Boy Girl shoots

[hippoid]

Fallcat, I don't think you are in a minority at all - many of us have been encouraging team AW to do BG shoots over the years! it sometimes seems to be the opponents, though, who have the loudest voices.

[Frans]

and if you check out the backstage 'what happened at AWHQ' pics you'll notice that several b/g shoots have been shot.

[Fallcat]

Frans - And where is that found on the site? (he excitedly asks!)
NEVER MIND!! I found them and am panting until they are posted!! Thank you X 10000!!

[Stonefly]

Not a small minority at all. I would say that hundreds of us.... have been waiting eagerly and very patiently for the next B/G shoots. Can't wait. Thanks to all at AW for considering the sex drive of the largest number of humans on earth.

[wrichjr]

Frans - And where is that found on the site? (he excitedly asks!)
NEVER MIND!! I found them and am panting until they are posted!! Thank you X 10000!!

WHERE did you find them? I cannot seem to locate the awhq backstage pics

[Frans]

WHERE did you find them? I cannot seem to locate the awhq backstage pics

Top menu, 'Updates' section. Or clicking on the text link (not the pic) of any item shown in the behind-the-scenes widget on mainpage.

[wrichjr]

Thank you very much.

[Zepfan]

Hi, everyone.

Late to the debate, but still wanting to chime in.

I used to be into the b/g stuff a bit more, when I first signed up for the site. Well, time passes on and my tastes have changed a bit.

Honestly, I haven't looked at the recent B/G stuff...just not interested. I have become part of that stuffy crowd that prefers the old-school AW, I suppose...(and there is still a lot of the good stuff left here). I'm sure that AW is doing a good job of B/G, but I like all-female content, on a female run and dominated site. I have seen quite a bit of change already, as AW transitions to Amsterdam.

I have maintained my membership, but have spent little time over here during the past months, in favor of ATK N&H.

[jktdec710]

b/g would be quite interesting done on AW Typical western porn sites just have scenes with the same old positions and when you've seen one you've seen them all. I expect b/g scenes on AW will be much more original and worth watching. I have nothing against it.

[andresone]

BTW, speaking of B/G shoots, is there a good guestimate when Kylie_H and Marcus_F's shoot will debut - anytime in the near future, I hope - Seems like it was shot so long ago :P

[laktor]

Personally, I'm not a fan of boy/girl shoots here, mainly because the girls are with their boyfriends. The reason I don't care for them is because they make me feel bad. Here are these young couples having sex and I'm an older man who has never had sex with a girlfriend or wife. In other words, I've never been with anyone who was with me because they actually liked me and not because I was paying them for sex. When I watch boy/girl shoots here, it just reminds me of what I've never experienced. Regular m/f porn sex doesn't bother me as much because they are all just actors and have no emotional attachment, which is similar to paying for sex, which is all I've ever had.

[kylie_h]

BTW, speaking of B/G shoots, is there a good guestimate when Kylie_H and Marcus_F's shoot will debut - anytime in the near future, I hope - Seems like it was shot so long ago :P

Our shoot was shot quite a while ago, but we also shot the first girl-boy double intimate moment (Mystery shoot) so as there's already a shoot of us together, I'm pretty sure our girl-boy shoot won't come out for quite a while. I'm assuming at least not until girl-boy has it's own site section.

[laktor]

Our shoot was shot quite a while ago, but we also shot the first girl-boy double intimate moment (Mystery shoot) so as there's already a shoot of us together, I'm pretty sure our girl-boy shoot won't come out for quite a while. I'm assuming at least not until girl-boy has it's own site section.

Speaking of b/g DIM's, any chance of any more? I know the postive/negative reaction was mixed, but I love the idea because it's always been a fantasy of mine to masturbate next to a woman who was also masturbating. Have any of these couples, such as Maya and her bf been asked if they'd be interested in doing a DIM together?

[alexspy]

So far I established myself not being a fan of b/g shoots. Main reason is that I don't like to watch blowjobs. However there are some circumstances that I do like b/g.
I do like threesome scenes with 2 girls and a boy. So far I haven't found many great scenes of this. Too many times one of the girls is waiting for her turn instead of giving or getting attention from the other girl. So I have yet to find a gem in this category. Threesome with 2 boys and girl is a big no for me.
I happen to like a b/g pairing when the girl has large breasts and does some titfuck. I have no idea why I like that since I want to skip blowjobs. Other common b/g pairings I don't really care for.
I know quite some people seem to be repulsed by a transsexual (shemale) going down on a girl. I have long stayed away from shemale porn as I thought it would repulse me too. Than I have seen some (a friend of mine is a real fan of this kind of porn) and I like the concept even if I have so far not found a vid in that style I actually liked.

[nmihaic]

Maybe I haven't dug around the website enough, but I don't quite understand the reluctance to doing more boy girl shoots. Is this because it's such a staple of mainstream porn? Of course, lesbian sex and female masturbation are featured prominently as well, but AW has found a unique way of executing it. The boy girl shoots that have been done have been tastefully done. Why not more?

I love AW for GG and IM shoots for the rest are x millions of sites

[mrpinkeyes]

I love AW for GG and IM shoots for the rest are x millions of sites

Really.... I always found the solo video's to be the most different from "mainstream" porn on AW. I also love the GG and IM... and agree they are different to mainstream porn... But not many mainstream porn sites do you see the model talking about everyday stuff as well as "sexier topics".

Welcome to the boards btw nmihaic... Glad to see that you have found things that you like.

[laktor]

Would AW still do a b/g shoot if the couple insisted on using condoms?

[masie]

Of course we would, the only rules for b/g shoots are that they must be real partners who love each other

[laktor]

Of course we would, the only rules for b/g shoots are that they must be real partners who love each other

Good to hear. By the way, masie, nice to know you're around. You've been absent around here lately, especially in your thread. Hope you're ok.

[masie]

Im fine just been busy learning the ropes as a shooter and sobbing over morris dancers x

[mrpinkeyes]

Of course we would, the only rules for b/g shoots are that they must be real partners who love each other

So what happens if they are a real couple that just like each other?? Or a married couple that no long love each other but just staying together for the sex or the children????

Did I miss something about the Morris dancers??? Did the finally do the world a favor and cull them all... them and their Irish dancers with no arms... talking of dancers how is ............

[Frans]

Did I miss something about the Morris dancers??? Did the finally do the world a favor and cull them all... them and their Irish dancers with no arms... talking of dancers how is ............

Yeah you did miss something, prolly more suited for Masie's thread.. if it still exists ??

[laktor]

the only rules for b/g shoots are that they must be real partners who love each other

Ok, so I'm curious as to why b/g shoots have to involve real life partners who love each other, but for g/g shoots, this rule doesn't apply and they can shoot with any girl they find attractive and fulfill their fantasy? In actuality, I don't really care and I enjoy the site as it is, but I'm just curious as to why the double standard?

[kylie_h]

Ok, so I'm curious as to why b/g shoots have to involve real life partners who love each other, but for g/g shoots, this rule doesn't apply and they can shoot with any girl they find attractive and fulfill their fantasy? In actuality, I don't really care and I enjoy the site as it is, but I'm just curious as to why the double standard?

This is a tricky one, and it has a lot to do with social perceptions of female sexuality as well as the relationships between men and women. It also has to do with the fact that at abbywinters, we do things differently!

As we have no way of "testing" if two people are a couple, if the model really wanted to, she could find a handsome guy at a nightclub and bring him in for a shoot (once he'd had an info session and learnt all the facts - of course!), but to my knowledge this has never happened. It seems to be the general opinion that there is something innately sordid about being "paired up" with a strange man and having sex with him, conversely, even girls who identify as heterosexual can be more than happy to experiment and play with a girl they've only just met as it's (I guess) socially acceptable to experiment in that way. This is not to say that all of our models feel this way, I imagine some of them would be more than happy to shoot with a cute boy for a day!

Besides all that, there's plenty of sites that feature one or two guys having sex with loads of different girls. We wanted to do girl-boy differently, by having real couples showing you their private moments together. It's more fun this way, I think!

Just to chuck my personal reasons in there (cause I know you guys all really want to know ) I wouldn't be comfortable doing a girl-boy shoot with a guy who wasn't already a sexual partner of mine. As you guys are probably aware, I prefer women (if you weren't aware, you are now!), I date men more frequently because even though I never intend to start relationships, I tend to have more male sexual partners (men are easier to pick up) and when I have a lot of sex with someone I tend to develop feelings for them quite quickly - possibly this is due to the fact that if I don't find someone to be interesting, intellectual, attentive sexually and nice to just be around, then I'd only sleep with them once or not at all.

Anyway! That went off track a bit, but back to my point. I find most women sexually appealing, so for me I'd be pretty happy shooting with most girls on abbywinters, but I only find very specific men sexually appealing and a guy who is (by all others accounts) "so hot!" probably isn't gonna do it for me.

[laktor]

Thank you Kylie for your informative reply. Personally, I don't think it's generally more acceptable for two girls who don't know each other, but just find each other "hot" to get together for a sexual shoot than a guy and gal who are strangers to do the same. BUT, the b/g shoots for AW is a relatively new direction the site has taken (not being part of the original concept) and I think it's great that AW wants to be different in b/g than other sites by shooting real life couples.

And no, I had no idea you were more into girls than guys! Hope you don't mind me asking, but would Marcus be ok if you fooled around with a girl sexually, other than doing an AW shoot, of course? Or is that a no-no while you guys are together?

[kylie_h]

And no, I had no idea you were more into girls than guys! Hope you don't mind me asking, but would Marcus be ok if you fooled around with a girl sexually, other than doing an AW shoot, of course? Or is that a no-no while you guys are together?

To avoid explaining, I generally just tell people we have an open relationship. This kinda sums up the important questions people are asking, without going into the kind of details people usually don't want in casual conversation.

As this is not casual conversation, I'll explain the whole thing shall I?

Neither Marcus nor I feel that our relationship is defined by the fact that we have sex, we also agree that sex is not the same thing as love, it's just something that your body wants (and often wants with different people!). This is not to say that we're swingers, we don't go out on weekends to pick up or go to swingers parties - this would require a lot more effort than either of us are willing to put in. Essentially, the way it works is that if either of us meet someone, and that someone is aware of our relationship and still happy to have commitment-free sex then we're both free to do so. Obviously, communication is the most important thing here, as well as making sure the other person doesn't feel someone else is being chosen over them. For instance, I wouldn't go home with someone while Marcus was home alone, and nor would he if I would be left home alone. But when I go to England for shoots I have met up a few times with a female friend of mine over there. When he goes to visit his friends in other countries, he's perfectly free to "meet new people" as well (although he tends to be too preoccupied with seeing friends and having fun, and sex doesn't seem to just happen as easily for men). We're both also open to the idea of having other people join in with us, but sex with other people is rarely something we actively pursue, rather we just keep an open mind about whatever might happen.
I guess it helps that I'm bisexual and while he's 99% straight, he has an open mind and isn't intimidated by other men.

[JacksonP49]

I hadn't looked at this thread for a long time, and I've missed the last two posts from Kylie, which are, if I may say so, beautifully written and beautifully thought out.

You've hit a few nails on the head.

I think you got it right when you said that for some reason that's difficult to explain, a woman having sex with a man she's never met before seems "innately sordid" (it was that phrase that really caught my eye) while a woman having sex with a woman she's never met before does not. It may have something to do with the penetration that's involved in male/female sex, but I'm not sure. However I'm fairly confident the typical man (assuming there is one), if told that his wife/partner was having sex with another man, would be jealous and upset, whereas if told that she was having sex with another woman, he would be less so. I think it may be because if she is having sex with another man, there's an implication that she is less than fully satisfied by her husband/partner.

The attitude of women is interesting and not necessarily the same, I think. Of course not being a woman I can't speak from personal knowledge. However for what it's worth I would imagine that in most cases a woman who learned that her husband/partner was having sex with another woman would be upset, perhaps very upset, although somewhere in her reactions might be some slight sense of pride that her man was apparently attractive to other women as well as herself. I also imagine if a woman found out that her husband lover was having sex with another man, in most cases she would be just as upset, or perhaps even more so, although probably for different reasons, one of which may be some sense that it carries an implication that her man is perhaps not as manly as other men.

What you say about your relationship with Marcus is very personal and very honest, much more so than might be expected in an open internet forum. Forgive me if I say that I wonder to what extent your openness with each other would survive actual practical tests. If I've read what you say correctly, it is that each of you accepts that the other may have casual sexual encounters with others. Obviously Marcus accepts that you do in fact have casual (well more or less casual) encounters with other women, because you do it and are photographed doing it; but as I think we both agree, for some difficult-to-understand reason sex between women doesn't really seem to count as infidelity to a heterosexual relationship. I also understand that, although you regard yourselves as free to do so, as a matter of fact you don't have sex with other men, and he doesn't have sex with other women (or with other men); or at least, if you do, you don't tell each other about it. Observation tends to suggest to me that open relationships are easier to sustain in theory than in practice.

Anyway, I suppose this is hardly a discussion for a thread about boy/girl shoots on an internet porn site, but it's very interesting. Thank you for your excellent posts.

[renae_d]

Hi Jackson,

Just throwing in my 2 cents. The prevailing theory is that extra-relational sex with a girl is not threatening to men because it can not possibly result in pregnancy. There is an evolved desire to avoid raising another man's baby as their own. As you can imagine, men who didn't mind raising a bunch of children and not getting to have any of their own with their partner, didn't send their genes off to the next generation. Jealous guarding men, on the other hand, did.

According to many studies, men are more jealous about sexual affairs (with other men) and women are more jealous of emotional affairs (with other women). The idea for women would be then, sleep with them, but don't treat them as anything more than a fling. Women want to come first when it comes to the commitment. The idea that a women would be proud of her man seems fairly off-base to me. I can't imagine feeling that way and would be shocked to here another woman say that. I'm plenty impressed when someone gets my admiration, and that's really all that counts.

I agree that open relationships do seem much easier in theory. Ben and I are of a similar mindset as Kylie and Marcus, but as you suggested with them, we have yet to give it a true test. I do think it has a legitimate chance of working for a couple, especially knowing the statistic that 50% of men have extramarital affairs in *monogamous* marriages. Relationships are not easy regardless, whether you want to tackle jealousy or self-restraint.

Ben and I were talking a week or so ago about the idea of having sex with a strange man also. He likes to entertain the fantasy of being asked to have sex with all the models on abbywinters (haha dream on sweetie). To me, the unappeal has to do with different sexes approach to sex. Even having sex with a strange woman, I would expect we would both still connect to one another on some sort of emotional level. With a man, I would be afraid of being related to only on a physical level, like a really nice sex doll rather than a person. Even having sex with men I know or am getting to know, it is hard to find a man who appreciates sex in all of its pleasures rather than as a means to an orgasm.

Anyway, that was probably all out of order but those are some of my thoughts

[JacksonP49]

More excellent sense, Renae.

It may be that one practical difficulty with open relationships is that although it's possible to have sex with someone on a purely physical, casual basis, in practice it's very difficult to do so without at least a certain level of emotional involvement. And in addition, for a man, the thought that "his" woman has had sex with another man, no matter how casually, must threaten the instinctive need to ensure that "his" woman passes on his genes and no-one else's.

I think what I'm saying is that sex and sexual relationships are basically governed by instincts that are part of our genetic makeup, and no amount of intellectualising can alter those instincts.

[masie]

My experience with open relationships is that they only work when both parties have the exact same sexual philosophy and think of their partner in equal amounts of affection to that which their partner gives back. I would argue that this happens very rarely.

When I met my husband we were for want of a better word 'fuck buddies' for just over a year. During that time we would hang out as friends with our other friends but would happily go our separate ways (and sometimes to separate bedrooms) at parties. This relationship worked perfectly as although we were very good friends neither of us were in love. I was still hung up over an ex and he was fresh out of a relationship and wanting to enjoy his first year living away from home. It was very much the best of both words, I didnt have to always look nice and make an effort when hanging out with him as I wasnt trying to secure him but if I wanted someone late at night the option was always there.

A few friends tried to recreate our friendship plus benefits and it was a horrible mess. One person would inevitably fall in love with the other and then jealousy and worry would set in. Maybe that one person would suddenly become clingy and frighten the other person away or they would start getting paranoid that one of them was sleeping with other people and one wasn't.

When we ended this arrangement we spoke about the possibility of one or the other of us needing to have a sexual experience with another person at some point between then and the end of our lives. It was agreed that this would never involve dating or emotions (Jackson you hit nail on head with that one) and would just be one off sex. I am very lucky as we both see sex and love as very different things that don't need to go together. I would however be devastated if he started becoming very pally with another woman whether he slept with her or not.

In truth I believe that the knowledge that we could (especially on his part) has meant that we don't need to, it just took away the scary realization that we were in fact committing to one another for a life time. On my part I would also add that getting married has changed everything. I no longer want to have sex with anyone else, I'm just happy as I am and feel very secure. Now obviously when I have the time I still may do some modeling work that involves sex with others but that to me is not the same as real sex. Sex for work is great fun and I love getting to know someone and to play with their body. I like to see how much I can get out of them and indeed me. The motivation is that i want to do a brilliant job and be able to look back and be proud of the thing I have created using the power of my body and all it can do. So yes the sex is real and the emotions are real but I'm experiencing them for a purpose.

Sex at the end of a days after work is different sex, thats sex because you need the sex and I don't need it any more I am very happy to not need it at all. These are just my experiences I have no doubt that all sorts of combinations work for all sorts of people but as everyone else was being so open I thought I'd share what does it for me.