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    #61
    ooooooooooo,, tough one .......

    hmmmmm,, the way i see it is,, I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING!!!!!! .... hehe, na,, yes but thats not what i was going to say ....

    im edging more towards stills,,,, because,,, you can really capture the beauty and sexiness of a model in one frame ... as ive said in past posts i prefer viewing my and other models stills over the vids for that reason and the interest in photograghy .. (as much to susies dismay) ,, the lighting over the models body, the angles, the mood , its all captured in that single frame and thats just beautiful .....

    buuuuuuuuut,, the vids are a lot of fun and are very hot and sexy,, and i always have a great time and you cant beat the gorgeous girls you get to meet and play with

    gx

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      #62
      Alert! Alert! Punctuation overload!

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        #63
        Originally posted by greta View Post
        I'm edging more towards stills, because you can really capture the beauty and sexiness of a model in one frame ... as I've said in past posts I prefer viewing my and other models' stills over the vids for that reason and the interest in photography ... the lighting over the models body, the angles, the mood, it's all captured in that single frame and that's just beautiful .....(punctuation overload modified)
        I very much empathize with what Greta is saying here. Sure, as she says, the action one gets to see in the vids is "very hot and sexy", but on the other hand, thanks to the superbly high level of photography here, one sees again and again single stills that capture volumes of sheer beauty, stills that, when dropped like pebbles into the pool of one's imagination, can spread powerful ripples. It's all good!

        takochan

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          #64
          I like the way the stills look in the video newsletter

          Stills & Video are both incredibly terrific here

          Videos are great because you get to listen to the naughty wet noises, the deepened breaths, the voice of a model as she recounts her last sexual escapade

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            #65
            Originally posted by greta View Post
            ooooooooooo,, tough one .......

            hmmmmm,, the way i see it is,, I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING!!!!!! .... hehe, na,, yes but thats not what i was going to say ....

            im edging more towards stills,,,, because,,, you can really capture the beauty and sexiness of a model in one frame ... as ive said in past posts i prefer viewing my and other models stills over the vids for that reason and the interest in photograghy .. (as much to susies dismay) ,, the lighting over the models body, the angles, the mood , its all captured in that single frame and thats just beautiful .....

            buuuuuuuuut,, the vids are a lot of fun and are very hot and sexy,, and i always have a great time and you cant beat the gorgeous girls you get to meet and play with

            gx
            Greta dear heart, you are hot in any kind of shoot you do.

            I like the vids because it is showing the models having fun and seeing their lovely bodies and orgasms is a big plus and a joy to watch.

            Stills solo or gg are also great because they too are showing us they are having fun.

            The girls who only do stills, T-1 and T-2 are to be admired because they are gracing us with their lovely bodies and personalty.

            All the AW staffers who take stills are also to be admired because we get such high quality pics for us to gaze and drool over.

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              #66
              Just like Blond, Brunette, Redhead question. Different, but all great! Pose different technical and artistic skills.

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                #67
                I like both!

                Still photos are all about the detail, when you want to see every sexy curve in intricate detail on the model.

                The videos on the other hand are about atmosphere and personality, theres much more focus on the person themselves. For me personality is still my #1 turn on, and models that demonstrate a great outlook on life sometimes do it for me more than any portrait ever could.

                So as far as I see it they go hand in hand to compliment each other.


                On a side note I also find it fun trying to geuss how a particular model sounds and what sort of orgasm they would make from the pictures and then seeing how close I was in the videos.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by djbassaus View Post
                  I like both!

                  Still photos are all about the detail, when you want to see every sexy curve in intricate detail on the model.

                  The videos on the other hand are about atmosphere and personality, theres much more focus on the person themselves. For me personality is still my #1 turn on, and models that demonstrate a great outlook on life sometimes do it for me more than any portrait ever could.

                  So as far as I see it they go hand in hand to compliment each other.


                  On a side note I also find it fun trying to geuss how a particular model sounds and what sort of orgasm they would make from the pictures and then seeing how close I was in the videos.

                  Very well said ! I agree fully.

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                    #69
                    Create your own stills.

                    I never look at the stills of an upcoming video. My first encounter has to be 'live'. I never listen, I talk. Then I might check the stills for a good 'before' shot to go with the video so I can switch back and forth for a before and after effect. But, along that line, the best before and afters are usually found in the video itself so that calls for downloading the mpg first and then the wmv
                    for the switching back and forth. I create my own stills. Most of my favourite images are pause-clips from the videos. I write down the time and occasionally a code word , like, 3:21, 'standing, undies facing right'.

                    As for the stills-only shots, sure, I download them and enjoy some but not nearly as much as the videos. With the videos she's mine, to move around, backwards and forwards, and talk to and pause and replay and so forth.
                    Last edited by lpadge; 15 September 2007, 10:33 PM.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Lucie View Post
                      stills, for sure.

                      there's something indescribably sexy about a frozen image. it's like reality & time both stop forever, captured in the frame.
                      I love thinking about photographs in this way.

                      For me, it differs according to the shoot type. For solo shoots I prefer shooting the stills. Like Giselle, I worry that I sound silly and lost for words in the vids. For GG shoots the vids are just AMAZING to shoot *drifts off into fantasy land*

                      Viewing sets I very rarely watch the videos. I havent watched any of mine (and dont plan to) but I love looking at my stills. I have a thing about sets with shadowy lighting. I find it amazingly sexy and just gorgeous

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                        #71
                        I prefer posing for stills, rather than video. Being a photographer, I think I'd prefer shooting stills as well. Film can be very flat, where as there seems to be something very magical about stills - like its a portal into another world. Being arty with film can be alot harder too - where as alot of the time when shooting stills, its just the matter of changing the lights, bumping up the aperture, and changing the lens.

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                          #72
                          well i really enjoy doing the stills, and i'll never get sick of looking at hot pic of myself. i love videos more. i've only really done one video where i'm talking (the one thats up now of me at 19) and that was years ago and i was nervous and had no idea what to talk about! ha ha could do better now anyhow, i love stills but i think that the videos of AW are fab. all the girls are beautiful and they do show personality, not really into porn but i really can get into the vids hear

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                            #73
                            I see this thread has died, but I LOVE the stills. I am a younger guy...much younger than most of the guys posting here... I am also a photographer and videographer. There's nothing like the still... They just capture the moment in a way that video can't. They are representations of what the photographer sees in a person. When you look at the still, you are looking at what the photographer saw and you can connect with the photog that way. So in a way, the photograph is a picture of the person that was behind the camera.

                            PS: this was my 400 post! it was meaningful at that!!!

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                              #74
                              ^If you pause an HD quality video (1920x1080) in playback you get a still. Now consider how long a video is and you get a great many stills.

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                              Depends on the resolution and content.

                              3000 pixels or higher and I an appreciate stills. No not because they are bigger but because they are more detailed. I don't frankly understand the point of looking at postcards when you can see posters.

                              For example, Met-Art, MPL Studios, and Femjoy all have incredible still photography. Not because of the models, but because of the locations of the shoots and the skill of the photogs. The shots are beautiful and highly detailed because of the resolution. Yes the models are the focus and they too are a cut above generally.

                              Ditto for videos. I appreciate the 16:9 aspect ration of recent Abby videos but the bit rate is still very low. However AW videos are like an entire cup of sugar, I just can't watch them straight. Adding HD might make it even harder to enjoy the videos, but don't listen to me what do I know

                              Having 1 gig videos several times a week is just not practical for some websites, I wouldn't mind though paying more, or double for my membership if the video quality was there and the models were into it.

                              Frankly I'm spoiled by sites that do offer proper HD content (fit for viewing on larger Full HD LCD panels), in resolution and bit-rate, and can offer gigabyte videos or bigger. I'm here at Abby because the content I want is here. Would be nice to have HD content if it was offered.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by lzimbu View Post
                                ^If you pause an HD quality video (1920x1080) in playback you get a still. Now consider how long a video is and you get a great many stills.

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                                Depends on the resolution and content.

                                3000 pixels or higher and I an appreciate stills. No not because they are bigger but because they are more detailed. I don't frankly understand the point of looking at postcards when you can see posters.

                                For example, Met-Art, MPL Studios, and Femjoy all have incredible still photography. Not because of the models, but because of the locations of the shoots and the skill of the photogs. The shots are beautiful and highly detailed because of the resolution. Yes the models are the focus and they too are a cut above generally.

                                Ditto for videos. I appreciate the 16:9 aspect ration of recent Abby videos but the bit rate is still very low. However AW videos are like an entire cup of sugar, I just can't watch them straight. Adding HD might make it even harder to enjoy the videos, but don't listen to me what do I know

                                Having 1 gig videos several times a week is just not practical for some websites, I wouldn't mind though paying more, or double for my membership if the video quality was there and the models were into it.

                                Frankly I'm spoiled by sites that do offer proper HD content (fit for viewing on larger Full HD LCD panels), in resolution and bit-rate, and can offer gigabyte videos or bigger. I'm here at Abby because the content I want is here. Would be nice to have HD content if it was offered.

                                I can agree with you on the fact that bigger pictures/video doesn't make for better content... I still say that still images can capture a moment in a way that video can't... I do like videos, but when you don't have the type of bandwidth to download them in less than 5 minutes, it's not worth it as much. Also, I can't afford to have my HD filled with porn. I actually use this thing for other purposes as well!

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                                  #76
                                  All the more reason to have Blu-rays

                                  But if you're unwilling to wait 5 minutes, you probably aren't willing to wait for the mail either.

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                                    #77
                                    Originally posted by lzimbu View Post
                                    All the more reason to have Blu-rays

                                    But if you're unwilling to wait 5 minutes, you probably aren't willing to wait for the mail either.
                                    Actually, It's not just the 5 min. wait. It slows down everything else I do online as well.
                                    I haven't bought a blue-ray player yet. You know, there will be 4k cinema cameras out soon at prices cheaper than some HDTV video cameras! I like to wait before buying into new technology. Prices always drop after the first couple years. eg. the iPhone... competitors always make things that are just as good and sometimes better as well. eg. the iPhone lol

                                    I just need faster internet. I can't get much faster because of my location. That may change though...

                                    I love ordering DVDs from LezLove... They ship really fast!

                                    My prediction for the future is that Blue-Ray will be the last form of media that we will buy for movies. I think that direct downloading and some form of flash memory drive will phase out optical and tape based memory. It's happening to the CD as we speak! AW shoots to hard drives instead of tape as well! They have HD equipment... I am sure they could offer HD; however, bandwith and the cost of switching to blue-ray may be holding them back.
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                                      #78
                                      An excellent point (4K)

                                      But just WHO will invest in 4K?

                                      No one. I'm 100% certain that 4K will remain a cinema resolution for a while with very limited adoption. Why?

                                      Broadcasters aren't going to switch to 4K, not for years. They are having enough trouble moving to 1080p as it is.

                                      Ever ask yourself what happened to SACD? Why don't musicians make 4 and 6 channel music?
                                      Why doesn't AW have 720p and 1080p content? besides the costs involved, no one needs it. Until the content producers start making the content, I'm sure you're heard, "build it and they will come"?

                                      We've just hurt ourselves, most of us, buying 1080p capable panels. Some of us have been burned because the technology and performance wasn't really that great and the price hasn't yet become reasonable for swift adoption of 1080p panels, support hardware and associated services.

                                      About the cheapest thing right now are bluray players and movies (RIP HDDVD), meaning they are the element of HD that is bringing people in. They generate the interest for people to consider buying an HD LCD panel. I mean the big box stores have the panels up and they are stunning, but until you start watching movies on bluray on a regular basis, or TV on alarge LCD panel, you can remain content with regular TV.

                                      Outside of the mainstream, which isn't even a reasonable thing to say, people are buying widescreen monitors and HDTV panels because their favorite websites are supporting bluray. I myself have been trying to make the switch for years, only recently though did it become possible to get my panel and bluray super-multidrive. Before getting the drive though I used my panel as my desktop to play games and watch 1080p movies, trailers etc. Suits me perfectly because I get HD games, TV and movies from the same source.


                                      But to then ask the networks to support 1080p (which they don't, they like 1080i), never mind asking the cable and satellite services to upgrade (if needed) after they've already just upgraded (or are still in the process of) to show what little current HD content there is.. not going to happen.

                                      It will start with movies, then other things like consoles and computer games. The more websites support bluray and HD content the more people will see a need to invest in the upgrade.


                                      Are they (broadcasters) waiting for 4K? nope. They are continuing to make money on the content they have. Investing in tomorrows technology without any content being made for it makes no sense. When people haven't the will to upgrade their hardware either, and many of us already have and won't again for a while, doesn't make financial sense.

                                      I'll be the first though to stand drooling in front of the first Tosh or Sammy 4K panel, Guaranteed, when they start arriving at my local big box store. There's no way I'm giving up my current panel, nor any way I'd ever be able to afford one on my own.

                                      People are evidently leery of the digital switch over. Adding 4K to that conundrum, and a requirement for a new TV, a new broadcast standard (2160p), a new disc format (currently bluray can't cope with 4K without more layers). It's more money to spend on nothing since 1080p is more than adequate to become the new base line broadcast standard, where 720p is still a better baseline for more people.

                                      It's the basic argument against bluray adoption. DVD is adequate for the current hardware and distribution networks, why go blu? you have to spend more money. Why pay more for a bluray when I can buy the DVD?

                                      Most people can say they have a couple or half dozen dvd players in the house already. They don't see the need for a bluray player, and tv, and an upgrade to their cable service, etc.

                                      So if you even know about 4K, willing or not to buy a 4K TV or projector (none yet affordable), then you should also know about Super Hi-Vision.

                                      4K will be the middle man as Bluray is the middle man to Super Hi-Vision or 4320p and holographic discs (HVD).



                                      Meanwhile, even though I said it myself, that ordering from adult websites isn't going to be the swing vote... hasn't it always been?

                                      Funnier still that in the book I'm writing its the very thing that encourages people to upgrade to yet another new high resolution video standard. We know what we are going to be watching, and we want to watch it in the highest possible quality for the hardware we can afford.
                                      Last edited by lzimbu; 13 October 2008, 02:53 PM.

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                                        #79
                                        Bah....so much technotalk!!! scaring poor little cleo!!! the mind boggles.

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                                          #80
                                          sorry love, I don't get much opportunity to blog anymore. just flexing the muscle.

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                                            #81
                                            Originally posted by cleo View Post
                                            Bah....so much technotalk!!! scaring poor little cleo!!! the mind boggles.
                                            Awww.. it's not THAT bad Cleo, really. Sort of talking about increasing the video-quality (tech) and if people would want the related HUGE downloads (think, GGT3 shoot almost filling 70% of a dvd ;-).

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                                              #82
                                              Originally posted by Frans View Post
                                              HUGE downloads (think, GGT3 shoot almost filling 70% of a dvd ;-).
                                              yeah, it does take me a long time to download GG videos...

                                              Hi Izi

                                              I have been keeping up with the 4k cinema cameras at red.com... a videographer told me that they will be available for the same prices as existing HDV cameras.

                                              I think that the 4k format will be a Cinema format possibly a replacement for 35mm film! I think Red cameras are being pitched toward filmmakers. After all, more and more films are being shot on both 35mm and digital. I know the first of the new Star Wars films was shot in HD as opossed to film. If you remember...HD (or one of the HD formats) was originally invented by NHK as a film to digital format!

                                              I am slow to adopt new technology as I mentioned before. So I will not be buying a Blue-Ray player until the prices of existing HDTVs go down. TV networks are slow to update equipment because it costs millions to do so! I worked at a production house where they had $15,000 USD studio cameras. When you add the tape decks, controlers/switchers, servers, patch boards, sound equipment into all of that, you can easily see why they are slow to change. (ok, some interfaces can stay, but a lot will need upgrading)

                                              One other comment... I am not sure if people even want hi-res as much as they want hi-quality... Sites like Youporn and xHammster have low quality videos that people love to watch. I see that there is a lot of homemade stuff there too. You know "Amateur" is not just a title for the star in front of the lens, it also involves the quality of the image.

                                              I personally prefer seeing a really high quality picture in low resolution than a crappy image in hi-resolution. Compare video from a mini DV standard def handycam and that from an early 90's era field production beta-cam video camera(the ones they use for news coverage). The cheap mini DV camcorder doesn't quite have the color and image quality of the field production camera... It all comes down to CCD quality.

                                              Back to pictures. I still love stills. I doubt that we will replace stills with video... even if that means replacing the paper with LCD or plasma displays.


                                              Izimbu, you should submit that post to Popular Mechanics or American Cinematographer lol!

                                              Don't worry Cleo, you look pretty no matter what resolution we see you in.

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                                                #83
                                                I'm wondering if HDV won't be adopted more quickly by those same amateurs videographers that you mention.

                                                All of those video upload networks, I even know some guys trying to make one, can offer HDV content (720p resolution).

                                                And ironically Star Wars is the poster child for all digital movie making, but many people didn't like it. I know it won't influence serious directors but the costs of upgrading versus the reticence to spend the money to upgrade will keep many directors using celluloid film for a while yet.

                                                I'm just glad that along with garage documentary videographers many adult websites and networks are making the switch faster than film production houses. The film guys just don't need it. And adult websites that want to be taken seriously can't survive on cellphone captured footage alone, they know it.

                                                It makes you wonder then if the film guys aren't going to take it like a bucket of ice water in the face that the porn guys are again, and as usual, on the forefront of technological advancement. The film guys are too entrenched in celluloid film that they can't seriously consider going all digital for a while. Nobody wants to relieve them of their current equipment. At least the newer houses, who couldn't afford to buy equipment in the first place, have the option of going digital by renting the equipment. Once 4K starts making sense I would think they would invest in it heavily. But that doesn't guarantee that theaters the world over, or even in developed areas will adopt 4K projectors. Like every other segment of the market cinema owners have felt the pinch and are as leery as anyone to make the switch to projecters. Where they should have been the first given that film grain and all that bullshit is a good reason to wait the extra quarter or two and just buy the bluray.

                                                Did I say that? yep. Bluray for the moment IS a viable alternative to watching films in theaters.

                                                Two examples are Ironman and Superbads. Though Ironman is very heavy with the filmgrain it is a movie you'll watch over and over, defeating film hands down. While Superbads is an example of a perfectly authored hyper-crisp bluray.

                                                I would never have seen such a movie in theaters but it was stunning to watch it at home. Yeah it sucked as but it was beautiful throughout.

                                                I'm just waiting now for Wall-E, Wanted, DeathRace and Traitor, the last two I missed viewing in theaters and don't much mind because the at home experience is better and guaranteed to be digital.

                                                Which is I suppose an argument in favor of the argument that consumers will buy into 4K to expand that at home experience before theaters will, bringing the movie going experience up to full par.

                                                Are we willing to pay the couple dozen grand for the projectors? a hundred dollars for optical media? or direct access to a movie distributors server?

                                                We'll see. I do think that people are too stuck in their ways about going to a theater to watch movies, and should consider the at home alternative at their fingertips.

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                                                  #84
                                                  Could we get somewhat back on topic, i.e. "stills vs videos" ? Feel free to create Blue-Ray or whatever hidef thread in the Mundance Chatter section though!

                                                  Thanks.

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                                                    #85
                                                    personally I only watch videos. Never been interested in stills

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                                                      #86
                                                      That was a nice conversation Zimbu. If I had a hard drive with all of the AW videos (in 4k res) and stills as well as a 4k capable projector, I could die a happy man

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                                                        #87
                                                        I will give 50% for images, 49% for GG vids. and 1% for IM vids

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                                                          #88
                                                          Then you'll miss the joy of Solos entirely.

                                                          Or they'd need their own dedicated drive :P

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                                                            #89
                                                            I know what Abby means!

                                                            I would consider myself an artist, studying the subjects on a day to day basis, and because I'm always behind the stills camera, I prefer to be in front of it too! I think it's easier that way.. especially when you know what it's like to be behind it and what makes for good photos. But I can't be sure.. mine haven't come up yet!!
                                                            Main reason I like stills.. I feel like I can move freely. Mind over matter maybe?

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                                                              #90
                                                              I like stills. I get a bit awkward/shy in video, and in stills it's better posibile to be perfectionist. I like to take time to do a lot of stills and look awesome

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