Experiences of other sites?

[sybiandude]

As a matter of interest, what other sites have fellow members been subscribed to / are currently still a member of, & what are your opinions of these sites?

As well as the rather wonderful AbbyWinters.com (of course!), I have also recently been a member of.........

* ATK Galleria - excellent value-for-money, frequent (& large) updates, home to some very talented photographers like Tobe Garrett and R.Williams. Also home to a lot of lesser-quality stuff as well though.

* SybianLounge / SybianWorld - very sparse presentation more than made up for by the largely superb content. Just about the only place on the net where you can find 'real' female orgasms (if you look hard enough). Can sometimes end up waiting a long time between updates.

* Euronudes - new site specialising in pics by Jan Vels, another photographer who's up there with Abby & co. Nicely laid out, but picture filesizes are absolutely huge.

* Karups - very similar to ATK, only not quite as good. Picture quality can be rather grainy.

........and of course........

* AbbyWinters.com - just about the best there is!


SybianDude

[Abby]

One of my faves is Dyonysian Archives. Awesome - check it out! http://www.darchives.com

-abby

[paul]

What is missing on this site is some action!

[Abby]

Hi Paul

Not sure what you mean?

Abby

[arsby]

I guess it all depends on your definition of "action". If all Paul wants is boy/girl action, he's right! There's none.

If Paul considers girl/girl stuff to be "action", there are 4 great g/g sets here. In terms of beauty, content, and quality the Ally/Charlie set is the best lesbian action set I've seen on the web, hands down, . And there are a bunch of videos of it that are amazing! The Charlie/Dee set has insertions. One of the pictures in that set is a closeup with two clitoral hoods and an insertion in one pic! Does that count as "action"?

I consider big clear pictures of pretty girls engaged in enthusiastic masturbation to be "action", and I count over 30 models with great masturbation scenes - several of whom insert fingers and other stuff. For me, that's the best sort of action!

[kumaraguy]

Arsby has got that right ..
There is more action here than you can shake a ..( your img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/wink.gif ).. stick at ...

[timidly]

After losing a wallet and cancelling my credit cards I cancelled my memberships to every site but one :-)

But I'll put in a BIG vote for Dyonysian Archives, and my hat's off to Tobe Garrett and R. Williams, too. Tobe for amazingly high technical standards over the years, and R. Williams for a fine appreciation of women's underwear...

[arsby]

I tried out Dionysian Archives and wasn't that happy with them.
I was irritated that they have a "pay by the set" program without enough information to know what's in each set.
And a lot of the pictures were way too small.
Technical stds were high, though. Gotta give you that.
However, by me, panties are nice but pussy is better.

[Vid Dude]

Whenever Abby backlights a model (like the upcoming Sydney), she'll say "Very Tobe Garrett!" like I'm meant to know what she's talking about. Which until recently I hadn't a clue.

I think Tobe is pronounced "Toby" by the way.

[arsby]

Okay, I'll bite.
Who are Tobe Garrett and R. Williams.
Is it important that I see their work? If so, where?

[Abby]

Hi

Both shoot a lot of material for ATK. Above is a pic by Tobe. Trademark of Tobe is strong back or side light in every shot. That's a standard photographic thing, tho I tend not to shoot that way (but I might soon), but Tobe goes further than textbooks advises. I kinda like it.

I don't have any stuff by R Williams, sorry, but others might?

Abby

[Abby]

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[sybiandude]

Arsby, I can't believe you've never heard of either of them! They're just about the only other photographers on the 'net who rival our own Abby in terms of quality, although she's very much the No.1 now img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

They are both regular contributers to a much bigger rival site - I won't risk annoying Abby by giving the name away, suffice to say I'd be extremely suprised if she didn't acknowledge being influenced in her work by at least one of them in the past.

(R.Williams is short for Riley Williams BTW)

[Abby]

Oh, I am absolutely influenced by both of them, tho more so by Tobe (BTW, got a sample of Riely's pics you could post here?). To be brutally honest, I was influenced a lot by ALS stuff, as well.

Abby

[sybiandude]

Abby, you beat me to it. And here's me worrying about offending you by mentioning ATK............

Tobe takes *much* stronger pix than the one posted below BTW, I think he too must have purchased a new camera recently. Riley Williams pictures tend to be a bit more hit-&-miss, but at his best he easily rivals Tobe & Abby.

This is kinda nerdy (I have no life), but I'd say that the current Nudie Girlie Photographers league table currently looks something like this :-

1) Abby (of course!)
2) Tobe Garrett
3) Riley Williams
4) Jan Vels
5) Max Candy (is this a guy or a company by the way?), recent series only

I can't really think of anyone else worth mentioning to be honest, which says more about the adult industry than anything else.

[sybiandude]

Being honest, I was left completely cold by both ALS and Dyonysian Archives. Different tastes, I guess.

I wasn't aware that us mere mortals could post pictures to the Message Boards, how do I do this Abby?.......or did you mean something else?

Syb

[Abby]

Hi

YOU mentioned ATK (amongst others!) in the founding post of this thread!

Jan Viels... yeah, he does some great stuff, tho it looks over processed to me. It always looks like he's shooting with a cheap digital camera (Olympus, I reckon) (awesome models, tho!), with plenty of light, so the pics are ok.

Syb, as flattering as your list is, there's no way I am at the top of it. Gary over at darchives deserves a mention (heck, I don't even know what colourspace IS, let alone how it applies to my pics!), and Al over at ALS... while the stuff is very much by rote, now, technically it's better than my stuff.

Wait til I get my new flash gear, tho! >

Oh, and yup, you can post pics to the boards, I think there's a 300k per picture (damn, or is that, per article?) post. Click on the little "Discus formatting" link at the bottom of this thread for more info.

The Syntax is <backslash>image{name}.

When you post, you'll be asked for the name and path of the file on your computer.

Abby

[sybiandude]

Great, I'll have a rumage around on my hard-disk for one or two suitable photos & post them tomorrow morning.

I agree with what you say re the Jan Vels models by the way, if anything they are almost a little bit *too* glam & beautiful sometimes; I still prefer the girl-next-door types such as those found at AW.com overall.

Regarding the league table, I suppose I should also give an honourary mention to whoever it is that takes the photos for the 'Ripoff Site' too (for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, a new website appeared on the 'net during the summer which was basically a carbon-copy of AW.com, right down to the exact design details).

I see TeenFlood are employing a pretty useful Aussie photographer as well, aren't they Abby? img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[Abby]

Hi Syb

They sure are! Some excellent stuff there, if I do say so myself. img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

That nameless site has since redesigned, and I have given him some friendly tips on how to improve his pics. In hindsight, that was probably dumb, cos he could become real competition for me (more so than ATK, et al). In all fairness, I should add that all of his pics are original, he just just copied our HTML, tag for tag, and a lot of the text on my site.

Abby

[arsby]

Cheeze, got buried in work for a few hours and missed all the fun here.

There was a big newsgroup posting of pix from that nameless copycat group, and frankly it left me cold. Oh, the pix were big, all right. The girls weren't as cute, they looked like they were working, and there was something foggy about the lighting - wasn't crisp like in Abby's posts. (Maybe Abby can explain technically what I'm talking about.) One other thing that left me cold was a 660 pic set of one girl who barely did any spreads. And the spreads she did do were downright grainy. You couldn't even see the clitoral hood!

Otherwise, the fact that people follow the work of individual photographers is one of those things that I never gave any thought to. I guess I'm too busy looking at the pictures to think about the photographers. Sorta like in theater - the crew is important when you think about it, but you take them for granted. The only photographer whose name I can think of is Denys DiFrancesca, but that's only because he spells it funny -- I don't like his work.

I took a look through my "collection" (properly, "agglomeration") and found a bunch of Tobe, no Williams. While I was looking, I found it interesting that ATK seems to be the only site that gives photographer credits.

BTW I think the ALS photography is brilliant, it's just that their subject matter gets boring after awhile. I guess it's tough to find models who will do all that stuff. And they do the same stuff - over and over and over. (Oh, *another* clear glass bottle up an oiled up pussy. You know what I mean.)

Not to mention that somehow Abby somehow coaxes more personality out of her models than anyone else. Nothing technical about it -- the personality of the model often just shines under Abby's influence.

[timidly]

Yeah - what really got to me about Tobe Garrett's pictures was the lighting - it's almost always perfect. Studio lighting sounds like serious stuff.

And talk about photographers with nice houses!

I like the fact that the ATK sites credit the photographers, and wished the other sites did. (I'm not sure I've seen any others do it.) 200 years from now I hope they're writing about this stuff, and analyzing the great erotic photographers of the Internet Era - Garrett, Winters & Williams.

ATK also forwarded an expression of appreciation to R. Williams, who courteously replied. Reminds me of this place! He included some detailed survey-type questions about what I specifically liked and didn't like. (Reminds me of this place!)

Here is a sample pic by R. Williams.

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[sybiandude]

Righto, a couple of Riley Williams samples coming up......

Example 1 : one of those portrait pictures I'm so keen on.

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[sybiandude]

and.......

Example 2 : 'Straddling the photographer'. These types of picture angles are especially erotic (hint, Abby).

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[Abby]

heh! I'll look into that! Good idea!

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[Abby]

Timidly,

Yah, they sure do seem to have nice houses! Maybe by the time I am their age, I will have a house like that? Doubt it!

I like the idea of creditied photographers, it's a good idea for people like me, trying to make a name for myself. Unfortunately, ATK are the only site who do it, and they don't pay very well, compared to other sites. I have tried offering wholesale discounts for allowing a photographer credit, but no one has taken me up on that offer yet.

I guess that, in a way, my photographic style works for me a little in that department, but only for people who already know my work.

Do you still have a contact address for Williams? I'd like to dro him a line. Ta.

Abby

[timidly]

Good thinking about the straddle shots, Sybiandude!

[Abby]

Arsby,

With regards to pics from that *other* site, that washed out look is due to a bad white balance, and useing a direct flash (with no bounce or softboxes). He's improving his ways. I hate that all his models have huge amounts of makeup, and that it looks like they applied it themselves, getting ready to go to a nighclub, or something.

The ALS stuff used to appeal to me, as well, but no longer. As you say, too "samey". I am a little scared that I will fall into the same thing, actually.

Abby

[arsby]

Well, the ALS site was "samey" 'cause they couldn't find enough models to do all of that bizarre stuff -- kept seeing the same models over and over. And the same shots. Even the same bottles up the pussies. I swear, the same banana, too. And it seemed that with one or two exceptions, every closeup shot was of the same woman - their pussies all looked alike.

Your site, in contrast, posts a new model a week - over 50 in just a year. They are all shapes and sizes. They aren't perfect. You don't insist that they use... gag... specula, or even toys. And their pussies are different!

Vive le difference!

[captainklutz]

I don't think that repetetion of a format or sequence in itself is a bad thing. It gives & re-inforces the site's identity...if indeed in some cases it has one. (This one certainly has its own identity). It only becomes a problem if it starts to irritate the user. As I have posted elsewhere, I have my prefrences & I for one do not mind if all the sequences comply to it (I wish :0) ) For me the variety of models & outfits is important to maintain my interest. Varied backgrounds do little if anything for me...My attention is firmly on the model & her assets ;0) Variations in theme can maintain interest though.

For what it's worth..That's my opinion.

Cap'n