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    hi giselle

    trying to understand: what do you mean?

    it does seem that a lot of this thread is business related and so (unfortunately) are treating models as a commodity or a product. that's an offensive stance if it were personal. i don't think it is, i kinda just think it's boring...

    you are one of my favorite women here. please tell me what you mean, if you feel you can.

    with love and concern,
    dancer

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      sweatyfox, you're pissing me off. You're flying off the handle, assuming the absolute worst when you (of all people) know to expect the best, and be delivered the best.

      How do you know there are not already porn stars on the site? How do you know they are not your fave models?

      maybe they are, maybe they're not. We're trying new things, mixing it up a bit. You personally will not like every decision we make, but this is not sweatyfox.com. End of the day, I think you'll love what we do. It's disappointing for me to hear the accusation of selling out, when that's not what we're doing, and in fact fighting hard against doing.

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        Hey,

        Sorry that I've pissed you off Abby, I don't go out of my way to try and do so. I was just being honest about my worries but I realise that on subjects such as this that doesn't win you any popularity. Maybe I should be a more naturally optimistic person. I won't post anymore in this thread for a while after this post which is purely responding to some of the suggestions made by others and to clarify my opinions. All I would say is that as well as supporting this site for a few years now I have always tried my best to contribute in different ways, especially to the vibrant boards, to let the models know my appreciation of them which goes beyond the simply physical (way beyond in many cases) and it is precisely because I care about the AW girls and the site that I get passionate about arguning the toss when I'd probably not be bothered elsewhere. I never thought this site was to cater to my interests, or any particular members interests, in fact even though we do get to give feedback, it's precisely cos the girls do what they want and express themselves how they want to that I enjoy AW and the same goes for the photographers/videographers and all the staff. If you want to highlight examples of members who are demanding you're not looking in the right place with me, neither will I be held up as the enemy either when I haven't ever denigrated this site or the models and staff on it.

        Aggie, I agree with you and Giselle that Phoenix did a good job but that's got a lot to do with the fact she left any porn star attitude at the door when she shot for AW and her T3 with Chloe B is a great example of that. To me it seems like she enjoyed the g/g shoots and what she did for AW far more than what she has done elsewhere because she was able to express herself freely and genuinely enjoyed the girls she was with. This doesn't translate to mean I want to see lots of pro-adult stars on AW of any nationality as most don't hold a candle to seeing the natural girl next door and her sexuality in full flow. I thought that's what most of us were here for.

        Oh and what about Sahara who also has experience in the adult industry over there and said she much preferred the whole Abbywinters experience.

        I never thought all porn stars were drug addled whores and I know of many intelligent women who work in the US adult industry. However if I wanted to see them in action I can go view them at their website or at one of the major companies' websites. However I choose not to, I don't want to see porn stars or professional actresses here, save the occasional special case like Phoenix. I came here to AW to escape that world where it is mostly acting and where a lot of the girls seems to just want to do whatever sexual acts will please the mostly male fans. There is a big difference between a porn star and a model who has just done work for a few other adult sites before this, which I know some AW models have done and will do after AW as well.

        Aggie, though I am desperately disappointed at not being able to go to Vegas and meet models I really am fond of like Chloe B and Melita, I am not bitter about good folks like you and Dancer getting to go. I hope you have a great time. This is not why I am questioning the Vegas trip, it is much more to do with being concerned about the future direction of this site. The Vegas trip was originally sold to us as being about going to spread the word about AW as it is now, a brilliant site with natural Aussie (and girls from other countries who find themselves in Oz) amateurs displaying their real sexuality and personalities as they would in real life. About changing peoples minds, seeking new distribution and other partnerships but also holding firm against pressures from others to change to become more like them.

        Frans I agree with you that this site has built up a great reputation as doing things in its own distinct (and as far as I am concerned far superior) way. I know there are happy healthy girls in the USA biz (I used to be a fan of girls like Ann Marie, Felix Vicious and Judy Starr) but you could always tell they were acting even though some of them genuinely did seem to like other girls etc. They appear on plenty of sites including their own personal ones and I could easily search them out if I wanted to. But these days I prefer real amateur girls with personality, some of whom actually enjoy chatting and interacting with us as well as appreciating the opportunities AW gives to do things like explore attraction to other girls in a safe and real non-scripted environment.

        Flingwing, that is the other thing I wonder. How big does a site need to be. I am all for greater exposure of an excellent site like this. However you can hardly say AW isn't doing well for itself. The site looks brilliant, there seems to be plenty money not only to pay models but to donate to very worthy causes, buy new HD cameras, do quality shoots up in FNQ. I can fully comprehend getting the DVD and video content to a wider audience over the internet, thru vendors and on TV.

        I tend to think we have a more discerning quality of member here at AW and I think it is important to target the many more people out there who feel 'disenfranchised' by the porn on offer elsewhere and have been waiting for a site like this but just don't know about it. AW has always seemed to advertise in the right kind of areas to the right kind of people, not gone after people who like their Jemma Jameson anal scenes and aren't likely to change. I just wonder how focused this whole Vegas thing is and whether a special effort will be made to establish partnerships with likeminded people (and not just any big company that shows interest) and also to target channels which are likely to attract the right kind of members to AW in the future who will appreciate the site for what it is.

        A huge point I was trying to make in my earlier slightly annoyed post was the fact that the type girls at AW are the most important part for me, followed very closely by the style in which AW does things. If you lose EITHER the GIRLS or the style you lose the heart of the site. I'm not interested in seeing actresses Jenna Jameson or Scarlett Johansson on this site even if it was shot in an AW style. If you really wanted to shoot them fine but it would have to be on a spinoff site. Someone like Missy Higgins would be acceptable purely because she is not a porn star and would basically be an Aussie amateur, she doesn't seem to have a superstar attitude either.

        See folks, I do still have a sense of humour after all. I'll continue to support you guys even though I am now in Abby's black book (funny as there are surely people more deserving of being in it) and she obviously won't welcome any further commentary or dissent from me either on this subject or related topics. And for the record I think the Vegas models will do a great job in representing the site as they are each one of them a great example of what AW is all about.

        SF

        PS I apologise for my statement about selling out and I hope at some point Abby will recognise that not only do am I not demanding this be sweatyfox.com but that my contributions over the years on several different threads should far outweigh me raising some reservations about Vegas on this one thread over a few weeks. However what I always say is read back thru a selection of my posts over the years and judge me on what I have said and the way I have behaved towards people, it has always been the real me.
        Last edited by sweatyfox; 27 November 2007, 12:05 AM.

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          On this matter of what AW models have done in the past or are doing elsewhere, I can't get too jazzed about it. For one thing, there are shades of gray in everything in life. Shades of porn, shades of experience in porn. I think most of us know old-school porn when we see it. If a model with some hard core experience shows at Abby's door and can, as they say, leave it at the doorstep and become herself, as many can, then she should be made welcome, loved and embraced, (maybe even "saved" here and there.) Porn actresses have their private moments, too, I'm sure, and most should be able to enjoy performing without a hard script.

          The bottom line is the final product we see and the realities and also fantasies that may come along with it. Our voices have been heard. I, personally, believe Abby is trying hard to do just the same thing we are hoping for. It is HER site, after all, and her baby she has created. She is not going to destroy her own creation and vision.

          I don't know about the financials. I don't know whether Abby and friends are reaping millions or thousands or what. They might be putting every dollar into that state-of-the-art equipment. Abby mentioned that the Vegas trip will be expensive. If her operation were that huge, it would be a drop in the bucket and she wouldn't mention it that way. It's not really our business or our worry. We should be grateful that she shares as much as she does with us.

          Let's just give her our vote of confidence and ask how we can help!

          P.S. No, I'm not wiping off my nose!!
          Last edited by FloridaRob; 26 November 2007, 10:32 PM. Reason: Added P.S.

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            And this is why more knowledge doesn't always equal more happiness. Blue pill anyone ?

            Rob if you want you can read this pretty in-depth interview with Abby. You might prefer not to though, the short version is that Abby can prolly pay for the trip just fine, it IS still a lot of money though.. you do want a return on that.

            -----end-of-boring-business-stuff----save-chit-chat-below-this-line-----------end-of-boring-business-stuff----save-chit-chat-below-this-line---------

            Well the models going sure will have a fun (if slightly exhausting) time, that's some form of return-on-investment Always very rewarding to make girls/ladies happy.. well for me anyway.

            Any more news on WHAT is going to happen at the AW stand? No large plasma screens if I remember correctly, are you going to let Melita give out AW-bottles like that AW-Today pic some time ago? Would be verrrrry populair I think, although AEE has some pesky non-nude rules or something... bwah.

            Hmm.. are there bellydancers on the Vegas team?

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              Oh look what I just found;

              AbbyWinters.com nominated for two AVN Awards;

              Nominees AVN Awards 2008

              - Best All-Girl Series (all g/g movies)
              - Best Amateur Series "Intimate Moments" series

              I guess you'll have to attend the awards ceremony anyway

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                Originally posted by fransAW View Post
                Oh look what I just found;

                AbbyWinters.com nominated for two AVN Awards;

                Nominees AVN Awards 2008

                - Best All-Girl Series (all g/g movies)
                - Best Amateur Series "Intimate Moments" series

                I guess you'll have to attend the awards ceremony anyway
                I would have thought that g/g is an easy win, apart from the Women seeking Women and Bellezza series', most of the other nominees are just high budget mainstream crap. I just hope the awards will be fair to outsiders and not just the known companies.

                Homegrown do some good amateur stuff but again in a sensible world the AW IM series would be one of the favourites in that category too.

                However surely what AW should have been nominated for is Best Amateur Adult Website, or is that a separate awards at the Internet Expo they have.



                SF
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                  Originally posted by sweatyfox View Post
                  I would have thought that g/g is an easy win, apart from the Women seeking Women and Bellezza series', most of the other nominees are just high budget mainstream crap. I just hope the awards will be fair to outsiders and not just the known companies.
                  You can't be 'fair' when voting according to taste, not compatible The g/g group is more difficult due to some proper competition. Don't forget those two entries from Triangle Films, that's Kathryn Annelle former WsW and now gone solo with a shall we say consistently younger cast (and better tech too)

                  If you'd win in that catagorie you've accomplished something. The series one, seems to be entirely determined by taste so that is more guess work.

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                    somehow i doubt jenna jameson - even if she was still working, and even if we did want her - would agree to work on abbywinters.com. let's be realistic, guys. i personally think it'd be really fun to have an occasional (sporadic, every now and then, rare, uncommon) special set with a cute girl who already works in industry - and who fits the paradigm.

                    think about it. abby will never, EVER let anyone who doesn't fit the paradigm anywhere near the site - of that i am sure. after all, that's why the site exists in the first place, and that's what our abby is most protective over. i have every confidence that it will be awesome.

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                      Originally posted by gabrielle View Post
                      somehow i doubt jenna jameson - even if she was still working, and even if we did want her - would agree to work on abbywinters.com. let's be realistic, guys. i personally think it'd be really fun to have an occasional (sporadic, every now and then, rare, uncommon) special set with a cute girl who already works in industry - and who fits the paradigm.
                      I bet Jenna used to get paid far more than what you guys can afford to pay your models. She was a one of the highest profile pornstars in the biz. Not to mention the fact that she became some what of a marginal celebrity; check out her page on Wikipedia...

                      On the up side, she is "all natural" now!Lol

                      I do think that more popular American STILL photo models could work for AW. I don't know if the pay would be competitive especially for print models... But it's worth a try. Plus there are still some natural models working in print.
                      (Note that I use the word model and not pornstar for non mainstream big budget highly paid adult industry actresses...)

                      I hope that was more constructive than anything else I have posted in the passed...

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                        Originally posted by fransAW View Post
                        Rob if you want you can read this pretty in-depth interview with Abby. You might prefer not to though, the short version is that Abby can prolly pay for the trip just fine, it IS still a lot of money though.. you do want a return on that.
                        I really would like to thank Abby and Garion for doing that interview! It was really insiteful and shed a lot more insite into the creators of AW. I think it may have cleared some speculations about things especially since Abby is so secretive.

                        Good luck with the nominations. I hope that the IM series works out because it is the most original thing in AW DVD media. I hope that the judges see it that way. There are tons of all girl series' out there. I know that the major production companies have cashed in on that market as well. They usually get the awards in that field unless something unique and special comes along...
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                          When Abby asked the question, "What about getting some porn stars to appear in our shoots, shot in the AW style?", I went back and re-read the interview with Abby and Garion in AdultDVDTalk.

                          Here is the section I especially re-read.

                          Right now you've been concentrating in solo-girl and girl/girl content. Are you going to stay with that, or do you see yourselves applying your philosophies to guy/girl content? What about a male version of " Intimate Moments," or gay-male titles?
                          Garion: We have done a few girl-boy shoots, and they are pretty popular. It's our #1 request from customers.
                          Abby: I had this theory: if we're going to do it, we'd only do it with our models' own, real-life partners. The models are more keen this way, and there's undeniable passion there (that is often lacking from mainstream shoots).
                          Garion: The problem is, for most non-professional boys it's all over in the first two minutes of the video (or 20 frames of stills). One shoot, we had to go back five days in a row for the video, and the poor guy still could not get a grip. It's understandable—our models are all damn sexy!—but it makes it hard to shoot.
                          There are ways around it, but we need to decide if it's something we really want to do. We also need to consider if it'd freak out our existing models—some models choose to do the gentle nude only posing (knees together!) and we don't want to freak them out at the recruitment stage by telling them we shoot hardcore stuff as well (we're really big on keeping our models fully informed, so we'd never omit the truth in the auditions).
                          Abby: Again, there're ways around it. One day I expect we'll produce GB, and maybe BB stuff a well. We know nothing about the market, and I don't know what our shooters would think of shooting that stuff! Never say never, and all that...
                          Garion: Yes, we never rule things out—we have a big list of potential ideas for shoots and whole sites. Right now the site we have is keeping us plenty busy.



                          Both Abby and Garion say that "there are ways round" shooting boy/girl hardcore without the problems of using amateurs like the girls' own partners. Is the answer to use "some porn stars to appear in our shoots, shot in the AW style?" That could be male porn stars, not females as has been discussed so far.

                          There cannot be much scope in introducing female porn stars to AW, other than for novelty value or marketing. Having male porn stars slightly excites me but it also greatly worries me about the future of the site. Would enough current and future models want to get involved? How would it affect the AW brand of real amateur girls? For me, AW is all about the truly gorgeous girls you manage to find. I have not missed the girl/boy action, I go elsewhere for that. Maybe that is the issue, your plan is to cover the g/b market as well.

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                            Originally posted by ratyrl View Post
                            Both Abby and Garion say that "there are ways round" shooting boy/girl hardcore without the problems of using amateurs like the girls' own partners. Is the answer to use "some porn stars to appear in our shoots, shot in the AW style?" That could be male porn stars, not females as has been discussed so far.
                            No. That is not what was said, they were discussing the problem of the male partner in a b/g shoot coming (much) too early. Which is why one shoot took five takes/days once. The idea of switching the partner to solve the problem is yours There are other factors you can change, without loosing the 'b/g between established partners' idea.

                            There are simpler solutions for this problem;

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                            Only AU$ 17, which is easily saved doing the entire shoot in one take so I propose to include this for free ;-)

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                              hy where is the actual forum now

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                                Originally posted by ratyrl View Post
                                Both Abby and Garion say that "there are ways round" shooting boy/girl hardcore without the problems of using amateurs like the girls' own partners. Is the answer to use "some porn stars to appear in our shoots, shot in the AW style?" That could be male porn stars, not females as has been discussed so far.

                                There cannot be much scope in introducing female porn stars to AW, other than for novelty value or marketing. Having male porn stars slightly excites me but it also greatly worries me about the future of the site. Would enough current and future models want to get involved? How would it affect the AW brand of real amateur girls? For me, AW is all about the truly gorgeous girls you manage to find. I have not missed the girl/boy action, I go elsewhere for that. Maybe that is the issue, your plan is to cover the g/b market as well.
                                ... That top paragraph there represents a huge leap. I doubt they were thinking of male porn stars with "our" girls at all or body doubles, etc. No way! Surely, there are other ways to fulfill Abby's excellent commitment only to pair Abby girls with their own guys, (and also, girls). First, I can't believe that most guys can't hang in there long enough to bring off a nice vid. Maybe they're not as long as the GG shoots but that's ok. (There's a shortage of Gigabytes, you know!)

                                I'm totally not worried. As long as there's plenty of the GG fun that made this place, I don't much care what else might come alongside.

                                Rob

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                                  Thanks for the comments so far. I would like to reprint what Garion had to say.

                                  Garion: The problem is, for most non-professional boys it's all over in the first two minutes of the video (or 20 frames of stills). One shoot, we had to go back five days in a row for the video, and the poor guy still could not get a grip. It's understandable—our models are all damn sexy!—but it makes it hard to shoot.
                                  There are ways around it, but we need to decide if it's something we really want to do. We also need to consider if it'd freak out our existing models—some models choose to do the gentle nude only posing (knees together!) and we don't want to freak them out at the recruitment stage by telling them we shoot hardcore stuff as well (we're really big on keeping our models fully informed, so we'd never omit the truth in the auditions).

                                  He calls the guys they have used so far "non-professional" and goes on the explain the problems they have had with "non-professional" men. Also, if they were to return doing g/b hardcore with the girls' own partners, why should this "freak out our existing models?" They have already done it before, why should it be a problem to do it again? I think that they are hinting at something much more radical than just adding a tube of cream to the scene.

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                                    Something a little disturbing happened to me yesterday. A friend of mine from L.A. e-mailed me and said he had viewed the AW press release(s) that is linked to this thread. He is going to AEE in Vegas and is very obsessed with the pornstars since living in L.A. he gets to hang around them a lot. But after viewing the AW videos on the press link and the photos, he told me he is is not impressed in the least. Using his words, he said he has not seen a "cute" one yet and said to me that, sorry, but he will be spending his time with the pornstars and won't be bothering with AW.

                                    Now I know this is just one guy's opinion and tastes, but I'm concerned that a lot of people who attend AEE are so used to pornstars and AW girls are so different that they really won't give the AW models a chance.

                                    Food for thought.
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                                      Originally posted by laktor View Post
                                      Now I know this is just one guy's opinion and tastes, but I'm concerned that a lot of people who attend AEE are so used to pornstars and AW girls are so different that they really won't give the AW models a chance.
                                      All you(AW) can do is show people an alternative, you can't MAKE them prefer it. Some people really like the standard LA adult-star look. They're expecting around 30,000 attendees. I'm fairly sure at least SOME of those attending will be eager to look at not-the-norm girls and movies. Different markets different people, if AW can get all the people who no longer like the LA-plastic look I think Abby will be very happy

                                      Or in marketing terms; everbody wants to become/think-up the next Wii

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                                        Originally posted by laktor View Post
                                        Something a little disturbing happened to me yesterday. A friend of mine from L.A. e-mailed me and said he had viewed the AW press release(s) that is linked to this thread. He is going to AEE in Vegas and is very obsessed with the pornstars since living in L.A. he gets to hand around them a lot. But after viewing the AW videos on the press link and the photos, he told me he is is not impressed in the least. Using his words, he said he has not seen a "cute" one yet and said to me that, sorry, but he will be spending his time with the pornstars and won't be bothering with AW.

                                        Now I know this is just one guy's opinion and tastes, but I'm concerned that a lot of people who attend AEE are so used to pornstars and AW girls are so different that they really won't give the AW models a chance.

                                        Food for thought.
                                        Laktor, for one, I think you could have made your point without including your friend's opinion. Secondly, I think he misses the point and the appeal of the site, and thirdly, I have little worry that Abby's girls will very much hold their own in that environment. They ARE good lookers. They, (Abby girls), are intelligent and fun and personable. Many of those porn stars will have the personality of a brick. They also happen to represent a site which is right "in the way" of a huge movement both "socially", and in the porn industry. Everyone is trying to do more girl-girl stuff and female masturbation is all over the newsgroups, etc. It was not like that just a few years ago. Pubic hair is "coming back". Nobody does what Abby does as well as Abby does and that will come through.

                                        I am curious, though, to what degree booth visitors will get a sampling of the site. Will there be a flat screen running with GG vids?

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                                          Originally posted by FloridaRob View Post
                                          Laktor, for one, I think you could have made your point without including your friend's opinion.
                                          I think the whole reason Laktor brought up his point was because of his friend's opinion. I showed the site to my father (after all, I learned my love of porn from him), he had pretty much the same reaction as Laktor's friend. Abby knows and understands that the site caters to a niche. All she can do is enlarge that niche. If she can raise the percentage of porn consumers that like our niche from 3% to 5%, she's doing just fine.

                                          I read somewhere that the point of advertising wasn't just to get you to buy their product, but also to get you to understand that the type of product they're selling is worthwhile to buy. So by going to AEE she's not only hawking AW, she's helping people become aware that such products exist.

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                                            Well well, haven't things become heated over in this corner of the boards! Have stayed away from this thread for a little too long I think, and am here now to bring us back on topic - Meet a Bunch of Models in PERSON!

                                            I want to let you know that we are all excited to meet whoever comes and visits. We welcome members, non-members, prospective members, industry folk, other porn stars, other amateurs, whoever! The girls are so looking forward to arriving there (less than six weeks to go!) and getting out there to send our message to the world.

                                            The nominations from AVN are very flattering, a testament to the hard work this entire team at AWHQ puts in each and every day when they walk through the doors. Here's hoping we can start 2008 with a few trophies!

                                            Sure, not everyone is going to love us (thanks for reminding us laktor) but we are new to them (doesn't feel so new to us after seven long years, but hey, that's ok!) and they may need a "period of adjustment"! And trust me, when they see our spunky girls on that stand, everyone is going to wanna sign up! And after they sign up, they'll get not only the pleasure of the hundreds of models on here, but also the pleasure of all our member's company on the boards right here....and then, like the rest of us, they'll become converts to the aw.com ethos. I have faith in my boss Abby, my manager Garion, my wranglers Toby and Patience, my amazingly hard-working team of models that are coming along - not to mention the awesome ones that are staying behind but still represent us on the site, and myself! We WILL show the world how cool we are. We WILL show them "the way"!

                                            So, who's with me?

                                            s

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                                              Well said, Susie! BTW when Abby is the boss and Garion the manager, than you must be the Executive Director....and you're doing one hell of a job. I am pretty sure that the Vegas mission will be a big success for AW. But it couldn't be made without your and the girls' passionate work. It's amazing how the spirit is kept incredibly high by all involved during the last month. So what was your question, Susie: who's with me? I am definitely with you, unconditionally.

                                              doinel

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                                                Originally posted by susie View Post
                                                We WILL show the world how cool we are. We WILL show them "the way"!

                                                So, who's with me?
                                                AYE!!!

                                                Heh.. good speech. I'll be with you in spirit, unfortunately not physically

                                                If you want to get a better overview of which members are coming to the AEE you might want to put the question up on mainpage, link to a form or such (Willow can make you one;-). Forum gets less responses compared to mainpage.

                                                You should win an Innovation Award for the IM series, several other companies are duplicating the format now. I can assure you those weren't there before you started with such a setup and yes I *did* look Whatever happens you'll prolly have a great time. You can stay late too 'cos it's after AEE has ended so you can sleep late (and thus party longer;-)

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                                                  Originally posted by arsby View Post
                                                  I think the whole reason Laktor brought up his point was because of his friend's opinion. I showed the site to my father (after all, I learned my love of porn from him), he had pretty much the same reaction as Laktor's friend. Abby knows and understands that the site caters to a niche. All she can do is enlarge that niche. If she can raise the percentage of porn consumers that like our niche from 3% to 5%, she's doing just fine.

                                                  I read somewhere that the point of advertising wasn't just to get you to buy their product, but also to get you to understand that the type of product they're selling is worthwhile to buy. So by going to AEE she's not only hawking AW, she's helping people become aware that such products exist.
                                                  Laktor's friend didn't see anyone on the site who is "cute"?? He hasn't looked very far! Does he want busty? We've go that, too! Don't want to get into naming names but I really don't think one has to look far to find some beauties here that would turn heads anywhere, including a porn show. I just thought it would be a bit nicer to say something like, "I've just been chatting with a dear friend who had a good peek at AW. Based on his reactions, I have begun to wonder whether our "team" might not "compare" favorably if they go minus the makeup to an event of this kind."

                                                  Anyway, it's no biggie. In fact, I don't think Abby should be too militaristic by not allowing our models to wear light make-up if that will make them look (and feel) any better under the lights of a typical trade show, much less one focused on hot and sexy actors and models. Visitors will still "get the point". By the time they subscribe to the site, they will, very soon, realize they don't miss the make-up.

                                                  But you make good points, Arsby. I don't disagree.

                                                  P.S. I admit that I haven't looked at a recently-updated list of who's going. Is Nadine going, (for example)? She's just one of our natural beauties and there's plenty more!
                                                  Last edited by FloridaRob; 28 November 2007, 10:51 PM. Reason: P.S.

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                                                    Originally posted by FloridaRob View Post
                                                    P.S. I admit that I haven't looked at a recently-updated list of who's going. Is Nadine going, (for example)?
                                                    Huh? I don't think the list of who's going to Vegas has changed much if at all?? List with pics is still here (+ staffers Susie, Patience and Toby).

                                                    Good point on the lighting, usually very harsh light (Toby would hate it;-). I'm sure the girls will manage to look mighty fine regardless though

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                                                      Thanks, Frans. I thought I remembered something about some early changes. Jilly, maybe??

                                                      OK. Just went and looked at that page. Definitely more personality than glam. I'm not crazy about some of the individual pics on that page! Eeek!! Sue-Ann?? Julietta and the boobie sisters all look "hot" and the rest are cute and have bubbly personalities to go with their cuteness!

                                                      And I'll stick with my opinion, (for what it's worth), that we could have done without a post that someone couldn't find a "cute" girl on the site! Laktor's a good guy and I'm glad he's here. I've made quite a few posts I've had second thoughts about later!

                                                      P.S. One last point. I don't think we should let poor Phoenix be tossed up, repeatedly, as our resident porn star. It has been written, here, that some others have had varying degrees of adult film and website experience, particularly the latter. One other of our "recent" sweeties had some adult film experience. Phoenix was "real". The others are "real". I agree we should try to do without "celebrity" help in promoting the site but, otherwise, I'm perfectly happy to have the opportunity to enjoy the true "personal" moments of all sweet things including the occasional one with some other porn experience.
                                                      Last edited by FloridaRob; 28 November 2007, 11:42 PM. Reason: P.S.

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                                                        Originally posted by FloridaRob View Post
                                                        Thanks, Frans. I thought I remembered something about some early changes. Jilly, maybe??
                                                        Yeah, first post in this very thread:
                                                        Originally posted by Abby View Post
                                                        (unfortunately, Jilly cannot make it, but Gabrielle can!)


                                                        p.s. I like Phoenix quite a lot, esp. in her g/g with Chloe (which just happens to be included on the latest g/g dvd, niiiiice;-)

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                                                          who's going to come see me in Vegas, it's virtual reality come true

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                                                            Hey guys,

                                                            I don't regret posting my buddy's words as he expressed them to me. I wanted everyone to know exactly what he said after viewing the press page regarding AW at AEE. He doesn't have access to see all the models, just the promo stuff concerning the girls who will be coming to Vegas. I thought he represents the "typical" mindset of a mainstream porn fan from an area (L.A.) where pornstars are constantly around town. Guys, I really hyped AW to him and expressed how different this site was to other porn sites and also how much I loved the models here in comparison to all the "name" porn girls, but still, that was his opinion. However, I believe AW will be a huge success at AEE and will attract a lot of new members AND many visitors to AEE will love what AW has to offer. There will also be many who will fall in love with the models attending just like all of us have. So go Abby Winters!!! You're going to make a huge splash in Vegas!

                                                            And Susie, you couldn't have said things better. I'm with ya all the way!!

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                                                              Laktor! Now I know what you meant by the "press page". I had thought anyone could see much more than that with a mere visit to the public site. I agree that some of the pics, particularly of my love, Sue-Ann, were not the best. I had thought your friend had seen most of whatever is available to the public. But, apparently not. I do think he was short-sighted not to see a cute model, even on that page. Personally, I think there's plenty of cuteness going to Vegas but not to argue that, for the moment.

                                                              I just hope we can be careful not to dump anonymous, unqualified, and unneeded insults on our best friends, sweetie-pies, and amazing ladies we presume to call friends here.

                                                              That's all!

                                                              Rob

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