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    Unique or not, I look forward to the boy/girl scenes done in AW fashion. People saying horrible things to each other while they spit, and/or are spat upon is not exciting to me. This has kept the bulk of my interest in films from the 70's because they at least acted like they wanted to have sex with the PERSON and not just the BODY. Its nice to be able to see this kind of interaction in good lighting and a dearth of dicks with sideburns. :P

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      nice one!

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        The Problem With Guys In AW "GB" Shoots

        It would seem there are some basic problems with the BOY/GIRL shoots - which are made even more difficult if one insists that the BOY in the shoot has to be the GIRL's main squeeze. F'rinstance, the KYLIE_H and her boyfriend GB shoot was, I feel certain, very difficult for the guy - it was obvious he had some performance issues - and who wouldn't? I think he did GREAT - considering all.

        For openers, he is not a professional porno-guy - there's several other people bustling around in the room at the same time, there is studio lighting and the whole idea of sex-as-a-product-predicated on-his-erection would seem to be a guaranteed buzz-killer in his head. Well it sure would for me.

        Despite his obvious devotion to KYLIE_H and desire to participate, the man has to "do stuff" - whereas a woman simply has only to look beautiful and be receptive to the activity and, ultimately, there's no real way to tell if she's faking it; the complete obverse is true for the guy.

        Then there are several GB shoots where what's supposed to be "the BOY" turns out to be what appears more like an "aging/graying/balding/paunchy lecher" - the net result is that "THE GIRL" seems to have taken up with somebody far less interesting and attractive than is she. It's all very confusing.

        Were I to be recruiting for a GB shoot, mebbe the thing I'd do is start out with a suitable BOY and find one who has a girl who'd be willing to appear with him.

        Another issue: Girls masturbating is one thing - but for some reason, it just doesn't seem to be as attractive an activity when the guys do it... not sure why. It might be interesting to have JUST A GUY masturbating - with no girl in the scene - that actually might work better than the tag-team approach we've seen a couple of times. As I understand it, the members of the AW site are, to a great extent, WOMEN - as opposed to it strictly MEN as with many such explicit sites. It may be that women might enjoy watching a guy get his yayas - as it is for men & women to watch women do the same.

        Well - it's a thought.

        Please note - these are no complaints in this note - just observations. Also - to enhance the appeal of GB shoots, the "IM" approach of a stationary camera setup with nobody else "on the set" might end up working better than the (supposedly artistic and allegedly more interesting) use of different camera angles and locations.
        Last edited by Frans; 14 April 2013, 09:12 AM. Reason: pic removed, please read rules about posting pictures

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          I probably shouldn't comment on "notarysojac" post as I do not watch the G/B shoots
          BUT... I will say I disagree with 99.9% of it... From my understanding of the reason behind the real life couple thing and why it seems very popular with many members is because its about the love and passion between the couple... Not just some prop that is there to pound away at a beautiful model.This is what sets it apart from mainstream porn.

          Same as why the Girl/Girl shoots work so well as they are real.. The girls are not just screaming on cue or exaggerating (faking) for effect. It's what AW has always been about... It's what AW will hopefully always be about.

          Also.... No facts here... But based on the boards and I'm sure someone at AWHQ has mentioned I think you will find that members of the AW site are, to a great extent, MEN - but is female friendly so may have more female members than many such explicit sites.

          Well this is my reading on it...

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            More on Guys in AW videos

            There was one other point that might be worthy of inclusion in the "The Problem With Guys In AW "GB" Shoots" posting...

            Watching women pleasure themselves tells you ALOT about what women find enjoyable. It would seem that one of the big lessons that men have to learn on the way to becoming better lovers is how much stimulation of the clitoris (versus simple vaginal penetration) is what brings on the most pleasurable sensations. In the same way, it has been my experience that women can have lots to learn about how best to stimulate a man.

            F'rinstance, it's been my personal experience that many women have the very best intentions of delivering pleasure via oral and manual stimulation and yet are not aware of the areas of a man's genitals (and other areas) which are most receptive to such attentions. In practice, my female companions have lavishly attended to, essentially, dormant areas where there is no sensation to be had.

            For women to be able to watch a man pleasure themselves would provide the opportunity to be better informed as to "what works for men". The stereotypical blow-jobs and hand-jobs seen in much of porn are often shown to, at the very end, be cut to a shot of the guy finishing the job for the women via his own hand - because the women were not capable- for whatever reason - of doing so themselves. Certainly there are other circumstances at play in such commercial productions - but a hand-job or blow-job can often be a long and laborious chore for a woman when she's not applying her energies to the best effect. Bottom line: The more you know about how your partner's body works, the more enjoyable will be the experience.

            Well - if **I** was a woman - it would probably be the case that's I'd like to be an especially good lover and would want to know how to do the things for a man which, left to his own devices, he'd do for himself.

            AW does such a great service for men by repeatedly showing what it is that women actually enjoy - it would seem an equally worthy opportunity to do the same for women.
            Last edited by garionhall; 16 April 2013, 12:33 AM. Reason: fixed a typo that made the meaning clear

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              Now that would make a mysterious mystery shoot!

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                Originally posted by notarysojac View Post
                It would seem there are some basic problems with the BOY/GIRL shoots - which are made even more difficult if one insists that the BOY in the shoot has to be the GIRL's main squeeze. F'rinstance, the KYLIE_H and her boyfriend GB shoot was, I feel certain, very difficult for the guy - it was obvious he had some performance issues - and who wouldn't? I think he did GREAT - considering all.
                I think so too.

                For openers, he is not a professional porno-guy - there's several other people bustling around in the room at the same time, there is studio lighting and the whole idea of sex-as-a-product-predicated on-his-erection would seem to be a guaranteed buzz-killer in his head. Well it sure would for me.
                Same! We work hard to keep it relaxed and supportive on a shoot,. but at the end of the day, there's still a bunch of people watching you do what you'd normally do in very private circumstances.

                Then there are several GB shoots where what's supposed to be "the BOY" turns out to be what appears more like an "aging/graying/balding/paunchy lecher" - the net result is that "THE GIRL" seems to have taken up with somebody far less interesting and attractive than is she. It's all very confusing.
                I am sure you're extremely handsome yourself, but some of us are not so blessed. Luckily, our models who do shoots with their partners are not only focussed on the looks of their partner, but what's inside. And that's important, I reckon. They may not be life partners (although some i suspect will be), but they love eachother right now, and that's what we're trying to capture.

                Also, some of our customers are not as finely chiseled as yourself, perhaps they can identify with some of the men who appear in GB scenes? Certainly, some customers have told me this.

                Were I to be recruiting for a GB shoot, mebbe the thing I'd do is start out with a suitable BOY and find one who has a girl who'd be willing to appear with him.
                Well, you're certainly free to recruit your own models, but it's not what we're about here on abbywinters.com. As you probably know, we look for suitable young women, who do a few shoots with us, and if they express interest in a GB shoot, we start that discussion. Not everyone proceeds. We have not ever nixed a shoot because we thought a female model's partner was not suitable to be shot, and I cannot imagine we ever will.

                If you want sex scenes of the beautiful people, there are plenty of sites that cater to that. Personally, I find the sex boring and mechanical, lacking emotion, passion or even devotion in many cases, but it cannot be denied that "Tab A" is being inserted into "Slot B".

                Another issue: Girls masturbating is one thing - but for some reason, it just doesn't seem to be as attractive an activity when the guys do it... not sure why. It might be interesting to have JUST A GUY masturbating - with no girl in the scene - that actually might work better than the tag-team approach we've seen a couple of times.
                I am not certain what you mean by this. We're unlikely to ever have solo boys on abbywinters.com (some of the gang in the office and I joke about starting a new site, barrysummers.com for this), but one day we might work on a solo boy site (or a boy-boy sex site). I really want to do a mixed-couples T1 shoot, like, five couples, too.

                That being said, our friend have made a site called gentlemanhandling.com, which is all about guys masturbating, and it's excellent!

                As I understand it, the members of the AW site are, to a great extent, WOMEN - as opposed to it strictly MEN as with many such explicit sites. It may be that women might enjoy watching a guy get his yayas - as it is for men & women to watch women do the same.
                A common myth, but one that has no basis in fact. Most of our members are men. We had a lot of backlash against add GB shoots to the site, I don't think it'd bare this!

                Well - it's a thought.
                It is, and not a bad one, just not quite right for us.

                Please note - these are no complaints in this note - just observations. Also - to enhance the appeal of GB shoots, the "IM" approach of a stationary camera setup with nobody else "on the set" might end up working better than the (supposedly artistic and allegedly more interesting) use of different camera angles and locations.
                The problem with a static camera with more than one model in a sex scene, is that one model ends up blocking the other model for a lot of a the scene (we've tried it). Arguably, plenty of people are not happy with our two-camera-coverage of GG and GB scenes, claiming we do not always capture "the good bits". To some extent I agree, but then we get into the dangerous area where we're telling people HOW to have sex (so the camera can see stuff), and we're trying to keep that to a minimum (of course, to some degree, it has to happen in every shoot we do).

                These are all ideas, they kind of feel like solutions, but I am not really sure what the problem is you're proposing these solutions for?

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                  I had typed out a long post, but decided that it might offend a lot of people (which was not my intent), so I decided to just say that I'd rather see B/G shoots and not any G/G shoots.

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                    Originally posted by Dekoda View Post
                    I'd rather see B/G shoots and not any G/G shoots.
                    Really? Most members seem to prefer G/G to B/G shoots. Why would you prefer not to see any G/G shoots?

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                      Originally posted by Frans View Post
                      Really? Most members seem to prefer G/G to B/G shoots. Why would you prefer not to see any G/G shoots?
                      Well, like I mentioned in my post above, I don't want to offend anyone, so I'll just say that, to me (and this is just my opinion), B/G is natural, G/G isn't.

                      Also, with a B/G shoot, as a guy, I can fantasize that it's me in the shoot as the guy. With a G/G shoot, I can't relate in any way.
                      Last edited by Dekoda; 17 April 2013, 01:31 AM.

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                        Ah, ok. So you're a big fan of more b/g shoots ?

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                          Originally posted by Frans View Post
                          Ah, ok. So you're a big fan of more b/g shoots ?
                          Well, far be it from me to alter the content at AW, I just find that I never look at any of the shoots unless they are BG shoots, and even then, I just look at the video preview. As strange as it sounds, I'm not that interested in the pictures or videos at AW, I just enjoy reading the forums. Scanning, editing and viewing porn for many years kind of makes you lose interest in it....at least it did for me. Even though AW has many beautiful models, I might be able to only recognize a handful, if that many, since I never view the photo shoots or videos. I never go to the home page so I don't know what is new. I have my browser set up to take me directly to the forums.

                          So, don't let my preferences have any impact on what AW does, I am a nobody who likes reading the forums.

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                            Don't put your self down Dekoda for me the forums and all the people who contribute - models, staff and members, are part of what make Aw so special if it was just lovely naked ladies it would still be a good website but it wouldn't be a community. xx

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                              I am more or less ok with more g/b scenes here, I just don't watch them. I only am a bit disappointed to find out that there are models not having done hardcore with other girls but they did have a hardcore scene with their bf.

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                                Hey Alex, We let models choose what they want to do in shoots - some have done both GG and GB shoots, others just prefer one or the other.

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                                  It's like in real life....
                                  Not all girls are bisexual therefore not all girls would be interested to have sex with both Girls and Boys.

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                                    Any girl / boy videos coming soon? Nothing since 8/8 and no listing for one in "upcoming shoots".

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                                      Originally posted by Fallcat View Post
                                      Any girl / boy videos coming soon? Nothing since 8/8 and no listing for one in "upcoming shoots".
                                      Girl/boy shoot are released monthly, and yes there will be one this month (I checked with content-admin). It doesn't show in 'upcoming shoots' yet as it's not fully processed/prepared yet.

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                                        As I have put in another thread g-b only would trigger my interest if there is another girl included.

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                                          AW does such a great service for men by repeatedly showing what it is that women actually enjoy - it would seem an equally worthy opportunity to do the same for women.[/QUOTE]

                                          Hi notarysojac,

                                          Sorry I'm a but late commenting on your post. I only just started reading it again after I left my last comments for this thread.
                                          I like your take on things for this site, it's a really refreshing point of view!
                                          I think considering Abby probably had many female members it would be good from time to time to put up something more male focused I'm sure many women would be interested and it's even in the interest in women, like you say education is a good thing. It would continue Abby winters female friendless
                                          There seems to be a lot of people who do not like the g/ b stuff but that's fine each to their own, I think the chemistry and genuineness of the g/ b shoots is unique and amazing

                                          Alex

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                                            I have a question: would female members (of which site ever) like to see men/men interaction?
                                            Is a kind of vice versa website imaginable? Boy/Boy shoots? Boy intimate moments?
                                            Or is this then considered simply as gay porn? Which has a very different target group..
                                            Hmm... well, I think so...
                                            just thinking...

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                                              please do not!

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                                                Originally posted by alex_kAW View Post

                                                Hi notarysojac,

                                                Sorry I'm a but late commenting on your post. I only just started reading it again after I left my last comments for this thread.
                                                I like your take on things for this site, it's a really refreshing point of view!
                                                I think considering Abby probably had many female members it would be good from time to time to put up something more male focused I'm sure many women would be interested and it's even in the interest in women, like you say education is a good thing. It would continue Abby winters female friendless
                                                There seems to be a lot of people who do not like the g/ b stuff but that's fine each to their own, I think the chemistry and genuineness of the g/ b shoots is unique and amazing

                                                Alex
                                                Alex,
                                                thanks - well said.
                                                Love Sabrina

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                                                  Is there a b/g shoot for February as there is nothing yet shown In upcoming shoots section just wondering when we'll see an update for this

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                                                    Originally posted by samuel_271 View Post
                                                    Is there a b/g shoot for February as there is nothing yet shown In upcoming shoots section just wondering when we'll see an update for this
                                                    Hi Samuel, we have a boy-girl shoot almost ready to be scheduled, its likely to appear in the upcoming list Monday next week.

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                                                      Originally posted by Lili View Post
                                                      Hi Samuel, we have a boy-girl shoot almost ready to be scheduled, its likely to appear in the upcoming list Monday next week.
                                                      Good news! Lili,we look forward to seeing who the lucky girl is. I love the girl/boy shoots you guys are doing. The have the same naturalness and sense of fun we find in the other AW types of shoots. Well done!

                                                      Pretty avatar BTW!

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                                                        Nice profile pic Lili... must be good to finally get out of the Giraffe costume

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                                                          just my opinion but I really don't like bg porn and it kind of ruins it for me to see a girl I like do any bg, for me solo shoots are the best and gg close behind

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