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    It does appear to me that the whole FAQ/info pages... needs to be thrown away and started again. There is so much in there that is obviously no longer relevant and seems to cause problems. I thing Jackson quoted the update schedule the other day which was nothing like the current one or as Frankie said "Schedule is going to stay as it has been for the last 7 months." Just saying... as it seems to not only cause at least this complaint but also adds to the ammo of those that say they are no longer getting what they signed up for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    It does appear to me that the whole FAQ/info pages... needs to be thrown away and started again.
    G'day there Mr. Pinkeyes, nice to finally meet. A big Hello to everyone else, too. My name is Brent, and I'm the new Customer Support Officer here at AWHQ.

    Anyhow, yes Pinky, you're right; the FAQ pages need a fair bit of work- now I'm here to do just that (among other things). I'll get on overhauling them shortly (probably next week).

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    I have not had good experiences with women in my past due to my upbringing so I dont like to see guys and girls f**king. Thats just me.
    Thats why I prefer girl solo masturbation or girl on girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent View Post
    G'day there Mr. Pinkeyes, nice to finally meet. A big Hello to everyone else, too. My name is Brent, and I'm the new Customer Support Officer here at AWHQ.

    Anyhow, yes Pinky, you're right; the FAQ pages need a fair bit of work- now I'm here to do just that (among other things). I'll get on overhauling them shortly (probably next week).
    Welcome to the boards and to AW... Brent... Good luck with the new role I'm sure it will be varied and challenging but/and also rewarding.

    Now.. quick questions... hope you don't mind.. of course you don't... Customer is always right... Right??? haha
    So have you worked for a "porn" sight before or a you from a "normal" haha Customer support background? Are you taking over from or working with Lep??? and are you based at AWHQ? I'm sure I read somewhere that Lep was based off site.. In the US maybe... Not that it actually makes a big difference except sitting at your desk watching beautiful models and staffers walk past all day must be much nicer if not slightly distracting

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    I was considering asking my boyfriend to do a b/g set with me for AW but it looks like they aren't too popular?
    He would only consider it if his face wasn't shown anyway so I guess it limits the shots and angles...
    He is also an older guy (not toned or buffed) so I guss it would have a more 'normal bloke' feel to it.

    unless maybe people would be interested in a 'point of view' boy/girl shoot where you are seeing out of his eyes and never see his face????
    just an idea.. what do you think?

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    Pippa, some people are a bit more vocal on not liking girl/boy shoots but lotsa other people do like them. If not AW wouldn't do such shoots long term I'm not sure AW can do girl/boy shoots without showing your friends face. Would be a weird before/after shoot video But seriously, ask Kylie.. she's the expert both shoots scheduling and doing such a shoot, 'cos she did one .

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    I like the 'No penises' filter. Thanks for putting that there.

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    People are always more vocal about what they don't like, I believe "figures" show that girl-boy is actually quite popular (don't ask me to prove that, it's just hearsay).

    Although, as Matt says, it's really good that we've finally got the option to hide it from members who don't want to see it (just as members who don't subscribe to all 3 sections can choose to hide the stuff they're not interested in) as I can imagine seeing a penis while in your "happy place" could certainly kill the vibe.

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    It's a bit strange that all of a sudden, a lot of the boyfriends of the models have agreed to do a B/G shoot here. I would think that only a small percentage of the guys would be brave enough or even want to be on a porn site. And, in addition to that, with the presence of cameras and crew, I figure that some might get stage fright and not be able to perform (get it up). Very surprised that hasn't happened.

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    Dear People
    If everybody just watch the things they like to see,there would not be any discussion.
    I am a member of all sites, I prefer girl/girl and im. so I enjoy them so much.
    I absolutely do not like boy/girl,so I just do not watch ,for those who do I wish you a lot of pleasure.
    I t is just as simple as that.
    I wish you all a pleasant day and good health and enjoy the things you like

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    Quote Originally Posted by laktor View Post
    It's a bit strange that all of a sudden, a lot of the boyfriends of the models have agreed to do a B/G shoot here. I would think that only a small percentage of the guys would be brave enough or even want to be on a porn site. And, in addition to that, with the presence of cameras and crew, I figure that some might get stage fright and not be able to perform (get it up). Very surprised that hasn't happened.
    I can assure you that stage fright certainly happened in Marcus and my girl-boy shoot. If you did watch our shoot, you'll notice that there's a LOT of oral sex which (I believe) is more of a strong physical sensation than normal penetration and it pretty much guarantees that there'll be a response. We were also invited to take breaks throughout the shoot day and even stopped for a shower to take the pressure off. All the guys are only human, so under that much pressure it would take an ungodly amount of self-confidence to not let the lights, camera and the two ladies shooting play on your mind.

    I'd say the % of models who have partners of some kind (casual, boyfriend, husband, on-again-off-again) is quite high, around maybe 90% (this is just what I've gathered from conversations, not hard data) but the % who actually want to go ahead and do a girl-boy shoot is much lower, and the ones who go through with it after the info session is even lower again.

    I'd say the boys all model for different reasons, just like the girls do. But modelling for abbywinters has an effect on people, and many of our models have probably spent hours on end raving to their partners about how fun it was, how sexy they felt and how awesome the Model Liaison is. (Ok, ok, maybe not so much that last one... ) - after all that, I can see why they'd wanna give it a go.

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    Hi spartaa,

    The biggest problem for me was the fact that the models are shot with their real-life partners - it's like finding out the pretty girl you've been eyeing up all evening has a big strapping boyfriend and they're about to get it off in front of you.

    That's why I find them hard to ignore.

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    Hi MattA1

    I see what you mean, I just do not buy that real-life story.
    Just think the site is slowly changing,for instance in the girl-girl shoots toys are coming up, and the boy-girl shoots are suddenly coming up faster/
    No problem for me,but I think it si going to be x-art or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattA1 View Post
    The biggest problem for me was the fact that the models are shot with their real-life partners - it's like finding out the pretty girl you've been eyeing up all evening has a big strapping boyfriend and they're about to get it off in front of you. That's why I find them hard to ignore.
    understandable - just wanted to make sure you're aware of the new "no penis" option in Prefs now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartaa View Post
    I see what you mean, I just do not buy that real-life story.
    Not sure what we can do to prove it, though I think the energy in the scenes makes it pretty clear these people did not meet on set five minutes before the shoot started! Tho, we do not ask models for "proof" of their relationship, either, so I guess they could be tricking us with one-night-stands? Anecdotally, that's not the case, and like all models, the men in GB shoots attend an "info session" to learn how it all works, and that happens weeks (or even months) before the shoot itself occurs. I think Kylie'd notice if there was a ring-in!

    Just think the site is slowly changing, for instance in the girl-girl shoots toys are coming up, and the boy-girl shoots are suddenly coming up faster. No problem for me,but I think it si going to be x-art or something like that.
    I think you're right, the site is changing slowly, as it always has - "evolving", I call it. We try things, and if they are successful, we keep them. If they are not, we ditch them (or change them, so they are good). We define success largely by feedback from members (not the loudest members, necessarily!), but also what's in line with our vision for the site, especially Frankie as the Creative Director, and also what's profitable, and what's frictionless.

    There is a GG shoot with toys coming up. It's our first in 231 GG shoots over 12 years, so I think it's a bit early to call it a trend. It's sure to polarise members, as many changes do. It's very unlikely to start a trend of GG shoots with toys, as I (and Frankie) see that as a cornerstone of our "paradigm". But, we all like to try new things occasionally, right?

    I think x-art's stuff looks amazing technically, but I personally dislike how dispassionate the models are, they seem to be "phoning it in" most of the time. Their site is phenomenally successful commercially, apparently. In the next few months we will try shooting some content with DSLR's as x-art (and more and more other sites) do, instead of the video cameras we use now.

    Since about December 2011, we have been releasing one GB shoot a month. We do not plan to change the rate of those updates currently, but like pretty much everything, nothing's set in stone. I think the the no-penis preference should pretty much make it irrelevant to anyone who does not like GB shoots.

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    Think the "no penis" option is an excellent idea for all those like me that don't won't to see them flashing up on my screen... However, I won't be using it... for now anyway, as my interest (aka nosiness) to know what's going on defeats my dislike for seeing a penis on the AW members homepage. But now I will not be able to complain about it.

    Yes... it's not easy being in this mind of mine...
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    Just a couple of comments from one of the loudest members.

    First of all, for the first time in my life I googled x art and clicked onto their home page. It is no doubt "technically amazing", as you say, but to me it looks like straight down the line professional porn: skinny girls with body makeup that makes them look like blow-up plastic dolls, faces that have no more expression than a plastic doll, threesomes, the lot. There's a call for that sort of stuff, but not from the typical member of this site. So I'm glad you don't think it's the way to go either.

    Second comment, you know the membership figures and I don't, but the "evolution", as you call it, seems to be taking the site more and more in the direction of the standard commercial porny stuff. Lots of professional models. Girl-boy. Pee in every second solo. We're about to get a podcast on "squirting", apparently, as if that's some sort of achievement. Toys in a GG? Well, if that's all there were, and it only happened occasionally, no problem, but it seems to be part of the trend. Guerrilla shoots? Waste of time and energy and just another porn industry fashion.

    I'm interested in what you say about "feedback", not necessarily from people like me. But I don't think I'm the only one who's noticed the trend towards and commented adversely on it, and there have been far fewer comments in favour of it. BG shoots seem to have divided opinion fairly equally, but I haven't noticed an avalanche of applause about more pee or the shoots that have a planned scenario or script, or professional models.

    Anyway, you won't have this loud member for much longer unless you can find more models like Inga and Bea and do more shoots like theirs, in which case I may resubscribe. I do sincerely wish you all the best. I was going to say that I hope you can find a way to re-create the magic of the Abby Winters of the late 2000's, but re-creating something like that is impossible. So instead I hope that you create a new magic in Amsterdam. I know you'll say that that's exactly what you're trying to do with the changes that you've introduced, to which my answer is that I think it's exactly the wrong way to go about it. But it's your site, not mine, and maybe you're right and I'm wrong. Good luck.
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    Hello, at first about the girl-boy shoots, as you say one shoot in a month and real life couples.

    I am very curious how many models you have, who s partners are willing to do it in front of the camera.

    I am a member for six years now,and have seen ( in my opion ) the site change from unique into excellent, and now going into the direction of standard ( toys and boy/girl).
    Do not get me wrong, I do not want to be only negative ,just a little worried.
    I am a loyal member and will stay so.

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    I know this is not the right thread for this question... but it's been mentioned in the last two posts....

    Why do people not want toys in Girl/Girl shoots??? I quite like it and if the result if a nice "O" for the model/models then YAY.

    I would draw the line at strap-on's but that is a personal hang-up of mine, I just don't like them... Not sure if it's the more "porn" factor or part of my Boy/Girl dislike... I can't give a logical reason for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    Welcome to the boards and to AW... Brent... Good luck with the new role I'm sure it will be varied and challenging but/and also rewarding.
    Whew, sorry It took so long to get back to you there, Pinky. Not a good sign for a Customer-service-agent-in-training; Garion has a very 'hands-on' management style and I've been pretty flat out in training (so much so I missed your reply completely).

    But yes, it has been a varied and interesting challenge.

    Now..
    Alright.
    quick questions...
    Uh...
    hope you don't mind..
    Well..
    of course you don't...
    ...
    Customer is always right...
    >_>
    *looks over to Garion*
    Right???
    Right!

    So have you worked for a "porn" sight before or a you from a "normal" haha Customer support background?
    I'm a normal. Though more from sales and debtors than customer service.
    Are you taking over from or working with Lep???
    Working with. CS is only part of what I'm doing- I'm also here to help with affiliate marketing.
    and are you based at AWHQ?
    I am.
    I'm sure I read somewhere that Lep was based off site.. In the US maybe... Not that it actually makes a big difference except sitting at your desk watching beautiful models and staffers walk past all day must be much nicer if not slightly distracting
    Yeah... not too much of a difference... >_>

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    haha... Thanks Brent.. I'd forgotten all about my post but glad I have my answers...

    Very challenging role then by the sounds of it.... Does that mean when we see "Friends" filling up we will know that you are doing a good job... ATK is looking a little lonely in there... Does look like AW has lost quite a few "friends" over the last couple of years... (ohhh poor Abby...) I'm sure, by memory, there was a double sided page full (and small font) of websites. I'm sure you will have it looking full again in no time.

    Pinky

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    For me personally I don't like girl/boy stuff. It's me and the girl/s...I don't want a guy in my fantasies.

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    Glad to see under my account preferences that I can avoid "the penis". I don't subscribe to AW for the boy / girl shoots. It's all about the women for me. There is plenty of other hetero stuff out there for those who are seeking it. AW is the only site I subscribe to and would rather see more frequent releases of girl / girl videos than the current "every Friday".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpinkeyes View Post
    haha... Thanks Brent.. I'd forgotten all about my post but glad I have my answers...

    Very challenging role then by the sounds of it.... Does that mean when we see "Friends" filling up we will know that you are doing a good job... ATK is looking a little lonely in there... Does look like AW has lost quite a few "friends" over the last couple of years... (ohhh poor Abby...) I'm sure, by memory, there was a double sided page full (and small font) of websites. I'm sure you will have it looking full again in no time.

    Pinky
    Yes! More friends! That'd be good. Abby can be a bit introverted; it's about time she get out and play.

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    Pinky, i think you mean our LINKS page? (http://www.abbywinters.com/about/links). The Friends page has only ever had ATK on it, but Brent's working to get more on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garionhall View Post
    Pinky, i think you mean our LINKS page? (http://www.abbywinters.com/about/links). The Friends page has only ever had ATK on it, but Brent's working to get more on there.
    Garion, I think you are correct.... I did mean the links page... or more to the point I mistakenly thought they were the same thing.

    So the Friends page is new... I gather since the "VOD" or whatever it was called section was introduced... BTW... What is the current status of that, if you don't mind me asking??

    Did the links page use to be easier to find or maybe I haven't looked at it since before the forums stopped being blue...

    Never saw the Tag merging rules thing either... I really need to get off the forums and looking at the wonderful models and go back and check out the New Site Guide... see what else I have missed

    Thanks Garion....

    Pinky.... Going back to Abbyland 101...

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    hey pinky,

    I think you mean "pay per scene", where people can buy individual scenes, instead of time-based subscription? That's coming back shortly, and we'll be placing it as an option right beside the monthly options on the join page.

    Tag merging rules is new! it works, but not fully as intended yet - final fixes will go live next week, then I'll launch it, and let everyone know how it works.

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    Garion, Once again, I think you are correct.... I did mean "pay per scene"...

    Now will go back to my corner and let those wanting to talk "boy girl shoots" the floor.

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    Could someone enlighten me as to why shooting hetero scenes is in any way tied to loosing uniqueness?
    And on the other side: there are PLENTY of girl only sites on the web.
    99,99% are a complete waste because of obvious reasons (gay for pay et.c.).
    How is shooting authentic girl/boy scenes where both partners are fully into it and are really enjoying themselves NOT unique?

    When I want to watch girl/boy movies it's really tough to find any of use (other than homemade), because mainstream is doing nothing to me.
    Seeing that both models are really into each other and they are both enjoying it, feeling the passion is what makes this hot for me and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
    REAL LIFE couples! OMG, this IS amazing!
    Now how is that not unique in the porn industry?
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    ^^ what he said!

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    Unique or not, I look forward to the boy/girl scenes done in AW fashion. People saying horrible things to each other while they spit, and/or are spat upon is not exciting to me. This has kept the bulk of my interest in films from the 70's because they at least acted like they wanted to have sex with the PERSON and not just the BODY. Its nice to be able to see this kind of interaction in good lighting and a dearth of dicks with sideburns. :P

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    nice one!

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    The Problem With Guys In AW "GB" Shoots

    It would seem there are some basic problems with the BOY/GIRL shoots - which are made even more difficult if one insists that the BOY in the shoot has to be the GIRL's main squeeze. F'rinstance, the KYLIE_H and her boyfriend GB shoot was, I feel certain, very difficult for the guy - it was obvious he had some performance issues - and who wouldn't? I think he did GREAT - considering all.

    For openers, he is not a professional porno-guy - there's several other people bustling around in the room at the same time, there is studio lighting and the whole idea of sex-as-a-product-predicated on-his-erection would seem to be a guaranteed buzz-killer in his head. Well it sure would for me.

    Despite his obvious devotion to KYLIE_H and desire to participate, the man has to "do stuff" - whereas a woman simply has only to look beautiful and be receptive to the activity and, ultimately, there's no real way to tell if she's faking it; the complete obverse is true for the guy.

    Then there are several GB shoots where what's supposed to be "the BOY" turns out to be what appears more like an "aging/graying/balding/paunchy lecher" - the net result is that "THE GIRL" seems to have taken up with somebody far less interesting and attractive than is she. It's all very confusing.

    Were I to be recruiting for a GB shoot, mebbe the thing I'd do is start out with a suitable BOY and find one who has a girl who'd be willing to appear with him.

    Another issue: Girls masturbating is one thing - but for some reason, it just doesn't seem to be as attractive an activity when the guys do it... not sure why. It might be interesting to have JUST A GUY masturbating - with no girl in the scene - that actually might work better than the tag-team approach we've seen a couple of times. As I understand it, the members of the AW site are, to a great extent, WOMEN - as opposed to it strictly MEN as with many such explicit sites. It may be that women might enjoy watching a guy get his yayas - as it is for men & women to watch women do the same.

    Well - it's a thought.

    Please note - these are no complaints in this note - just observations. Also - to enhance the appeal of GB shoots, the "IM" approach of a stationary camera setup with nobody else "on the set" might end up working better than the (supposedly artistic and allegedly more interesting) use of different camera angles and locations.
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    I probably shouldn't comment on "notarysojac" post as I do not watch the G/B shoots
    BUT... I will say I disagree with 99.9% of it... From my understanding of the reason behind the real life couple thing and why it seems very popular with many members is because its about the love and passion between the couple... Not just some prop that is there to pound away at a beautiful model.This is what sets it apart from mainstream porn.

    Same as why the Girl/Girl shoots work so well as they are real.. The girls are not just screaming on cue or exaggerating (faking) for effect. It's what AW has always been about... It's what AW will hopefully always be about.

    Also.... No facts here... But based on the boards and I'm sure someone at AWHQ has mentioned I think you will find that members of the AW site are, to a great extent, MEN - but is female friendly so may have more female members than many such explicit sites.

    Well this is my reading on it...

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    More on Guys in AW videos

    There was one other point that might be worthy of inclusion in the "The Problem With Guys In AW "GB" Shoots" posting...

    Watching women pleasure themselves tells you ALOT about what women find enjoyable. It would seem that one of the big lessons that men have to learn on the way to becoming better lovers is how much stimulation of the clitoris (versus simple vaginal penetration) is what brings on the most pleasurable sensations. In the same way, it has been my experience that women can have lots to learn about how best to stimulate a man.

    F'rinstance, it's been my personal experience that many women have the very best intentions of delivering pleasure via oral and manual stimulation and yet are not aware of the areas of a man's genitals (and other areas) which are most receptive to such attentions. In practice, my female companions have lavishly attended to, essentially, dormant areas where there is no sensation to be had.

    For women to be able to watch a man pleasure themselves would provide the opportunity to be better informed as to "what works for men". The stereotypical blow-jobs and hand-jobs seen in much of porn are often shown to, at the very end, be cut to a shot of the guy finishing the job for the women via his own hand - because the women were not capable- for whatever reason - of doing so themselves. Certainly there are other circumstances at play in such commercial productions - but a hand-job or blow-job can often be a long and laborious chore for a woman when she's not applying her energies to the best effect. Bottom line: The more you know about how your partner's body works, the more enjoyable will be the experience.

    Well - if **I** was a woman - it would probably be the case that's I'd like to be an especially good lover and would want to know how to do the things for a man which, left to his own devices, he'd do for himself.

    AW does such a great service for men by repeatedly showing what it is that women actually enjoy - it would seem an equally worthy opportunity to do the same for women.
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    Now that would make a mysterious mystery shoot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notarysojac View Post
    It would seem there are some basic problems with the BOY/GIRL shoots - which are made even more difficult if one insists that the BOY in the shoot has to be the GIRL's main squeeze. F'rinstance, the KYLIE_H and her boyfriend GB shoot was, I feel certain, very difficult for the guy - it was obvious he had some performance issues - and who wouldn't? I think he did GREAT - considering all.
    I think so too.

    For openers, he is not a professional porno-guy - there's several other people bustling around in the room at the same time, there is studio lighting and the whole idea of sex-as-a-product-predicated on-his-erection would seem to be a guaranteed buzz-killer in his head. Well it sure would for me.
    Same! We work hard to keep it relaxed and supportive on a shoot,. but at the end of the day, there's still a bunch of people watching you do what you'd normally do in very private circumstances.

    Then there are several GB shoots where what's supposed to be "the BOY" turns out to be what appears more like an "aging/graying/balding/paunchy lecher" - the net result is that "THE GIRL" seems to have taken up with somebody far less interesting and attractive than is she. It's all very confusing.
    I am sure you're extremely handsome yourself, but some of us are not so blessed. Luckily, our models who do shoots with their partners are not only focussed on the looks of their partner, but what's inside. And that's important, I reckon. They may not be life partners (although some i suspect will be), but they love eachother right now, and that's what we're trying to capture.

    Also, some of our customers are not as finely chiseled as yourself, perhaps they can identify with some of the men who appear in GB scenes? Certainly, some customers have told me this.

    Were I to be recruiting for a GB shoot, mebbe the thing I'd do is start out with a suitable BOY and find one who has a girl who'd be willing to appear with him.
    Well, you're certainly free to recruit your own models, but it's not what we're about here on abbywinters.com. As you probably know, we look for suitable young women, who do a few shoots with us, and if they express interest in a GB shoot, we start that discussion. Not everyone proceeds. We have not ever nixed a shoot because we thought a female model's partner was not suitable to be shot, and I cannot imagine we ever will.

    If you want sex scenes of the beautiful people, there are plenty of sites that cater to that. Personally, I find the sex boring and mechanical, lacking emotion, passion or even devotion in many cases, but it cannot be denied that "Tab A" is being inserted into "Slot B".

    Another issue: Girls masturbating is one thing - but for some reason, it just doesn't seem to be as attractive an activity when the guys do it... not sure why. It might be interesting to have JUST A GUY masturbating - with no girl in the scene - that actually might work better than the tag-team approach we've seen a couple of times.
    I am not certain what you mean by this. We're unlikely to ever have solo boys on abbywinters.com (some of the gang in the office and I joke about starting a new site, barrysummers.com for this), but one day we might work on a solo boy site (or a boy-boy sex site). I really want to do a mixed-couples T1 shoot, like, five couples, too.

    That being said, our friend have made a site called gentlemanhandling.com, which is all about guys masturbating, and it's excellent!

    As I understand it, the members of the AW site are, to a great extent, WOMEN - as opposed to it strictly MEN as with many such explicit sites. It may be that women might enjoy watching a guy get his yayas - as it is for men & women to watch women do the same.
    A common myth, but one that has no basis in fact. Most of our members are men. We had a lot of backlash against add GB shoots to the site, I don't think it'd bare this!

    Well - it's a thought.
    It is, and not a bad one, just not quite right for us.

    Please note - these are no complaints in this note - just observations. Also - to enhance the appeal of GB shoots, the "IM" approach of a stationary camera setup with nobody else "on the set" might end up working better than the (supposedly artistic and allegedly more interesting) use of different camera angles and locations.
    The problem with a static camera with more than one model in a sex scene, is that one model ends up blocking the other model for a lot of a the scene (we've tried it). Arguably, plenty of people are not happy with our two-camera-coverage of GG and GB scenes, claiming we do not always capture "the good bits". To some extent I agree, but then we get into the dangerous area where we're telling people HOW to have sex (so the camera can see stuff), and we're trying to keep that to a minimum (of course, to some degree, it has to happen in every shoot we do).

    These are all ideas, they kind of feel like solutions, but I am not really sure what the problem is you're proposing these solutions for?

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    I had typed out a long post, but decided that it might offend a lot of people (which was not my intent), so I decided to just say that I'd rather see B/G shoots and not any G/G shoots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekoda View Post
    I'd rather see B/G shoots and not any G/G shoots.
    Really? Most members seem to prefer G/G to B/G shoots. Why would you prefer not to see any G/G shoots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    Really? Most members seem to prefer G/G to B/G shoots. Why would you prefer not to see any G/G shoots?
    Well, like I mentioned in my post above, I don't want to offend anyone, so I'll just say that, to me (and this is just my opinion), B/G is natural, G/G isn't.

    Also, with a B/G shoot, as a guy, I can fantasize that it's me in the shoot as the guy. With a G/G shoot, I can't relate in any way.
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