Yup, I'm proud to be in the immoral minority. The moral majority can kiss my ass - one at a time.
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personally, i don't think that any specific religion or denomination is immovable ( IMMOVABLE?? what am i trying to say? also where is the strikethrough. if ever anyone needed it...)
the members of these groups cannot be rightfully blamed.they do a lot of good, as any organized group based on charitable moral principles does.
i think there are people everywhere who are lobbying anti-'porn' and 'pro' who the hell knows what. it's a good strong lobby. they are self-righteous. they are guilt-ridden about their secret desires and wishes. they have sticky copies of old Hustlers under the mattress, in the springs of the mattress where they think 'the wife' (a hideous term, i think) doesn't clean, but ha, she does and she sneaks her reading while he is at work, grappling with his guilt by being mean to his underlings.
they have sticks up their asses. they will break in two one day. rigidity always shatters....
porn lobbies may not have a public chance against them. who in the general public wants to come up on the side of the porn people? el shocko. but quietly, insidiously, and legally, equality shall reign. nobody sez the stick people must read/view porn. they do because they want to. they love guilt. they are idiots.
woo, rampage, and before brekkie,
dancerLast edited by wannadance; 18 October 2007, 04:26 PM.
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Originally posted by valerie View PostI'm not even a citizen (shhh! i will be one day) but I've written to the politicians too. Took less than 1 minute!
Oh, and (perhaps) unlike in the US, in Australia an email has politically identical weight as a physical letter. So there! Go do your duty, for me, for Penny, for all the other models and members and abbyfans and general porn supports and just for the love of sex!
What about non-australian members? Are the mails screened and the names checked against inhabitants lists (or other means of knowing who lives where) or could we simply select a state/territory, insert a name and email adress and do our duty? If so... I've got several adresses *g*
I want to help but I don't want to cause more bad than good...
Jack
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Originally posted by pjay View PostDon't wish to break the board rules on "politics" or "religion" but it remains a crime to sell dildos in Texas (!!)
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Originally posted by Horndog15 View PostNo way! Are you sure about that? Wiki is only reliable if the source did his/her homework before editing.
You are right about the theoretical unreliability of Wikipedia, but if the article contains a variety of independent sources and/or references then you know that said homework has been done.
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Originally posted by pjay View PostDon't wish to break the board rules on "politics" or "religion" but it remains a crime to sell dildos in Texas (!!) and numerous US Tstates have so-called "anti-sodomy" laws on the statute books (although judicial rulings have declared the laws unconstitutional).
Viewed from Europe (even fuddy duddy Britain) fundamentalist "Christians" (note the use of inverted commas) seem to have a very strident input into US politics in a way they simply don't in most of Europe. A number of things I've read re: Australian politics in recent years suggest they also have an influence far in excess of their numbers in parts of Australia.
Add Alabama and Georgia! Source: "Law.com - 11th Circuit Nixes Sex Toys, Sex Rights"
An interesting take on the law: "Sex toys still banned in Alabama, guns okay - Boing Boing"
And, from the Texas Technical University Law School "Texas Penal Code on Obscenity", and "The Austin Chronicle: Features: Is That a Perfectly Legal, Anatomically Correct Condom Education Model, or Are You Just Happy to See Me?"
Well, thank goodness they can still buy GUNS!
Warning! Be sure you unload your gun before inserting it in...." I'd better stop!
As the saying goes, WTF? Would you rather see a Teenager with a Gun or a Dildo?
Ali
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Originally posted by bad4alice View PostAs the saying goes, WTF? Would you rather see a Teenager with a Gun or a Dildo?
Btw. Penny, it was very re-assuring to read you 'love sex'
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Back to the Orginal Post!
Originally posted by Penelope View PostHi all,
I don't know where they find the time but certain groups within Australia are working hard to give our industry a rotten name. I think it's important we try and balance up the argument a bit. Check out this link for more info:
http://www.ilovesex.org.au/action.html
Unless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?
I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!
Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose theirvaluesopinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?
The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!
Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)
ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!
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Originally posted by bad4alice View PostUnless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?
I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!
Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose theirvaluesopinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?
The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!
Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)
ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!
pee x
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Originally posted by Abby View Postyah, be great if everyone could do their bit, help make life easier for us here in Oz, by using that site to send a letter to the gummint. The Family First party have quite an advanced system for harnessing their folks and lobbying their local reps, so now the industry has they own system.
Dear Mr Swiftly (real name removed)
The Premier has received your recent email concerning X-rated films.
As the matter you have raised primarily concerns the administrations of
the Attorney General, and Minister for Justice, the Hon J Hatzistergos,
MLC, and the Minister for Police, and Minister for the Illawarra, the
Hon D A Campbell, MP, the Premier has arranged to bring your approach to
the Ministers’ attention.
You may be sure that your comments will receive close consideration.
Yours sincerely
Jocelyn Mouawad
Private Secretary
I guess I will hear some more will keep you informed
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Originally posted by bad4alice View Post
Unless I'm mistaken, Adam and Eve were Nude, and if God thought that was good enough for Him, who are we (or they) to argue? Discuss it with God! I suspect their attempts only reflect their own shame - And if we were created in His image, wouldn't it be Sacrilege to cover His creation, other than for protection from the elements?
I'd submit my 'Action Form', but sadly, I'm not Australian, and we in the US have our own moralistic nuts trying to control our viewing habits, through the abuse of religion!
Anyone who sees anything except Beauty from AbbyWinters.Com clearly doesn't recognize beauty at all; And I believe that far more evil comes from fear, ignorance, self-righteousness, and the attempt to impose theirvaluesopinions on others, than from looking at Beautiful Women (or Men) without clothes - Shall we also put clothing on the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's statue of David?
The shame is in their hearts, not mine - There isn't one person at AW who I feel doesn't deserve my complete respect, Staff or Models, or even the Members, from what I've seen!
Ali (climbing off her soapbox, and tossing her two cents into the cup)
ps: Without sex, none of us (or them) would be here!
You must remember that shame is what Adam and Eve brought upon all of us by eating of the forbidden fruit (bloody good belgian beer!) and afterwards covered up our shame. So it is not such a good idea to qoute these trite fairy stories as a argument for nudity or love of natural sex (or unnatural if that is your ilk)
Really we covered up our shame when women became property to be traded and to keep the other prying, piercing, perving eyes away from our property.
I personally dont put faith! in any imaginary GOD to rule our affairs sexual or otherwise. In the end my arguments are if I am good enough to be used as cannon fodder in the most obscene of all mans acts WAR then i am good enough to be allowed my freedom of sexuallity with or without any gods or mans permission. Just leave me to it I LOVE IT!
good post though just a rave from my part
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Originally posted by Melita View PostHow are you all going with the Letters and emails regarding this particular topic?! Hope you're keeping it up, we need all your support on this one! Thanks guys
oxoxox
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Originally posted by gabrielle View Posti got the same letter, i assume it's a form response. i dont see anything about them visiting you - just they are forwarding your letter onto the appropriate people.
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First Amendment Issue
I want to again add to what the other guy said about this being a First Amendment issue in the US.
This issue has been succesfully dealt with in the US on the grounds of Freedom of Speech. I think if you approach it the same way in Australia, you will have some success.
The Anti-Porn establishment has been repeatedly defeated in the US...................Yes, there are parts of the South and the RURAL West in the US where they have an audience, but they can't make any headway in most of the populated areas, and that's what counts. And, their attempts to prevent stores from selling X-Rated magazines have had no effect on the wide open nature of the internet, where PORN is moving to anyways !
The US Supreme Court has declared unconstitutional an attempt to restrict the viewing of Pornography and it was a very decisive decision at that................the anti-porn coalitions here in the US have never really recovered from that decision. It was a decisive blow !
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As an ex-Aussie now living in Asia, it really bugs me that the Australian government has this crap attitude. Nobody is advocating child porn. I always thought it was dumb that the best that they could offer on Foxtel was some crap censored stuff that was rubbish. It's OK to do so many things in Australia that are wrong. If I want to look at Porn and I am an adult so what. I am not hurting anyone.
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I'm not from your part of the world, but I fired one off anyway. Have toyed with the thought of moving there more than once and I don't want them banning porn before I get there.
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Originally posted by jsaxon View PostI want to again add to what the other guy said about this being a First Amendment issue in the US.
This issue has been succesfully dealt with in the US on the grounds of Freedom of Speech. I think if you approach it the same way in Australia, you will have some success....
In another thread here two Brits are arguing about how come we don't see full-on nudity any more on TV. Have we here in the US ever seen full-on nudity on TV? Virtually every country in Europe and UK has a more relaxed attitude toward nudity than we do.
And even with regards to freedom to look at porn, we're teetering on the brink here... just one or two more conservative justices on our Supreme Court could tilt things the other way.
I don't think the fact that we currently are allowed... allowed!... to look at porn is anything to crow about. We've got the same sort of anti-porn crusaders that the Aussies have, and they've had their share of success!
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Agree with you however I think it's the Liberals that will cause the court problems. Excuse the possibly sexist (appearing) remark that follows. THERE ISN'T AN OVER 40 YR OLD, HOMEMAKING WOMAN THAT COULDN'T DO A BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY OR PERHAPS MOST COUNTRIES! he grovels in apology Lets put Dancer in control.
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Originally posted by Penelope View PostGood work people! This is serious business. We're being censored out of existence! Please do keep those letters coming. I want my porn legal and easily accessible god dammit.
I agree and have sent in my opinion.
I changed my submission considerably from the proposed template provided.
I included access through the internet specifically rather than the suggested "Adult shops" only. I'd suggest that any win against x-rated material by our opposition would be over the internet first. Especially considering the current/recently released campaign by the Australian Government on protecting children on the internet (you've seen the ads on tv??). Of cause I agree with protecting children on the internet but it does not have to be at the expense of responsible adults and a reduction in their freedom.
I also included the fact that Government Officials would be most at risk. Lets be honest. People in power are no different to anyone else in our community. Some are gay, some like x-rated material, some have fetishes, some are against pornograph (nudism even !!), etc, etc.. they make up a large part of the demographics in which we draw the findings of surveys and statistics. Already we see officials being forced to resign from their positions based on alligations alone, without including further x-rated material restrictions. Regardless of guilt, the community perceptions are enough to effect their standing. By adding x-rated material constraints they are more suspetible than I am of being victimised. Sadly I admit, they won't understand this because all they are interested in is votes.
Agree with you however I think it's the Liberals that will cause the court problems. Excuse the possibly sexist (appearing) remark that follows. THERE ISN'T AN OVER 40 YR OLD, HOMEMAKING WOMAN THAT COULDN'T DO A BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY OR PERHAPS MOST COUNTRIES! he grovels in apology Lets put Dancer in control.
Sorry I don't agree. The person you refer of is far to kind, honest, understanding and busy to do the job.
Having said that, I'm sure first generation politicians start off the same. It's only after a period of time they turn bad like a prawn in the sun.
Cheers,
Rickdownunder
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Hi everyone. Long time listener, first time poster.
I don't think we should start thinking the sky is going to fall in any time soon in terms of sites like AW being further restricted or outlawed. Take for example the public response to recent moves by lobby groups to get 'Californication' taken off air. An overwhelming majority of responses from the public was "if you don't like it, don't watch it." As a nation, we are very particular about our right to protect what we can and can't do in the privacy of our own homes and the right of the government to dictate what's acceptable and what's not. Attempts to introduce a national ID card have always been met with strong objection and calls for Big Brother to butt out of our private lives.
The hypocrisy of our classification system is astounding. Consider that films like 'Saw' and 'Hostel' can get mainstream release, the most violent video games are freely available, and the uncut version of 'Closer' by Nine Inch Nails can air on music video channels, but legitimate French cinema that happens to feature consensual adult sex is banned on sight.
Governments are more interested in being seen to something as opposed to actually doing something, because enforcing any sort of law that restricted sites like AW is going to take a lot of time, money and resources that they could better spend on pork barrelling at elections. That's why it's easy to ban the French film or stop Foxtel airing really racy stuff on the Adult Channel, because it involves next to no work for them and costs nothing because the regulations are already in place.
Police the world over are worried they're losing the battle against cybercrime, and in particular the sale and trade of child abuse and exploitation material. Even adding more investigators is failing to stem the growing tide that is out there in the back alleys of the net, and the technology people are using to try and stay away from being caught means our police are always playing 'catch up'. They don't want to waste their time Googling AW to keep an eye on two adult women having consensual sex when there is an even more important battle to be fought stamping out child abuse on the net, and I think our governments recognise that as well.
While I think the status quo will remain - that is, keep being seen to do something in regulating the legitimate adult industry - they will rightly continue to focus on catching the real bad guys who are just as detested by AW and friends.
Keep in mind however that how you vote in the federal election, especially in the Senate, will have a major impact on our lawmakers attitudes towards the adult industry. Some minor parties want to see a blanket ban, and the way their preferences flow to and from the Conservative parties will determine whether the religious lobby has a major influence on how our laws are made up until the year 2010. Look very closely at everyone's policies and where their prefrences are being directed, and then vote accordingly.
I'm a bit of a political junkie and would be happy to explain it further if need be!
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Originally posted by jaycee View PostHere in the US we have a separation of church and state law
No such law.
Originally posted by jaycee View Postpolitical system pays little attention to the bible thumpers
Failure to resist is to acquiesce.
Freedom From Religion Foundation is strong, doing great resistance work in the above-mentioned separation arena.
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