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    #61
    I'd certainly agree with Masie that if Marcus found another person more interesting and fun to spend time with, I'd probably be really jealous and hurt. I think that has to do with me being very greedy with the attention of people I care about.

    I can see what you're both saying about the instinctual male reactions behind jealously but at the same time, not all of us have instinctual reactions to sex, if instincts were the only thing that affected our sexual desires and emotional attachments to various things, then it would be VERY strange for me to want to have sex with women. I can't reproduce with a women, so instinctively it would make no sense to want to have sex with them. This is not to say it's not the case at all, I just think it's not the case for everyone.

    If you're the kind of person who has the ability to remove emotion from sex and use it as a purely physical pleasure, then an open relationship can work. I've often run into trouble for not emotionally attaching during sex and have accidentally hurt some people who developed feelings after a few sexual encounters, personally I'd much rather be hurt than hurt someone else like that, so it can be a bit of a worry. Luckily, with Marcus we're both quite similar in that the experience of watching our partner pleasuring someone else is a turn on. I'd love nothing more than to watch Marcus having sex (or making out) with someone else.

    As to what you said about men sleeping with other men being upsetting to a woman, I find the concept as erotic (if not more) than the idea of watching him sleep with a woman. Although I'm positive he'd much prefer the latter.

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      #62
      Kylie,

      It is interesting to me that you think your attraction to women is not instinctual. Does that mean you think it is a choice or a decision you made?

      In regards to my understanding on that, women are far more likely to be truly bisexual than men. (When measuring arousal, it turns out that a lot of "bisexual" men are actually only aroused by 1 sex.) The reasons for that are still not understood as its not a topic people are scrambling to study. It likely means one of two things. 1. Perhaps for women, strengthening female relationships in this way can be beneficial. or 2. Its not especially helpful, but it also isn't detrimental. Women can only have so many children in their life time. If they want to spend the downtime sleeping with women, it can't hurt. For men, you could theoretically travel the world impregnating every woman you see. Every sexual encounter with a man would be a wasted opportunity.

      I don't mean to say that we're all just a bunch of robots, unable to make any life choices or decisions of your own. I do think, though, that our brain does a good enough job of rationalizing alot of our thoughts in a way to hides the true motivations. Our pre-programming is extremely sneaky. Anyway, personally I think its fascinating but a lot of people have a visceral dislike for it.

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        #63
        Originally posted by kylie_h View Post

        As to what you said about men sleeping with other men being upsetting to a woman, I find the concept as erotic (if not more) than the idea of watching him sleep with a woman. Although I'm positive he'd much prefer the latter.
        But you have to understand that the majority of heterosexual men would find it absolutely disgusting doing anything sexual with another man, for any reason. It would be worse than eating bugs. I, for instance, could literally be offered a million dollars (for real) and I still could not be sexual with a man. I could never even kiss a man, even if I was an actor and this was a part I was playing. It's just so disgusting to think about for most straight men.
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          #64
          When I say "instinct" I'm referring to the animal instincts to reproduce, etc. I don't know where our sexual orientation comes from, but I certainly don't think it's a product of evolution in the sense that an overwhelming desire to have a baby is. Maybe it's got to do with how we're wired, maybe it's genetics, I have no idea - but I don't think it would make sense for us as a species to instinctively desire the same sex.

          I don't think your sexual orientation is a choice. Certainly it surprised me the first time I found out that people could be disgusted by the concept of sex with an attractive person of the same gender as them, and I think even if I had the choice, I'd still choose to be bisexual.

          laktor, I understand the concept of that disgust, I know many guys who are repulsed by the idea. Though, in all honesty I have no idea what that feels like to be revolted by the idea of sex with someone who you may be able to say is an objectively attractive person and pleasant to be around. And I would personally probably eat bugs for a million dollars
          What I was saying before, is that when Jackson says that women may see their man as emasculated by having sex with a man, I would find it erotic so long as both parties were enjoying themselves.

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            #65
            So Kylie, would you like to see Marcus as a top or a bottom? Or would their be no preference?

            The thing is, our genetics are entirely a product of evolution, the two are, in a sense, synonymous. Considering that our sexual orientation is such a big part of sex and getting our genes to the next generation, it is nearly impossible that it would not be shaped by evolution. Its true that being a gay man, for instance, is maladaptive to this purpose, but so is having sickle cell anemia (etc.). An individual having a maladaptive trait does not negate that trait in general as being shaped by evolution. For anyone not familiar with the classic sickle cell example, having two copies of that allele (gene type) is ultimately fatal (especially without modern medicine), but having only one copy helps fend of malaria and it doesn't kill you, win-win. Something akin to this could be happening with gay men. One study found that mothers of gay men had more children than the average mother. This sparked the "penis loving" hypothesis, which cracked me up. Point is, the particular genes that make gayness (or some varieties of gayness actually) may have benefits in small doses or other contexts that outweigh the accidental gay son. Or it could just be another hazard to being male (by far the most dangerous to your health of the two sexes to be). Don't ask me about lesbians though. No one studies lesbians.

            It is possible that female bisexuality could be triggered by environmental cues of unstable and unreliable men. Hmmm......that would mean as divorce and single motherhood rise, so should female bisexuality. By golly, I could do a study on that. Oh I love you guys. My point there originally though was that even when something is shaped by your environment, it can still a product of evolution.

            Okay, off to write my paper on how parasites shape our personality and cultural values. Another stab to the heart of free will!
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              #66
              Renae, you are a wicked, wicked girl. Your bottom deserves smacking for that question.*

              But it does point up the fact that for many (myself included), the idea of sex between men is fine in theory for anyone who wants to do it, right up to the point where one of them sticks his .......

              up ......

              .... and then it really doesn't bear thinking about any more.

              I'm not quite sure what you're saying in the second paragraph.

              Your work sounds very interesting, by the way.


              *If you're looking for someone to administer that smacking, I can think of a volunteer.

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                #67
                Originally posted by JacksonP49 View Post
                Renae, you are a wicked, wicked girl. Your bottom deserves smacking for that question.*
                *If you're looking for someone to administer that smacking, I can think of a volunteer.
                People really don't say that to me enough.

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                  #68
                  Well this thread has changed tact since last time I read it... Thanks so much to Kylie, Masie and Renae for their input and honesty it's been really very interesting and educational.

                  Personally... Not sure if I could be in a "open relationship" even though I fully agree with the differences between sex and love and like the idea of an open relationship. But, my reason would have more to do with my own insecurities.

                  ohhh and Jackson... I expect there is a very long queue of volunteers for that roll. Maybe I should start my own queue for volunteers to kiss it better

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                    #69
                    Personally, I don't know why people use the expression "making love". I believe love is purely emotional, not physical. Sex is sex, whether you're in love with the person or not, although when you're in love, you have other feelings in addition to the physical pleasures of sex, but these other feelings are there also at other times, even all the time. But when you're having sex, even with someone you love, the physical feelings (sensations) are the same. So "making love" isn't a valid expression, in my opinion, and I know I'm gonna take some real flak for this, but I've thought about it and it's my opinion.

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                      #70
                      I think as Kylie and Renea said the evolution of us as humans shapes what we find attactive and what instinctual desires we have but I think there is a big differnce between how poeple react to a bi-sexual woman to a bi-sexual man. in school a girl that kissed a freind of hers or they gave each other a hand job it would not be a huge deal to other freinds but if a guy did it even your closest freinds would say all those rude names for being gay. so I think men are trianed to dislike other men sexually

                      as far as not wanting the one you love to have sex with other people for fear of loseing them, I find that kind of selfish. I have never been with someone for more than a couple months so ther has never been the desire for an open relationship. but I have always felt if I really love someone I want them to be as happy as they can possibly be so if they will be happier with someone else than I want that to happen, I would have trouble sleeping if I knew she could be happier if I was less selfish

                      and to mix a little on topic in I like the B/G shoots mostly because they have some of the best AW models that have done them, more of anything from some of the girls is a good thing. that being said I find some of the spots a bit akward to watch and I'm not sure why, so I don't think I would pay for it as an extra section unless it was cheap, but I do like that a few are thrown in to the mix
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by laktor View Post
                        Personally, I don't know why people use the expression "making love". I believe love is purely emotional, not physical. Sex is sex, whether you're in love with the person or not, although when you're in love, you have other feelings in addition to the physical pleasures of sex, but these other feelings are there also at other times, even all the time. But when you're having sex, even with someone you love, the physical feelings (sensations) are the same. So "making love" isn't a valid expression, in my opinion, and I know I'm gonna take some real flak for this, but I've thought about it and it's my opinion.
                        Well, I won't bombard you with flak, but I will say that I think that you are 100% wrong.

                        We've been discussing open relationships, and I think that where we got to was that Kylie and Renae are both in relationships that they regard as open, but that both of them have not yet actually put the openness to the test, and both of them are not entirely sure what the reaction would be if they did, in other words, neither they nor their partners have slept with someone of the opposite sex (or if some one of them has, then he or she has not told his or her partner about it); and both of them rather suspect that if it did happen, then it might place a little too much strain on the relationship for comfort.

                        Hmmm, rather a long sentence, sorry but I cbf rewriting it on this phone. Hope it makes sense.

                        Anyway, to continue, I think we had all also agreed that while theoretically it might be possible to conceive of sex without emotion, human experience tends to suggest that sex and emotion are inextricably linked. That is certainly my opinion, and I think that the overwhelming proportion of the world's population would agree. It's certainly consistent with human customs that are common to almost all societies.

                        You can also test it by asking yourself this. Assume you're in love with a woman and you're partners, married or not. Then assume she comes home one day with a big smile on her face and says, "Hi, honey, I've just had great sex all afternoon with a guy I met in a pub and we're getting together next Tuesday and we're going to screw ourselves silly again. Purely physical of course, no emotion involved at all, darling." How happy do you think you would be about that?

                        And if you think you'd be less than ecstatic, ask yourself why. Isn't it because you'd find it difficult to accept that the sex was really "purely physical", no emotion involved? And isn't that because as a matter of fact sex and emotion cannot be separated; there's not really a separation between the two? Isn't part of having good sex the sharing of an emotional as well as a physical attraction? When you're having sex, or good sex, don't you kiss, caress, smile and make all those little signs of tenderness and care? Doesn't that suggest that it's emotional as well as physical? If it were purely physical, wouldn't you just stick you lingam in her yoni and pump away until you came?

                        I wish you well with your opinion, but I'm afraid I can't share it.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by timbo83 View Post

                          as far as not wanting the one you love to have sex with other people for fear of loseing them, I find that kind of selfish. I have never been with someone for more than a couple months so ther has never been the desire for an open relationship. but I have always felt if I really love someone I want them to be as happy as they can possibly be so if they will be happier with someone else than I want that to happen, I would have trouble sleeping if I knew she could be happier if I was less selfish
                          I think that's an admirable sentiment. I also think that a relationship where you tried to put it into practice would last about 5 minutes.

                          Originally posted by timbo83 View Post
                          and to mix a little on topic in I like the B/G shoots mostly because they have some of the best AW models that have done them, more of anything from some of the girls is a good thing. that being said I find some of the spots a bit akward to watch and I'm not sure why, so I don't think I would pay for it as an extra section unless it was cheap, but I do like that a few are thrown in to the mix
                          I don't really like them at all, but then I don't much like any g/b porn.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by JacksonP49 View Post
                            We've been discussing open relationships, and I think that where we got to was that Kylie and Renae are both in relationships that they regard as open, but that both of them have not yet actually put the openness to the test, and both of them are not entirely sure what the reaction would be if they did, in other words, neither they nor their partners have slept with someone of the opposite sex (or if some one of them has, then he or she has not told his or her partner about it); and both of them rather suspect that if it did happen, then it might place a little too much strain on the relationship for comfort.
                            I gather you are making the distinction between G?G and B/G sex... As it appears Kylie has put the openness to the test compared with a monogamous relationship.

                            Originally posted by kylie_h View Post
                            For instance, I wouldn't go home with someone while Marcus was home alone, and nor would he if I would be left home alone. But when I go to England for shoots I have met up a few times with a female friend of mine over there.
                            Which i suppose goes back to the question previously discussed about G/G sex and B/G sex and how they are viewed by the genders. Or different shades of grey I suppose.

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                              #74
                              One ultimate experience in my life which i will never forgive myself for not witnessing, is a past girlfriend in a sexual encounter with another woman...a fantasy shared by many guys,( probably not including their own girlfriend though ?) The more emotions, the better, providing it's me she still chooses to go home with at the end of the day. I believe she would love me even more for my open-mindedness and allowing her to explore that side of her.
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                                #75
                                There are the occasional exceptions to what I posted earlier in regard to straight men being disgusted at the thought of touching another man sexually. I remember watching a tv program a few years ago and there was a segment on one of the top stars in gay porn. It was pointed out that he was actually completely heterosexual and was married, but gay porn paid well and it was just his job and he did it. So, there are exceptions to the rule. And, at the moment, I'm reading a new book by Scotty Bowers entitled "Full Service, My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars". Scotty is bisexual but he set up a lot of his male friends, some straight, to service men and they did it simply to make a few extra bucks. So, maybe it's not disgusting to more straight men that I thought.

                                And Jackson, I just think when a person says to their partner/boyfriend, girlfriend/husband, wife "Let me show you how much I love you" and then progresses to having sex (or "making love"), they aren't doing it to show their love, but to enjoy the physical pleasures of sex, period. Showing someone you love them is done in many other ways, sometime in little things you do, and yes, in a physical way when you hug them, kiss them, hold them. But when it comes to sex, it's done because it feels good, not because you're showing how much you love them. This isn't a fact, but it's my opinion and I've thought about it, thought about it, and thought about it. I've just come to this conclusion, in my mind. Of course, maybe my opinion on this has no merit because I have no experience with love or sex, as neither has been a part of my life. So I guess what I say on this subject really doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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                                  #76
                                  Originally posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
                                  I gather you are making the distinction between G?G and B/G sex... As it appears Kylie has put the openness to the test compared with a monogamous relationship.



                                  Which i suppose goes back to the question previously discussed about G/G sex and B/G sex and how they are viewed by the genders. Or different shades of grey I suppose.
                                  Yes, when I was talking about an open relationship, I was thinking of openness to heterosexual sex outside the relationship.

                                  We did also discuss homosexual sex outside the relationship, and I and I think both Kylie and Renae believe that sex between women for some reason doesn't really count in the same way. When it comes to the male partner having sex with another man, I think it would put great strain on the relationship, though of a different kind, and I think Renae agrees. Kylie says she quite likes the idea, but I'll be interested to see her reply to Renae's very naughty question.

                                  Masie's interesting about her porn sex. She seems to treat it as something quite different from sex with her husband. I don't know quite how that works, and it would be interesting to know how her husband sees it.

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                                    #77
                                    Originally posted by tjsunray View Post
                                    One ultimate experience which i will never forgive myself for not witnessing, is a past girlfriend in a sexual encounter with another woman...a fantasy shared by many guys,( probably not including their own girlfriend though ?) The more emotions, the better, providing it's me she still chooses to go home with at the end of the day. I believe she would love me even more for my open-mindedness and allowing her to explore that side of her.
                                    I wonder.

                                    In your last sentence you suggest that she might be grateful to you. What you're in fact suggesting, though, is that she and her friend would be putting on a sex show with you looking on and doing I don't know what, which sounds like something that's very much for your benefit rather than hers.

                                    Personally I think that any sort of group sex in which a couple engage with one or more outsiders of either sex is likely in practice to put very great strain on the couple's relationship. That's because, as I've said already, I think sex and emotion are inextricably linked, and for a person to see his or her partner doing loving things with someone else is likely to be very confronting.

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                                      #78
                                      Originally posted by laktor View Post
                                      There are the occasional exceptions to what I posted earlier in regard to straight men being disgusted at the thought of touching another man sexually. I remember watching a tv program a few years ago and there was a segment on one of the top stars in gay porn. It was pointed out that he was actually completely heterosexual and was married, but gay porn paid well and it was just his job and he did it. So, there are exceptions to the rule. And, at the moment, I'm reading a new book by Scotty Bowers entitled "Full Service, My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars". Scotty is bisexual but he set up a lot of his male friends, some straight, to service men and they did it simply to make a few extra bucks. So, maybe it's not disgusting to more straight men that I thought.

                                      And Jackson, I just think when a person says to their partner/boyfriend, girlfriend/husband, wife "Let me show you how much I love you" and then progresses to having sex (or "making love"), they aren't doing it to show their love, but to enjoy the physical pleasures of sex, period. Showing someone you love them is done in many other ways, sometime in little things you do, and yes, in a physical way when you hug them, kiss them, hold them. But when it comes to sex, it's done because it feels good, not because you're showing how much you love them. This isn't a fact, but it's my opinion and I've thought about it, thought about it, and thought about it. I've just come to this conclusion, in my mind. Of course, maybe my opinion on this has no merit because I have no experience with love or sex, as neither has been a part of my life. So I guess what I say on this subject really doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
                                      Paid sex, prostitution, brings in a whole lot of different considerations. One in particular is that the prostitute has sex with customers with whom he or she has no relationship other than contractual and for whom he or she has no feelings or emotions. For a male prostitute available for sex with other men, it then just becomes a question of whether he can bring himself to perform the necessary actions, and I guess some men can do it and some can't. Me, I have no intention of finding out.

                                      It made me very sad to read that you have had no experience of love or sex. I have no idea of your situation, but I hope that at some time you do come to experience both sex and love. They are wonderful. And I do believe very much that they are linked. That doesn't mean that you have to be deeply in love to have good sex, but it does mean that without at least some respect and affection for your partner, the sex is not likely to be very pleasant.

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                                        #79
                                        Originally posted by JacksonP49 View Post
                                        I wonder.

                                        In your last sentence you suggest that she might be grateful to you. What you're in fact suggesting, though, is that she and her friend would be putting on a sex show with you looking on and doing I don't know what, which sounds like something that's very much for your benefit rather than hers.
                                        I can see where your coming from Jackson, but i also say " allowing her to explore that side of her."...it suggests that it's what she also wants to do. I wouldn't be able to force it on her against her will ,knowing that she isn't completely comfortable...that would definitely take all the enjoyment of watching out of the equation.

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                                          #80
                                          Originally posted by JacksonP49 View Post
                                          It made me very sad to read that you have had no experience of love or sex. I have no idea of your situation, but I hope that at some time you do come to experience both sex and love. They are wonderful. And I do believe very much that they are linked. That doesn't mean that you have to be deeply in love to have good sex, but it does mean that without at least some respect and affection for your partner, the sex is not likely to be very pleasant.
                                          Well, actually what I should have said is that I have no experience with love and very little experience with sex. My sexual experience has been limited to just a very few paid sex sessions.

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                                            #81
                                            Originally posted by JacksonP49 View Post
                                            I think that's an admirable sentiment. I also think that a relationship where you tried to put it into practice would last about 5 minutes.
                                            It's never been less than 15 minutes!!! so

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                                              #82
                                              Sorry to ressurect this thread from (seeming) death, but I just found it and thought the discussion was very interesting. I think the most interesting question raised for me was why homosexual sex seems less threatening to a heterosexual relationship than heterosexual sex. I can think of a few possibilities, but none of them seems to be entirely satisfactory, to me, at least. Firstly, as Renae suggests, this might have to do with a lack of fear of pregnancy from homosexual sex, which makes it less threatening to a relationship. But at the same time, I think that even if there was no risk of pregnancy (eg with someone who had had a tubal ligation or vasectomy), heterosexual sex with someone else would still be threatening to most heterosexual relationships. Maybe there just isn't the same threat of being 'replaced' by someone of the opposite sex. That is, if my SO had sex with another girl, I would think that would be different from having sex with me, and therefore feel less threatened, although I think I would still be worried that she would develop feelings for the other person. Lastly, maybe there is a tendency to view homosexual sex as more 'experimental' than heterosexual sex, and therefore to see it as less threatening to a relationship (ie he can have sex with other men, because I know that he prefers sex with women and so will eventually come back to me). I'm really not sure about this, and would love to hear others' opinions on the matter. Maybe I'm just wrong in thinking that heterosexual sex is more threatening to a heterosexual relationship?

                                              As far as timbo's statement regarding happiness and security goes, I agree that its an admirable sentiment, and I think it can last for some time, but, for me, my emotions always eventually take hold and make me selfish and fearful that the other person will leave me. Perhaps I'm just not altruistic enough to place another person's happiness above my own to that extent.

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                                                #83
                                                hehe thanks for resserecting this one I thought I killed it, I thought it was kinda funny how nobody seemed to want to follow that one up

                                                I think the experimenal part is defineately a factor for some people, unless their partner has been in a same sex relationship before than they will asume there is no (or little) chance of losing their parntner for more than a night here and there

                                                I think for heterosexual couples to have an open relationship it takes a large amount of trust, for your partner to say it's alright to have sex with someone else because you want to and it will make you happy, it's just a whole different level of trust and most can't even imagine it. I'm not sure what I would say but respect to the people that agree to it, as the saying goes "you only get what you give" and if you can't trust them than they will have trouble trusting you
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                                                  #84
                                                  I totally detest males on the site,but I accept its what some people want,I get it,but do they have to be on the preview pictures and the special messages ? the people who want girl/boy want it for the kink,
                                                  unlike the girls on the site,no one wants to get to know them,they are faceless
                                                  ,in fact on the latest preview picture,the male is nameless,faceless and gets put down like a tool (nice one maisie) this is not the escapism I want.

                                                  having males on the videos is one thing,but having to see them everytime you come into the site is not for me AND IT IS NOT ABBY WINTERS.
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                                                    #85
                                                    I don't think no one wants to get to know the guys, I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes to see Marcus and Ben posting on the fourms
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                                                      #86
                                                      Chief I assume you are referring to yesterdays picture of the day. I cant change the fact that that is accuretly what we did yesterday, we shot a g/b shoot. I selected that picture as I thought Carian looked lovely and the fact that her partners face and man hood were not visible in the snap would prevent it from alienating members like yourself who don't want to see men in detail on abbywinters. As someone who personally loves racking during sex (the act of using ones nails to pleasure yourself and partner as a huge intense release during a heightened moment of sex, usually ending in the red marks you can see in that picture) I was very excited to be able to share this picture, as the red marks are to me very sexy.

                                                      Your comment about me putting the man down upset me. I may have a laugh and a joke with models and do enjoy very much having fun captions in the picture of the day, but it is never my intension to ever put anyone down (even Izzy). All our models wether they sexually appeal to you or not make the same move to share their naked body in a public forum and this should never ever be made fun of as i know personally both how frighting this can be and deverstating when some nameless internet troll decides to find fault with you. If you look at the full text that went with that image after my fun comment about treating em mean to keep em keen I go on to talk about what a lovely couple they are and how fun my day spent with two lovely people was.

                                                      We are aware that not all our members are happy with the b/g stuff so we do not put pictures of them all over the place and have taken on board comments made when we first started having this new shoot type on the site, as the site is for everyone and your enjoyment is just as important as the next persons. I hope you can see by my above poorly punctuated answer why I decided to share this particular picture. I hope this clears up a few things.

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                                                        #87
                                                        Hey Masie...

                                                        I somewhat agree with Chief if he is talking about the preview pics like these and this But find nothing wrong with the "behind the scene" picture you posted nor your comments as I took it in the spirit it was intended.

                                                        I am a little concerned about the regularity of the G/B that are now appearing on AW and can't wait for it to get its own "paid site" and therefore our monthly dose of solo/IM's & GG shoots can be restored to the previous normal.

                                                        Now... question time for Masie... Do you find it much different shooting a G/B shoot than a G/G shoot?? Other than the obvious what difference have you found and which do you prefer (if any).

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                                                          #88
                                                          Originally posted by chiefbrody10 View Post
                                                          I totally detest males on the site
                                                          unlike the girls on the site,no one wants to get to know them,they are faceless
                                                          Chiefs comments about the men in general have offended me highly. I'm sorry, but if you don't like something, just keep your mouth shut from now on instead of insulting people. Or say it differently! By saying such things you insult my partner, whom I love very much, and thereby you insult me on a very deep level.

                                                          And you haven't read the forum rules.... keep it positive nice and constructive!

                                                          This is completely unacceptable. I can't believe no one of the team has kicked you out yet.

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                                                            #89
                                                            Fenna I'm so sorry you have been upset I do not think that was the intention of the post. It was lovely meeting your wonderful partner and I look forward to seeing the fruits of your shoot. The criticism was not meant for you, I think the intention of the post was simply reminding staff (in a very passionate way) that some members do not like the stronger content we do and thus we should try and keep areas that all members access, like picture of the day, clear of these things.

                                                            Its a bit of a double edge sword my dear Pinky. For g/b to get its own section we need enough content ready to go so that members paying for just that section get regular updates. We have been shooting flat out recently to ensure g/b stuff is being collected ready for this to go go go while making sure all the other wonderful things we do still has all the updates it is supposed to.

                                                            A good g/b shoot and a good g/g shoot are the same to shoot. Real passion and fun is all that is required. The g/b shoots obviously have the advantage of their being a real long term relationship for us to start from but as lots of girls meet through other shoots before hand this connection isn't exclusive to the real couples. My favorite kind of shoot day is one where the models have as much (if not more) fun as I do. Maybe a lame answer but its the truth. Saying that I love doing before and after videos on a GB as the boyfriends sometimes reveal secrets the ladies have been keeping from us! xx
                                                            Last edited by masie; 20 July 2012, 03:04 PM.

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                                                              Originally posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
                                                              I am a little concerned about the regularity of the G/B that are now appearing on AW and can't wait for it to get its own "paid site" and therefore our monthly dose of solo/IM's & GG shoots can be restored to the previous normal.
                                                              Hey Pinky, GB shoots appear roughly once a month, and do not take the place of any other scheduled shoot. I'm not positive about this, but as far as I know, we haven't increased the number of GB shoots we release.

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