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    #2
    so have the AW "rules" changed on tatoos? if so great....I cant keep it straight....

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      #3
      We thought we'd see how this shoot goes. So far, we have gotten a fair bit of negative feedback, but let's see.

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        #4
        for me it is ok
        Love Sabrina

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          #5
          I love Donna! She has got a great personality, a lovely body, a sweet Dutch accent, and, yes, a very cute bum! I am generally not a fan of (big) tattoos, but they are a minor thing in the total impression of a model, and I'd rather see them than have them artificially covered by a piece of textile (though that would need some doing in Donna's case!).

          Thank you very much for the shoot, Donna! I'd love to hear you talk about the tattoos in your next one!

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            #6
            I'm disappointed that there's been quite a bit of negative feedback to Donna's shoot,because I find myself in full agreement with you MidasShadow. I'm not a fan of big tattoos either but I've had to accept that they're a part of life these days,and that they give no indication of how a young woman as a person is and tattoos are,in that sense,unimportant.Covering them up with clothes or anything else isn't necessary and,if they've got them,show them.That some folks don't like them isn't a surprise,the variety in the site fetish section bears witness to that.Lovers or haters of tattoos,or anything else,really ought to accept the validity of different points of view.I hope Garion continues to allow them on the site as I thoroughly enjoyed the shoot despite not being a fan of tattoos.

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              #7
              Glad to hear you are potentially rethinking the tattoo policy. I can understand if there are members who don't enjoy models with fairly extensive tattoos like Donna has, however it drives me a little batty not getting to see beautiful models like Jada and Amber who have small tattoos fully naked.

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                #8
                Originally posted by trebor View Post
                Glad to hear you are potentially rethinking the tattoo policy. I can understand if there are members who don't enjoy models with fairly extensive tattoos like Donna has, however it drives me a little batty not getting to see beautiful models like Jada and Amber who have small tattoos fully naked.
                Many thanks ! I hope the rethinking has already begun.

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                  #9
                  I'll add my voice to the chorus of lifting the restrictions on tattoos. Donna is lovely with a fun personality and a great body she loves to show off, and that's really all any girl needs to be a successful Abby model. The goal of the site has always been to showcase pretty girls you could see in real life, and many of those girls have tattoos, so it would be nice if the door to AW was open to them as well. A few models have mentioned that they had pretty friends who were really excited to model as well, but then were apparently told they couldn't because of their tattoos, which made me disappointed for both girls.

                  Even if the site decides for whatever business reasons that extensive tattoos are not allowed, I join others in sincerely hoping that girls with a bit of ink on their shoulder or arm or something no longer need to cover it up. It's quite distracting when we just want to see pretty girls naked, and calls attention to the ink even more than if it were visible. It's particularly noticeable in girl-girl, when the models should be able to completely relax and let go. The last time this came up, the comments got pretty heated, so I hope this discussion will be respectful of everyone involved, whatever the outcome. Thanks for taking the time to consider the opinions of members.

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                    #10
                    "It's quite distracting when we just want to see pretty girls naked, and calls attention to the ink even more than if it were visible. It's particularly noticeable in girl-girl, when the models should be able to completely relax and let go."

                    I agree Massfan.

                    I have no problem with extensive tattoos adorning the lovely body of Donna-I rather like the rocker/goth look occasionally.

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                      #11
                      Take the girls as the individuals that they are!!!!! ITS NOT ABOUT IMPOSING OUR VALUES AND/OR FANTASYS ON THEM....EITHER YOU APPRECIATE THE FEMALE FORM AS EACH ONE IS PRESENTED OR YOU PASS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bigpapi View Post
                        ITS NOT ABOUT IMPOSING OUR VALUES AND/OR FANTASYS ON THEM....EITHER YOU APPRECIATE THE FEMALE FORM AS EACH ONE IS PRESENTED OR YOU PASS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT...
                        Unfortunately, many - the majority - of our paying customers (or, potentially paying customers) are not as accepting as you and others are here.

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                          #13
                          Has the customer base changed so much over the years,Mr.Hall? I remember models such as Susie,Zora,Selena and Fotina who were all prominently tattooed,yet I can't recall much discussion about their skin.In fact,both Susie and Fotina were especially popular over a number of years.Perhaps my memory is unconciously selective.However,I can understand you not wishing to have too many models who might be unpopular with a section of the base,but surely the occasional one simply adds to the fascinating variety you've always managed to achieve at AW.

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                            #14
                            Philchen, yes, the customer base has changed enormously over the last five years. It's been the most disruptive time in the adult industry's history, easily eclipsing VHS tapes and the switch to internet porn from there.

                            The Tube sites are destroying the industry. There's never been a time when models, staff, shooters, and producers have earned less money for the work they do. Less money means less profit and more risk. Most of our casual former customers simply visit a tube site for satisfaction now - they do not pay for porn any more. Many of our competitors have either gone out of business, or are a shadow of their former selves, and we're feeling the pinch (hence my insistence on some issues).

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by bigpapi View Post
                              EITHER YOU APPRECIATE THE FEMALE FORM AS EACH ONE IS PRESENTED OR YOU PASS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT...
                              I agree papi; and that's what I've done here. I didn't view this model's photo set; the thumbnail image was enough for me to know that I wanted to pass and move on to the next model. If I wanted to see models like this, I'd subscribe to SG. And, if AW decides to have more models like this I will continue to "pass and move on". When the time comes that I find myself passing a great many AW models because of their tattoos, I'll find another site instead that caters to my particular tastes.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by garionhall View Post
                                Philchen, yes, the customer base has changed enormously over the last five years. It's been the most disruptive time in the adult industry's history, easily eclipsing VHS tapes and the switch to internet porn from there.

                                The Tube sites are destroying the industry. There's never been a time when models, staff, shooters, and producers have earned less money for the work they do. Less money means less profit and more risk. Most of our casual former customers simply visit a tube site for satisfaction now - they do not pay for porn any more. Many of our competitors have either gone out of business, or are a shadow of their former selves, and we're feeling the pinch (hence my insistence on some issues).
                                I didn't realize things had changed so much,perhaps because I don't use ''Tube sites''.In fact,I'm not sure what Tube sites are or where to find them.With AW I simply found something I liked and decided to stay,though I usually have one or two other sites on the go but they are always ''expendable''.Few that I know of,or have tried,are as well run as Abbywinters and most of your content is spot on,as are the commercial decisions that are visible to us-that's why I stay and wish you luck in your management decisions at the same time!

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                                  #17
                                  Hey Pilchen, forgive me if I do not link to some Tube sites here, but they make hundreds of hours of adult videos available for free, in a youtube-like interface. They are well organised, and content is of high technical quality. They make money from selling ad space around the videos.

                                  Thanks for the kind words about us - we're working hard for people like you every day, to make the sexiest material we can. We do not take any of these decisions lightly.

                                  Best regards for a fine weekend!

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by slamthedoor View Post
                                    I agree papi; and that's what I've done here. I didn't view this model's photo set; the thumbnail image was enough for me to know that I wanted to pass and move on to the next model. If I wanted to see models like this, I'd subscribe to SG. And, if AW decides to have more models like this I will continue to "pass and move on". When the time comes that I find myself passing a great many AW models because of their tattoos, I'll find another site instead that caters to my particular tastes.
                                    I would guess that you're not the only one to do that. And Donna has too many tattoos for my taste. She looks like a nice girl and she has a right to do what she likes with her body, but I have a right to say that I prefer the look of girls in their natural state, more or less.

                                    A few tattoos are usually not a problem. If a girl has a butterfly on her thigh or a few words on her shoulder, both, that's fine. They don't detract from the overall picture. It's only when they pass a certain point that I'll say, No thanks.

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                                      #19
                                      I'm not a fan of the heavily-tattooed look myself, but it's not like AW's never going to shoot a tattoo-free model again. It's a change of pace, and I have no problem with that.

                                      And if this leads to a relaxation of the tattoo rules that force the shooters to work around Mirai's Sherlock tat and keep Jada and other models from getting fully naked, I support it 1000 percent. I don't mind a little tattoo or three.

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                                        #20
                                        I am a variety is the spice of life guy....every once and a while mix it up...AW is wonderful about exposing me to a wide variety...In fact - I credit AW with helping me determine..hey, I didnt know I like X or y but with the right setting or match up a favorite model with another model and all of a sudden I be come a fan of the other woman, that I ordinarily wouldnt like....AW has them curvy, busty, flat, thin, blonde, brunette, red head, tats, no tats, hairy or shaved ( I prefer hairy strongly but will look and occassionally fall for a shaved model!) etc...every shade, ethnicity and quirk....for me its a smorgasbord...

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                                          #21
                                          I really, really, really like Donna. Also, very interesting to read the thoughts in the board on tattoos. As a photographer, I usually don't like to shoot models with tattoos either, since they are hard to work around and often distracting. But Donna's are really well planned out and give a great symmetry to her body so that any pose she seems to assume just naturally works well with her tattoos.

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