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    Quote Originally Posted by trebor View Post
    For the girl-girl shoots I definitely prefer seeing the stills first.
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    One advantage of the stills is that if you are busy, and can't spare nearly an hour to watch the videos, you can get a sample taste of the shoot from the stills. Then indulge in the main entree when you have more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    For me... I'm not actually sure if it is a professional model or AW A'dam thing... I'm pretty sure the same things went on in the Aussie days. As Image sets have been filmed first since "Amanda was a cowgirl" and the video's seemed to follow the same or very similar pattern even back then. So for that to happen I would imagine that some of the spontaneity has to be lost. As I mentioned in my previous post... My question to Rhyss put another way maybe... Do all the video's have to follow the same format as the image set... Can they not be totally unrelated or maybe my previous support for images first... video second was wrong... If the girls were just left to do want the want... set the rules... in the video then the images could come second to try and recreate it. I know the obvious floor in that plan... Once the girls have done the full on action of a video... they may not have no energy left for the image set.... I don't know... Lucky I'm not the Creative Director that has to think all these things through...

    Has there ever been a discussion of a "video only" G/G shoot... where you can do that... Just let the girls go for it as though it was their first time together (in real life) not to the extreme as the video for "Larisa M & Kielyn" shoot but where positions aren't discussed before hand but maybe likes and dislikes?? are known by each model. I'm sure we will get lots of "is that ok??" do you like that?? (not said in a porn way ) good interaction between the models in a verbal way which I quite like. Be interested what the models think about that as I would imagine they would be going into the unknown and if it works or doesn't it will be up for everyone to see.
    I'm a little lost, but can I just confirm you're asking if we can shoot video first rather than still first? On a girl-girl shoot day, I have always asked to do my video first and have always been allowed to. It means that during the stills, I don't mind going a bit slower and taking my time (which is more conductive to getting lots of shots). If someone asked me to do stills first, I think the video would suffer because my post-sex laziness would be more obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylie_h View Post
    I'm a little lost, but can I just confirm you're asking if we can shoot video first rather than still first? On a girl-girl shoot day, I have always asked to do my video first and have always been allowed to. It means that during the stills, I don't mind going a bit slower and taking my time (which is more conductive to getting lots of shots). If someone asked me to do stills first, I think the video would suffer because my post-sex laziness would be more obvious.
    I can see why you would be lost... that post was all over the place... Video first for G/G was one of my tangents... But before I go on... would it be normal for a model to have "post-sex laziness" from the image set?? Do you also have orgasms doing the image set??? That's doesn't normally happen does it??

    Kylie... your not helping me try and be easier to understand this time...

    I was just trying to think of ways so there was no plan totally spontaneous in a G/G shoot. The reason I mentioned doing the video first was many image sets look like they could have been taken during the video... So my conclusion was... that when the g/g video is shoot.. they are working to get in the same "moves"that were used in the image set.

    Is that any better??? maybe not... I'll go away and think about it a bit more...

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    Sometimes I do have orgasms during the stills, sometimes I don't. It depends how many I had during the video and how tired me and my partner are! If we're both knackered,it's usually all just a bit softer. Although in a recent girl-girl shoot, I had several orgasms during the stills, due to being super sensitive after the video's sex and her just being generally awesome!

    Having never shot stills first, I have no idea how the "planned" thing works. But during the stills of my shoots, I try and do roughly the same things as I did in the video but I don't worry too much if I'm in a different position or something or don't feel up to the acrobatics of a particular position, and neither do the shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylie_h View Post
    I'm a little On a girl-girl shoot day, I have always asked to do my video first and have always been allowed to. It means that during the stills, I don't mind going a bit slower and taking my time (which is more conductive to getting lots of shots). If someone asked me to do stills first, I think the video would suffer because my post-sex laziness would be more obvious.
    Thank's for clearing that up Kylie...i was always under the impression that the videographer and the stills shooter were in the room together shooting simultaneously while the shoot was in progress,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post

    Ohh and laktor... Hope you don't post less as I do enjoy your posts with distinctive views on some things but always your openness and honesty. I also would imagine the first part of you latest question may not get an answer as "posing levels" are a pay thing between AW and the models and not something that would normally be discussed here... But I would be very interested in the reply should we get one. so if it is answered can I get a bonus question in... is there bonus's for orgasms??
    Thanks! I'm not asking about anything to do with pay, just posing levels which has been talked about here ever since I can remember. Correct me if I'm wrong, in which case I again apologize. But actually, I'm more interested in the second question, regarding possible masturbation spontaneity in solos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjsunray View Post
    Thank's for clearing that up Kylie...i was always under the impression that the videographer and the stills shooter were in the room together shooting simultaneously while the shoot was in progress,,,
    Nope, I don't think we have ever done that, for many reasons, mostly technical - the sound of the stills camera would affect the audio of the video, people would be in the way of eachother, different lighting requirements, different direction needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Nope, I don't think we have ever done that, for many reasons, mostly technical - the sound of the stills camera would affect the audio of the video, people would be in the way of eachother, different lighting requirements, different direction needs.
    Aha...this all now makes sense to me Garion...thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    is there bonus's for orgasms??
    Not currently, tho we did try it in the past with poor results, for a few months (in 2010? maybe 2009)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjsunray View Post
    Aha...this all now makes sense to me Garion...thank you.
    Also be interesting to see when "Video by Masie" and "Stills by Masie" appear for the same shoot.... doing that at the same time would be a rather impressive feat. haha...

    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Not currently, tho we did try it in the past with poor results, for a few months (in 2010? maybe 2009)
    I could see many problems arising from that, for both AW and the model, when I think about it a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Also be interesting to see when "Video by Masie" and "Stills by Masie" appear for the same shoot.... doing that at the same time would be a rather impressive feat. haha...
    If anyone can pull it off, it would be Masie and Izzy...HaHa

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    Hi Guys,

    Firstly to clarify my name is Rhyss. I had been using Frankie since I first started work at abby, some 5 and a half years ago, but as I am now more active on the boards I want to use my real name, sorry for any confusion. Laktor no offense taken.

    Also, I am sorry that I have not been able to post as regularly as I should on this thread, but I will make a weekly post so I can keep up with the activity.

    Regarding the Dani L intimate moments. From reviewing the video it seems to me like the shooter had a mini premise which required her to film the model's pee at the beginning and then when the intimate moments section of the video began she left the model to her own devices, alone as per all of our intimate moments shoots.

    Girl Girl shoots run in real time without any stopping for approximately 95% of all shoots. There may be reason for an editor to cut out a small section of time if there is not a useable camera, but otherwise filming may be stopped if the models request to or for technical reasons. But generally speaking there are no breaks. The models choose the positions they like and there is no script or definitive plan. The shooters will often discuss and collaborate with the models to talk about some positions and ideas, but what you see in girl-girl shoots is the models doing is what they want to do. The hair-ties are a good device and one perhaps we need to be using more often to stop hair obscuring and other plants or furniture as noted. These are all good critical observations and we always want the focus to be on the models and want to remove any other distractions so these things will be addressed. We want the viewer to experience these shoots as a fly on the wall...with a good view

    RelaxedIM thanks for the thorough analysis. I agree we can be exploiting these known teasing fetishes of down-blouse and up-skirt more and I am working on putting together plans to have these be more regularly shot. It is a known area amongst all of our shoot team but we can be exploiting these teasing devices more.

    So it seems that the general consensus is to keep the stills sets released first and then videos. I agree with the views of most members on this so we will keep it that way- if it aint broke, don't fix it, I guess has some relevance here.

    Glad there was some positive feedback from Athletics Girls. Some events could have been shot and formatted differently to improve how they happened. I would have liked to have structured the pee event differently, for example, one girl peeing at a time and with more time for each individual girl to pee to allow the coverage of the event to be better and to give the girls more time. Some of the other events could have improved from similar tweaking, but these improvements will be taken into our next shoot so that is exciting.

    Okay if there are any things I have left out from this post let me know and I will get back to them next week. In the meantime guys, please enjoy the site and I hope the Episode 3 of Girls Talk Podcast is enjoyed by all.


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    Hi Rhyss...
    Not actually sure if this comes under your domain"creative" maybe more for Garion (Hi Garion) but sure one of you is the right person to ask.

    I was looking at the AW DVD selection on line recently wondering if maybe I should get some of my favorite models on DVD... Never realized just how many of them there are.

    Relating to this... Is it possible to have links to all the DVD's that a model appears in on her "Models Page" also would be great if we could have the link to her "Models speak thread" also... appreciate this one may be a little difficult as some models (Masie ) seems to have started two and other models no names.. cough cough Arianna have about 100.. haha.

    Just a thought...

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    Hi Rhyss,

    This thread seemed to be the appropriate place to ask about shoots bought in from external photographers.

    The just-released Kimberley shoot has tags of 'Stills by Marc" and "Video by Marc". Who is Marc? Is he a professional photographer? Where is he located, USA or elsewhere?

    Are there other shoots on the way from external photographers? If so, what countries are they in?

    I don't have any problem in principle with external shooters, in fact I suggested it some time ago. One benefit might be that the number of solo shoots might increase. At the moment there are just not enough of them: the number is only about one-third of what we used to get in Australia. Just as an example, in March 2012 there were eight solos. In March 2008, there were 26. That includes both new models and returning models. If the site is going to use external shooters, then I don't see why the number of solo updates can't get back to what it was.

    And just a gentle criticism: the use of external shooters is something that members could have been told about in this very thread. It's a new direction for AW, so why not tell members about it, rather than wait for them to ask? I thought that the purpose of this thread was to inform members about new developments.
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    Jackson....
    Think you will find a number of forums (well a couple) where shoots that have not been shot at AWHQ has been discussed and Garion did ask or bring up the issue on his twitter account about should AW use external photographers. So it's no longer something that is new... plus we are not actually sure it is the case in this situation (I would however bet dollars to donuts that it is).
    I also would admit that on the previous shoots it wasn't publicly announced on the forums either... it wasn't until asked the questions was it confirmed.

    Personally... who or more importantly where the shoots are done is not something I really need to know as long as it follows the standards that are applicable to any other AW shoot. So far so good on that front.

    Oh... Just just thought of another way of bringing back the number of solo shoots... Include professional porn stars no matter what alterations they may have done to their bodies. We will be back to 26 in no time.

    Sorry... more seriously.... How did you/AW manage to shoot enough solo's to do 26 new shoots a month. If I recall you still only had 4 maybe 5 shooters back in 2008... So when did they have the time to do all these shoots on top of the G/G and setting up the IM stuff. I'm sure if we asked Izzy, Beth, Masie or Adam (am I missing anyone) if they could do at least double the number of Solo's a week they would look at you strangely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Jackson....
    Think you will find a number of forums (well a couple) where shoots that have not been shot at AWHQ has been discussed and Garion did ask or bring up the issue on his twitter account about should AW use external photographers. So it's no longer something that is new... plus we are not actually sure it is the case in this situation (I would however bet dollars to donuts that it is).
    I also would admit that on the previous shoots it wasn't publicly announced on the forums either... it wasn't until asked the questions was it confirmed.

    Personally... who or more importantly where the shoots are done is not something I really need to know as long as it follows the standards that are applicable to any other AW shoot. So far so good on that front.
    I know it's been mentioned before, but it seemed to me that it would be good to know a bit more about it. I would have thought it was something that AW management could have made a bit of a fuss of. As I said, I think subcontracting shoots is a good idea if it's well done and gets the numbers up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Oh... Just just thought of another way of bringing back the number of solo shoots... Include professional porn stars no matter what alterations they may have done to their bodies. We will be back to 26 in no time.
    Ah, Pinky, in case you hadn't noticed, they are doing that already - apart from breast implants (thank Heaven). Which is one reason why I can't understand why the number of solos is so low. Quite honestly, I have no idea what the policies are about the selection of models, apart from the no breast implant rule: there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. It used to be amateur models only. It's not that any more.

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    Just a suggestion: .If outside shoots will ( which i presume ) become a regular feature, along with the photographer's name, it would only make sense to

    specify ( the tag ) that it is in fact " External Filmed ".... As far as i can tell, there have been 3 external shoots....1) the very first, Caramel_S ( Ukraine ).

    2 ) Brooklyn ( Berlin )... and most recently 3) Kimberly ( USA )...
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    Hey TJ... Wasn't Caramel_S from Russia?? Thus all the problems with getting a visa for her to come shoot at AWHQ?? But think it wouldn't be a bad idea adding the tag as you mentioned.. although I'm sure the first sign of that tag there will be complaints about the quality of the shoot no matter what they look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Hey TJ... Wasn't Caramel_S from Russia?? .
    Hey Pinky....i stand to be corrected. Caramel is from Russia. It was Martha, another beauty, who is from the Ukraine. Up to date, External shoots from Russia, Berlin, USA, what a great concept and addition to our already extensive AW library. Curious what other countries will be included..like the saying goes: " A girl ( shoot) from every port "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjsunray View Post
    Hey Pinky....i stand to be corrected. Caramel is from Russia. It was Martha, another beauty, who is from the Ukraine. Up to date, External shoots from Russia, Berlin, USA, what a great concept and addition to our already extensive AW library. Curious what other countries will be included..like the saying goes: " A girl ( shoot) from every port "
    If you are looking for talent scouts in New Zealand let me know... Be nice to say to a lady you could be a model and have a "official card" to back it up. I'm sure less slaps that way.... maybe... haha...

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    Hi Rhyss/Garion/Kylie
    Way can't the models that have shot elsewhere use their normal "stage" names. Was fine for Masie, Satine, Madison Y, AnnaBelle Lee to name a few off the top of my head so why not for all???
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    Just to follow up on what Pinky said, I think it's time for something a bit more basic than that, in fact it's time for Abby Winters to tell its members exactly what its policy is about one major thing, and that's the recruiting of models.

    There is constant talk on these boards and in the shoot raves about "the Abby Winters girl". But what exactly IS the Abby Winters girl now? How does Abby Winters decide which models to shoot and which to reject?

    That used to be an easy question to answer: an Abby Winters girl was an amateur, often an absolute first timer. Here's the quote that STILL appears on the Abby Winters tour page: "All the girls are real amateurs and most have never done any nude modelling before." She had to be reasonably height/weight proportional and she couldn't have breast implants or other cosmetic surgery, but otherwise it didn't really matter. She might have tattoos or piercings or a scar somewhere or anything else: if she was an amateur, she was OK for Abby Winters.

    It is no longer an easy question to answer. That statement on the tour page is simply not true. Some of the girls are real amateurs, but certainly not all of them, and very, very few of them have never done any nude modelling before. We have had full-scale hardcore professionals, girls who have decided to make a career in porn and come to Abby Winters for their first steps into that world, as well as girls who are technically amateurs (in the sense that nude modelling is not their only occupation) but who are very highly experienced.

    So how about telling the members, and the general public as well, exactly what an Abby Winters model is now? How does Abby Winters decide who to shoot? What characteristics do you want her to have? What are the characteristics that you DON'T want her to have?

    There are often statements made by AW management about how they like to keep members informed of new developments on the site. There have been many developments on the site since the move to Amsterdam, and the members have not been informed of any of them. Members were NOT informed when professional models were introduced. They were NOT informed when male shooters were employed. They were NOT informed when AW began to subcontract shoots to outside shooters and shoot in other countries. They were NOT informed when the number of updates, especially solo updates, dropped to about half of what it used to be.

    The only things members ever seem to be informed of are changes of a purely technical nature like new bits on the home page and so on, which are of little if any interest to members. The changes that matter, the changes in the type of models we see and the changes that affect the type of content that appears on the site, are NOT announced. They just happened, and it was left to members to find out about them for themselves.

    And another question, which I think is related. If a model has had previous experience in the porn world, why not ask her about it?

    I cannot believe that AW engages a model without knowing what previous experience she has had. AW says that it shows its models as they really are, that the members get to know them through their videos and through these boards. So if AW is going to employ experienced and often fully professional models, why not ask them about their experience?

    I know that AW management has said that shooters are not encouraged to ask about such things, but my question is, why not? Surely, if a model, like Kimberley, whose shoot provoked Pinky's post, has decided to step full-time into the porn world, surely that's part of getting to know her. As a matter of fact, Kimberley has a very interesting story to tell about it and she's not the slightest bit nervous about talking about it. http://joditaylorxxx.tumblr.com/

    So how about it? Let us know what the new type of Abby girl is. And please don't talk just about no cosmetic surgery; the members know that, and Abby Winters is far from the only site on the net to use models whose bodies have not been surgically modified. How do you decide who to shoot and who not to shoot? And why not ask the models about their previous experience, as part of helping the members get to know them?

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    Hi Guys,

    In relation to the models. We are trying to recruit models who are happy and healthy first and foremost. We are an amateur site, so we prefer our models to have the least amount of previous experience in front of a camera nude modeling. We also value models without any tattoos or piercings, who are passionate about the core values of our site: representing models as naturally as possible, hairy, no make-up, no cosmetic surgery etc. We also value models who are very passionate about their modeling experience.

    Sometimes we shoot models who have had previous nude modeling experience, although this is not our preference to shoot models with previous modeling experience, if the rest of our other values are met we may decide to shoot them. This is not a new thing and our policy on this has not changed, perhaps locating the models with less experience post moving to Amsterdam presented some difficulties, but we feel we have made major progress on this front and are continuing too.

    In rare cases models that have had more substantial experience will be shot because we feel they represent the rest of our core values very well. Whenever we do this we use the models "stage" name unless otherwise directed by the model or if the name is already taken. We are an amateur site and are committed to finding the most suitable models who can to represent our site as best as possible.

    Regarding talking about previous modeling experiences, its not a no go zone for shooters to ask, however we are abbywinters.com and we prefer to focus on what we are doing and who the model really is, not on what models have done on other sites. We do ask some models why they decided to model naked and the general comments on this from the members have been relayed to the shooters and this will happen more regularly.

    Kimberley was shot by Marc who is a photographer in the US. She applied to model and we wanted to shoot her and engaged with him. Contract shooters is something discussed before. We currently have Mia M shooting out of Berlin and will hopefully have some more, to bring you a greater range of the best models from all over the globe. Hopefully some soon from Spain. We add the shoot tags to identify the shooter and if it is going to be a more regular contributor they introduce themselves on the boards as Mia has already done.

    I will look into DVDs on the models homepage, although web dev is always swamped with high priorities.

    Regarding the number of solo's released. We are releasing less than before, but we are also releasing regular monthly additions like afterdark, girl-boy, mystery shoot, editor's choice and a radio podcast to diversify our content offering. Soon this will also include AW education.

    Ok guys, thanks again for your comments and questions, great to have this thread be active again.

    Enjoy the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    If you are looking for talent scouts in New Zealand let me know... Be nice to say to a lady you could be a model and have a "official card" to back it up. I'm sure less slaps that way.... maybe... haha...
    Hey Pinky,

    Cards are not appropriate (unless you have been trained), but it's no problem to refer models to models.abbywinters.com, and tell them to mention that Pinky sent them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacksonP49 View Post
    Ah, Pinky, in case you hadn't noticed, they are doing that already - apart from breast implants (thank Heaven). Which is one reason why I can't understand why the number of solos is so low. Quite honestly, I have no idea what the policies are about the selection of models, apart from the no breast implant rule: there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. It used to be amateur models only. It's not that any more.
    Why do you think it's that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Why do you think it's that way?
    Garion, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, as I said several things in the passage you quoted. But if you're asking why I said that the recruitment policy used to be amateurs only but it's not any more, the answer is what I said earlier in my post

    "Some of the girls are real amateurs, but certainly not all of them, and very, very few of them have never done any nude modelling before. We have had full-scale hardcore professionals, girls who have decided to make a career in porn and come to Abby Winters for their first steps into that world, as well as girls who are technically amateurs (in the sense that nude modelling is not their only occupation) but who are very highly experienced."



    Just as examples, the last two new models have been Kimberley, aka Jodi Taylor, professional hardcore porn model, and Sofia M, aka Sofia Matthews, who describes herself as "semi-professional" and who lists nineteen adult and fetish sites on which she appeared before her AW shoot: http://www.adultindustryresources.co...sofia-matthews

    And both those models were presented as first timers: Kimberley expressly said so, and the raves for Sofia M strongly implied it using the words "debut shoot" for her stills set and speaking about her nervousness in front of the camera for the video.

    So that's why I say that this site is no longer the sort of amateur site it was in Australia, nothing like it, in fact.

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    it was Sofia M's debut AW shoot and mabey she really was nervous, probably not used to shooting with no makeup and talking about herself

    anyway, looking forward to the AW education being a more regular thing, I really liked what has been released so far

    thanks for the update Rhyss

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Hey Pinky,

    Cards are not appropriate (unless you have been trained), but it's no problem to refer models to models.abbywinters.com, and tell them to mention that Pinky sent them!
    Well that's not going to help get me get the girls to take their kit off... Think the official card would be needed for that haha... I'm not really that bad or brave

    But if their is a "training course" point me in the right direction... I will travel... In my imagination the training would include viewing lotz of naked ladies so where do I sign... haha

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    When I discover, after having seen a shoot, that the model is in fact not an amateur, I have the feeling that AW tried to lie to us. It isn't a nice feeling!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Whenever we do this we use the models "stage" name
    The model "stage" name is her first name and her last name. I've never seen that on abbywinters.
    You could add it in the shoot raves or in the tags of the shoots.
    It would mean that AW assume that the model has done some adult work before.
    The members who are interested could search on Internet what the model has done before working for AW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Regarding talking about previous modeling experiences, its not a no go zone for shooters to ask, however we are abbywinters.com and we prefer to focus on what we are doing and who the model really is, not on what models have done on other sites. We do ask some models why they decided to model naked and the general comments on this from the members have been relayed to the shooters and this will happen more regularly.
    It's better than nothing but I don't think that it is enough.
    If the models who already have done some adult work don't always speak about it in their first video, we can't know for sure if it's their first time nude or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlabka View Post
    If the models who already have done some adult work don't always speak about it in their first video, we can't know for sure if it's their first time nude or not.
    It's an interview, not an interrogation. If you're that distrustful don't listen to what she says and don't read the raves. Sheesh.

    I come here to view pretty nude girls/ladies. I tend not to do background checks or go searching if they've been on other website. Must be me I guess....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    It's an interview, not an interrogation. If you're that distrustful don't listen to what she says and don't read the raves. Sheesh.

    I come here to view pretty nude girls/ladies. I tend not to do background checks or go searching if they've been on other website. Must be me I guess....
    It's you.
    I don't come here just to see nude girls. I also want to know them.
    Knowing why they choose to get naked in front of a camera, what they do in life, what they want to do in the adult world... is important for me.
    Seeing a girl getting nude in front of a camera for the first time is something special. I want to know when this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacksonP49 View Post
    So that's why I say that this site is no longer the sort of amateur site it was in Australia, nothing like it, in fact.
    Yah, and so my question is, why do you think that's the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Yah, and so my question is, why do you think that's the case?
    Quote Originally Posted by JacksonP49 View Post
    So that's why I say that this site is no longer the sort of amateur site it was in Australia, nothing like it, in fact.
    Well, mate, you're not making your question any easier to understand, so I'll take another guess at what it is. You're asking me why it is that although some of the girls are real amateurs, many of them are not, and very, very few of them have never done any nude modelling before, and why we have had full-scale hardcore professionals, girls who have decided to make a career in porn and come to Abby Winters for their first steps into that world, as well as girls who are technically amateurs (in the sense that nude modelling is not their only occupation) but who are very highly experienced.

    Answer: because you can't get a sufficient supply of such models, i.e. amateurs, most of whom have never modelled nude before. You tell me, is that correct?

    And here''s a question for you. Assuming I'm right and most of the models are either professional, or taking their first steps into becoming fully professional, and/or very experienced adult models, why does Abby Winters not disclose that fact? Doesn't it mean that the statements on your tour page, and in your advertising on the web, which all say that it's an amateur site where many or most of the models have never modelled nude before, doesn't it mean that those statements are misleading, if not straight out false?

    And a second question. Again assuming I'm right about the change in the nature of the models, why can't the number of solos go back to where it was? If experienced adult models are OK, there's no shortage of them in Europe. So why can't the number of solos go back to its previous level of six per week (24-26 per month), and that's six sets of solo stills and also six solo videos each week, instead of one-third that number?
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    A few things... start with the easy.....

    What is the idea or reasoning behind the new members home page names... I see "Nude Model" now appears in front of the solo shoots... Lesbian sex in front of the G/G shoots, real life couple in front of the G/B shoots and Video Masturbation (or SIM 1) in front of the DIM and IM shoots. I'm just can't see why its needed so therefore it must be part of a bigger picture. Interested to learn the reasoning behind it... Is it a phase out of the old terms and introducing the new names in??

    I'm in favour of the "outside" shoot teams if it means being able to grab a bigger pool of potential models. I also think that both Kimberley and Sofia M are welcome addition to the site and from what I have seen they fit the natural and real part of what makes an AW model. Which to me is the important part... What they have done before of after isn't that important. It does surprise me a model that has done a number of model modelling is described as "Forgetting her camera shyness". I would have thought other that being used to the camera by now that a big part of why a AW would do a shoot is because they are not camera shy and enjoy being photographed. It does seem that our (the members) keenness to see first time models and watching them build confidence between their first shoot and their redux may be exploited a little here hinting or saying what AW know many members wants to read/hear. The Kimberley one is a little more foggy... she is quoted and its all over the rave that this shoot is being promoted as being her first ever nude shoot. The foggy part now is if this is actually true... as in was this her first ever nude shoot or did she misrepresent herself during the pre-shoot interview?? or something else. Are you able to confirm the answer to this. I appreciate that their are some things that are privileged between a model and AW that we have no right to know. But when its typed up in the rave and its now some questions raised about the truth of the information mentioned in the rave then I think a brief comment confirming or denying what AW has in their rave maybe needed.

    and Frans.... It is you I also like to know if a model has appeared in other sites. Nothing to do if she is a professional or amateur but If I like her it means that I can search and find more shoots of her. I don't need to know which ones as it would not be great business sense to talk about other websites during your own (AW) solo shoots. So totally understand why AW wouldn't want to go into too much detail.

    Pinky....

    ps: Always a little surprised with the number of errors in the model lists for the Editors Choice shoots. It's true that I now do go looking for them... But if I can find them in a relatively short period of time then I would have thought the person selecting the images should be able to keep a simple list as they go and have no errors... Or someone does a quick check to make sure the information is correct before they are released. I have heard from a few models that like the idea of being chosen for a Editors choice shoot... it's like the best off for a certain "type" of shoot at AW. Not to mention that these shoots are also like the random shoot widget... it brings back memories and encourages us to check out these models again or guides us on models we may have missed and are keen to see.

    ok.... rambles over... I mean observation and questions over...

    Pinky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Hi Guys,

    In relation to the models. We are trying to recruit models who are happy and healthy first and foremost. We are an amateur site, so we prefer our models to have the least amount of previous experience in front of a camera nude modeling. We also value models without any tattoos or piercings, who are passionate about the core values of our site: representing models as naturally as possible, hairy, no make-up, no cosmetic surgery etc. We also value models who are very passionate about their modeling experience.

    Sometimes we shoot models who have had previous nude modeling experience, although this is not our preference to shoot models with previous modeling experience, if the rest of our other values are met we may decide to shoot them. This is not a new thing and our policy on this has not changed, perhaps locating the models with less experience post moving to Amsterdam presented some difficulties, but we feel we have made major progress on this front and are continuing too.

    In rare cases models that have had more substantial experience will be shot because we feel they represent the rest of our core values very well. Whenever we do this we use the models "stage" name unless otherwise directed by the model or if the name is already taken. We are an amateur site and are committed to finding the most suitable models who can to represent our site as best as possible.
    Thanks for giving an answer on this, Rhyss. The one comment I'd make is that when you say at the end that "in rare cases" you will shoot models with more substantial experience, it doesn't really seem to be rare. In fact, it seems that the majority of new models have had substantial previous experience, not necessarily at hardcore B/G level, but definitely at solo and GG level. Last week's new model, Sofia M, for example, has had a huge amount of previous experience (at least 19 other websites before AW), and Pippa, who's coming tomorrow, has been modelling and doing webcam work for years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Regarding talking about previous modeling experiences, its not a no go zone for shooters to ask, however we are abbywinters.com and we prefer to focus on what we are doing and who the model really is, not on what models have done on other sites. We do ask some models why they decided to model naked and the general comments on this from the members have been relayed to the shooters and this will happen more regularly.
    That's an interesting comment, because when you say that AW prefers to focus on who the model really is, it seems to me that part of "who she really is" is the nude modelling that she does. If you think about it, when you meet someone for the first time, one of the first things you ask is usually what sort of work he or she does. So when a model is being chatted to in the first solo, as usually happens, a very normal thing to talk about would be what she does for a living.

    Also, modelling nude for a porn site is not something that every girl does. In fact, not many do it at all. So if the intention is for members to see the model "as she really is", one of the things that should be talked about is what brought her to decide to take this step, and whether this is her first time, and how she likes it.

    If the model is shy and doesn't want to talk about those things, then of course you don't go there. But most of the girls on the site are intelligent and they have thought about these things and they don't have any problems about talking about them, so it really should be a standard topic of conversation.

    I can't help thinking that one of the real reasons why models are hardly ever asked about their previous experience and attitudes to nude modelling is that the site often tries to present a model as shy and inexperienced even when that is just not true. I don't want to name names here, but I could do so. I hope that will no longer happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Kimberley was shot by Marc who is a photographer in the US. She applied to model and we wanted to shoot her and engaged with him. Contract shooters is something discussed before. We currently have Mia M shooting out of Berlin and will hopefully have some more, to bring you a greater range of the best models from all over the globe. Hopefully some soon from Spain. We add the shoot tags to identify the shooter and if it is going to be a more regular contributor they introduce themselves on the boards as Mia has already done.
    Like Pinky, I have no problem with contracting out shoots, so long as they are good ones. I very much liked the shoot of Brooklyn by Mia M. Anything that increases the number of new models and solos is good as far as I'm concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Regarding the number of solo's released. We are releasing less than before, but we are also releasing regular monthly additions like afterdark, girl-boy, mystery shoot, editor's choice and a radio podcast to diversify our content offering. Soon this will also include AW education.
    I still don't quite understand this. Of the releases you mention, only the After Dark shoots are solos, and they are all old shoots from Australia, two years or more ago, and personally I think they have been very disappointing. What I really don't understand is why the number of solos can't increase. There are plenty of experienced models in the UK and Europe (even if you limit it to English-speaking models there are still many), so shortage of models can't really be the main reason. Anyway, I'm disappointed that there don't seem to be any plans to increase the number of solos, because for me, it's the solos that make the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyss View Post
    Hi Guys,

    My name is Frankie. I have been working as the Creative Director at abbywinters.com for almost a year now. Previous to that I was a video editor for 4 years. I have been chatting to the members on a few different forums as was asked to create one place where you guys can send questions, comments and feedback. So if you have anything you want to ask or comment on please leave a post here and I will endeavour to get back to you ASAP.

    Enjoy the site.

    Best,

    Frankie
    After watching Kara D selfshot movie which excites me a lot it's maybe worth to consider to introduce real live shows where members can talk directly to the girls. I know from similar sites these ae very popular amongst the members

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    They tried camshows and I think it bombed?

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    As suggested this question is probably better suited here......

    Hi Rhyss
    One thing I have always wondered is why are the models "full" AW name not used in the video caption anymore.... example:

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    It seems to be a newish thing as back in the day we got the models full name.

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    Minor thing I know but pedantic Pinky likes things to be correct.
    Thanks

    Pedantic Pinky

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    Changes to the "sections"

    me again....

    umm a few quick questions....

    When did "Afterdark" change its name to Girls In Lingerie at night?? and ummm why?

    Why is the Girl/Boy section now called Me and My Girlfriend ?? To me and seeing it on AW makes me think of it as a lesbian section... Afterall, AW have been calling them Girl/Boy shoots (Not Boy/Girl as most pornsites do) for so long with what I always gathered was to add to the female friendly/empowered feel of them...

    Why the name change from "AW Educational" to "Learn how to get women" as some of the video's or questions are on keeping a girlfriend or general relationship advise nothing to do with getting a woman??? Personally "Learn how to get womEn" sounds like a cheap con that you see splatted all over the internet... But that is just my opinion.

    Just noticed we haven't had a mystery shoot since June last year... Which actually was the launch of the AW Educational series. Does this mean that this has gone the way of the VNL's which I loved BTW... any chance the old ones could be available for viewing..

    and lastly.... shouldn't Analyn last shoot be included in the "Video's of myself at home" section..?? I know this should really be in Content Administration - AKA Kylie gets to pester the post production team but I'm here now and Kylie may still read it...

    Thanks... Looking forward to your comments to this and the other questions/comments since your last post.

    Pinky...

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    I agree with Pinky on this I think he just noticed the name changes before most of us, looking forward to you answers on these questions

    but I'll answer one:
    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Just noticed we haven't had a mystery shoot since June last year... Which actually was the launch of the AW Educational series. Does this mean that this has gone the way of the VNL's which I loved BTW... any chance the old ones could be available for viewing..
    there was a mystery shoot this past month: http://www.abbywinters.com/girl_girl...stery_shoot_14 with two of AW's best Carmina and Merel

    this was the S/M style shoot, I thought it was fun to watch, very good model choices BTW not every model could make it work, and not sure many members were intersted but as an experiment AW has tried once in a blue moon, it's a good change of pace

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