expressions of sexuality. And a woman should be able to try her hand at all varieties. They should be looked at individually. In the same way that each of you members have a difference head space every time you log on to a certain site. I would never say "naughty naughty...ho0w could you appreciate our site when you are also a member to...*enter website here*..." People are complex things, with broad tastes and many curiosities. So why not give models the grace to try different styles of modeling. And also view our site in the head space that is linked specifically to this site. Don't bring memory flash backs of what you have seen these same models do other sites. Then you will realise..."oh hey this girl is healthy, happy, has no make-up, fake body mods and completely in control of expressing her sexuality." The very thing we represent here at AW...funny that!!!
              A fine philosophy and one that I find myself in accord with, both in relation to the ‘head space’ and it merits repeating

              "oh hey this girl is healthy, happy, has no make-up, fake body mods and completely in control of expressing her sexuality." The very thing we represent here at AW...funny that!!!

              I’d like to thank Pinky for finding that piece by Masie Dee, it is good to get a models perspective, again I think worthy of repeat:-

              "A week and a bit after I went over with Satine I was brave and went back to Abby Winters on my own for the day..... we were pressed for time with me being so late but you'd never have guessed that by the Abby Winters team - Australians are seriously the most laid back people on earth, they were so good as I tend to get in a flap when I'm late and time is short. This was also the longest I have ever spent on one set of stills (we got through David Bowie's greatest hits twice) and the results speak for themselves........ Let me know what you think this is something very different to what I usually do and I am very proud."

              Satine in her thread wrote something similar on her Australian AW experience:-

              “I had loads of fun shooting for AW!
              I found it very different from other shoots that I have done previously.
              They are much more relaxed and care a lot more about you enjoying yourself which s always very nice!
              I felt I had a lot more freedom to do what felt natural and I really enjoyed getting the chance to explore myself and the girls I worked with however I wanted.

              I am very much looking forward to shooting with them again (I HAVE TO! ) and I think they are a brilliant company.
              I personally don't really look at their videos like normal porn, it's just two people getting intimate.”


              I would also concur with Pinky’s second point, a move to Good things Bad things or Discussion, perhaps here.

              As I wrote in earlier posts I'm looking forward to further shoots by Brandi.

              tom
              Last edited by tom2c7777; 5 December 2010, 05:51 AM. Reason: discussion thread

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                #37
                What a wonderful new model ! She has a perfect body. Pleased an other video.

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                  #38
                  If experience is not an issue, why not use Peaches, Nikita & Blue Angel? You won't find better gg performers.

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                    #39
                    Garion and Jacki -many thanks for your swift reply to the questions that were raised.

                    Garion - you say that your policy on using models means that "The amount of work models have done for other sites is not very relevant to us". So you'd hire a model who has appeared on dozens of other sites whether highly hardcore or not just because she tells us that Abby Winters is different from any of the the other sites she has worked for, that she has enjoyed the shoot and can make a reasonable act of appearing nervous and "amateur".

                    But that's what these same models say and do on practically every other site they appear on! It's part of the act of being a pro isn't it? And you can spot it a mile away.

                    We're a long way from the hippy, backpacking world of AW here aren't we? No wonder the models don't do much talking. Asked the question of what they've been up to over the last few days, presumably they'd be telling us about all of the porn shoots they've been doing. Would rather "burst the bubble" wouldn't it!

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                      #40
                      Hello

                      Many members exspressed the view, AW would have lost their innocence, no longer is the page for the nice girl next door, is now a porn site among many. I always wonder why?? I can see no tolerance.

                      What's so bad, especially at the post by Brandi. It shows itself in a very friendly manner and her photos convey what it is at heart still, "A normal girl next door”.

                      Unsophisticated, unvarnished, in a normal environment, complete with its own, a natural, young body to worship. Thus she is the right place at AW. She still works for other adult sites, has not got any meaning. Is a profession like any other, one would think, but some members is a "porn star" is still something very offensive and has no place on the AW page nothing. I can only say how intolerant.

                      Even this eternal lament of the old, golden days, when everything better, more beautiful, more creative, blah blah ... was. I can not understand it.

                      At the moment I see AW as a young girl who tried out in a new environment. New influences, new perspectives and change. Great.
                      Nothing is more deadly than stagnation and boredom. The AW the Family is becoming a little taken from their deep sleep, but great. Since the time was, as Abby goes to Las Vegas, I have not seen so much live in the forums.

                      Please more tolernce.

                      AbbyWinters is deep in their hearts always remain what it was and is.
                      „The site for the cute girl next door“.

                      XxxBarb

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                        #41
                        The Znem - I think you are missing my point. I'm not making a moral judgement about Brandi.

                        Brandi has appeared in literally dozens of lesbian and masturbation films (I won't mention the rather lurid b/g stuff). In these films Brandi nearly always seems to act the nervous debutante.

                        I am merely asking whether she might be doing exactly the same thing at AW. And whether anyone who is a heavily exposed professional model (some may call them a "porn star" - I don't find that insulting) can ever be an "unsophisticated" and "unvarnished" "girl next door". Surely this is a total contradiction in terms.

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                          #42
                          I have seen Brandi several times on another site. She looks much more glamorous there, with some make-up and wearing high heels for example. But actually I don't care whether she looks glamorous or more the girl next door like in the AW shoot, because she looks great in any appearance. And most important of all, it looks to me like she is genuinely enjoying herself. And whether this is done as a professional or as an amateur is of no importance to me.

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                            #43
                            My favorite slender and sexy, brown eyed, Hungarian accented, Blondie has a new "special message" for us on the home page. I think her smile is pretty special, I dare say.

                            To The Znem (Barb), Right on!

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by bookmanz View Post
                              My favorite slender and sexy, brown eyed, Hungarian accented, Blondie has a new "special message" for us on the home page. I think her smile is pretty special, I dare say.

                              To The Znem (Barb), Right on!
                              Thanks Bookmanz, when I looked I half expected to see a new tag "brown eyed, Hungarian accented, Blondie" I spotted this a couple of days ago im hungry for the hungarian

                              Barb, I echo Bookmanz's sentiment.

                              tom

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by manumit View Post
                                I disagree with everything that both Xabbyy3 and mabiririza assert.

                                I do not want 'activities' - I want beautiful women ... and if they orgasm so much the better.

                                I do not thing AW has gone downhill. I disagree that things are cynical, etc.

                                Life and many things move in cycles/phases/trends. Yes there are differences and different models (ahh for Cleo and Fotina), but what we have here at AW is good, very good.

                                Oh, BTW, Brandi is lovely, with beautiful eyes. And a hottie!


                                Jacki, can you please tell us where to find this "specially designed feedback section". I know there is a feedback emailer on the front page but one doesn't get much feedback - to the punter - and there is no scope for open discussion with others. Is there a forum page I'm missing?
                                Just anywhere that is not the models own page. The discussion forums are designed for specific threads and issues you want to discuss without it being linked to a specific models page. X
                                Everyone is welcome to open new thread to discuss what is on their mind. If anything is overly sensitive for public viewing, then yes the email is the best bet. You can imagine the amount of emails we get about various things, so we do always try to get through them replying to each. Thanks for your feedback to date, we encourage it to continue. x

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                                  #46
                                  Originally posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
                                  its funny how the busiest "new model" threads have been AnnaBelle Lee and Brandi (I have no facts to back that up but I'm sure I'm not far wrong). People do like to complain about something and this professional vs amateur model thing always stirs up strong reaction from many.

                                  Couple of things I would like to add.
                                  1. Thanks Jacki for clarifying the text /blurb, I for one, read it the other way and was all fired up to comment on it when reinforce bet me to it. So I apologies to AW for lack of trust.
                                  To confirm what Jacki was saying I read in "Masie Dee" blog similar feelings, to what Jacki was saying about Brandi.
                                  Quote from Masie: "A week and a bit after I went over with Satine I was brave and went back to Abby Winters on my own for the day..... we were pressed for time with me being so late but you'd never have guessed that by the Abby Winters team - Australians are seriously the most laid back people on earth, they were so good as I tend to get in a flap when I'm late and time is short. This was also the longest I have ever spent on one set of stills (we got through David Bowie's greatest hits twice) and the results speak for themselves........ Let me know what you think this is something very different to what I usually do and I am very proud."
                                  2. Maybe Lux or Fran could move this post and other such posts off the models personal page and into a more relevant forum. I'm sure no matter what opinions we have upsetting the models is the last thing we want to do. Although some "nutters" obviously disagree by some of the tags created.

                                  I did very much enjoy Brandi's shoot and agree she meets the AW criteria and a very welcome member of the AW family.

                                  Pinky
                                  I wish there were a facebook "LIKE" button on this site...I would use it here! Thanks. x

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                                    #47
                                    Originally posted by TheZnem View Post
                                    Hello

                                    Many members exspressed the view, AW would have lost their innocence, no longer is the page for the nice girl next door, is now a porn site among many. I always wonder why?? I can see no tolerance.

                                    What's so bad, especially at the post by Brandi. It shows itself in a very friendly manner and her photos convey what it is at heart still, "A normal girl next door”.

                                    Unsophisticated, unvarnished, in a normal environment, complete with its own, a natural, young body to worship. Thus she is the right place at AW. She still works for other adult sites, has not got any meaning. Is a profession like any other, one would think, but some members is a "porn star" is still something very offensive and has no place on the AW page nothing. I can only say how intolerant.

                                    Even this eternal lament of the old, golden days, when everything better, more beautiful, more creative, blah blah ... was. I can not understand it.

                                    At the moment I see AW as a young girl who tried out in a new environment. New influences, new perspectives and change. Great.
                                    Nothing is more deadly than stagnation and boredom. The AW the Family is becoming a little taken from their deep sleep, but great. Since the time was, as Abby goes to Las Vegas, I have not seen so much live in the forums.

                                    Please more tolernce.

                                    AbbyWinters is deep in their hearts always remain what it was and is.
                                    „The site for the cute girl next door“.

                                    XxxBarb
                                    Chin chin to that Barb! Thanks so much for taking the time to write.

                                    Just to be clear, even the girl next door likes to try her hand at the world of erotica in all it's forms. Put away your cocktail shakers people (pun intended)...
                                    The cocktail shakers that dictate...that a girl must be X many parts innocent to make her seem untouched, to X many parts exploratory in nature to allow her to open her legs a certain amount, to X many parts unblemished to make her appealing to look at, to X many parts blemished to make her look 'real', to 0 parts never having modeled before (the odds of this being always the case are not reasonable especially when a model is coming here to NUDE MODEL) to make her not a 'porn star'. Relax and enjoy the ride a little. And don't force yourselves to stay somewhere you are not happy.

                                    There are soooo many amazing women on this site...if 1 or 2 don't suit your taste...wait a day, we update the site enough to cater to tastes of many varieties. I look at the news page every single time I hear one of these comments about our models changing...and not once do I see a full page of this one kind of model that is meant to be infiltrating our site. Relax your radar a bit people and you will see that all is ok in the land.

                                    It is like when I think about changing my hair to a certain style...and I'm just not too sure about it. I end up seeing it EVERYWHERE!! Truth be told, it is not around any more than it once was. I've just identified a fear in my head, and so I just notice it a whole lot more!!!

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                                      #48
                                      Thanks Jacki. I am enjoying where AW is at present. Cheers, Adam

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                                        #49
                                        and just who is the girl next door today ,it changes with time and who's living next door ,people change all the time and the age of innocence with it ,I find almost all of the women on here to fit in that mode even thou I live in a small town and would expect to see any of them at any time -look around you first and then comment on changes then .Brandi is a good looking woman and I would be pleased to met her on the street of my village ,not going to happen here ,but the thought it might is ever present a real cutie +++++++++++++++++++

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                                          #50
                                          From reading this whole thread, it seems to me that people are arguing across purposes.

                                          One group is saying they are concerned that the more experienced and professional models, who have appeared on numerous other sites, might be acting rather than being themselves. I share this concern. I also have seen models appear on different sites and pretend to be new and inexperienced. If they were to appear on AW and portray themselves as new and inexperienced, it would be impossible not to be skeptical.

                                          But the counter-argument I'm reading does not address this. It is about how even the professional models fit the Abby style, do not alter what the site is about, and that they appear beautiful and natural. I agree with this sentiment too! And from what I've read, I don't think the people making the first point summarized above are disagreeing with this second argument.

                                          So we have 2 groups of people expressing two mostly-unrelated points of view.

                                          Kamm

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                                            #51
                                            Originally posted by jacki View Post
                                            In regards to the rave or promo text on the front page that went with this shoot. Nothing in that text was outside of the truth. So you rest your pretty little heads about it. As you know Brandi has done shoots for other sites. So this was uncharted territory being on an AW set where things happen very differently. From how we shoot the models to how the models look. She was very unsure as to how she would go, and she started on some of her friends shoots to see how the shoot ran. The nerves, that were written about REAL. Her queries and asking for tips as to how to shoot in front of an AW lens. REAL!!! Wuss88, reinforce and others...hope this clears things up for you. x
                                            Jacki, I accept most of what you've said, but I'm afraid not that part. The blurb clearly tried to give the impression that she was a "newbie", when she was anything but a newbie. Garion recognized that and apologised for it a couple of posts above you.
                                            Last edited by JacksonP49; 16 December 2010, 03:01 AM.

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