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    to shave or not to shave?

    to shave or not to shave, that is the question? (everygirl asks herself)
    i just thought id express my views on the matter.

    i personally, used to wax it all off, but suddenly came to my senses one day, and asked myself what the ponitof it was?

    i couldnt come up with a good enough reason so i decided to let things grow abit and stop interfering with nature. anyway, i have no regrets, plus it means i dont have to churn out heaps of cash anymore. i would never shave down there anyway, its such an unpleasant thing, legs and under arms are quite enough.
    V

    #2
    Verity,
    Shaved or not? Why not compromise with a neat trim, as gentlemen used to do with their beards. You wouldn't want to look too tangled and jungly, would you?
    Yours,
    Philos

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      #3
      Hi Verity

      I already said on the Four Girls thread that I loved you naturally, the way you are. Now of course I don't like you just cos of any one part of your body or indeed just physically, its also the lovely personality you have too. But I have to admit your natural state down below was extra sexy, for me it just makes you look like a proper beautiful young adult woman (breasts and a 'triangle' of hair).

      Now I have no problems with a girl/woman doing whatever is comfortable for her or if with her partner they share a preference. But there is definitely far too much pressure on girls to shave everything and girls who stay natural and the boys who like them natural (like me!) are sometimes made to feel like weirdos. And as a guy in my mid 20s now, I do sometimes feel a bit like the odd one out in certain conversations (is it really that strange for me to like it hairy down there?). Don't you find it boring that shaving and baldness are just everywhere in porn these days, even amongst nudists. Personally I think pubes are cool on a girl and it just adds to the variety between them, different colours, amounts, styles etc.

      But I am not too worried. I think that this site has the right attitude and realises that hairy is just as sexy and doesn't make you any less of a woman. I'm just really glad to hear that you made your own mind up Verity, using your own common sense reasoning, not someone else telling you what is and isn't attractive. You and Jamie both seem to realise that pubic hair on a young woman is sexy and there are a ton of us out there (including several of us here on the boards!) who love it natural. I hope you will pass this positive message onto prospective models, whilst at the same time letting them do whatever feels right for them.

      Three cheers then Verity for your sexy adult body, your bush (which I hope will make another appearance in your future shoots) and of course your very grown up attitude towards this whole question.

      SF

      PS I'm interested in what your personal experiences are. Did many of the girls at your school shave or go natural when you were in sixth form etc, were there many bushes around? What about friends you have talked to or seen? How do girls you have talked to seem to feel about the issue of body hair on women? I'm also curious as to when and why you originally decided to start waxing, was it personal preference, peer pressure, adverts?

      (Again stop me if I'm being intrusive or just don't answer anything you don't want to, I am sorry for my ever so inquiring mind being unleashed again).
      Last edited by sweatyfox; 4 August 2004, 09:59 AM.

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        #4
        <Insert Hairy subject here>

        Strangely enough it is almost considered a fetish if you like the natural state of things...
        Personally I applaud you, Verity, for having the courage to not take any shaving action.
        But you own that body, so though can taketh or leaveth thine pilus

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          #5
          Originally posted by Verity
          i couldnt come up with a good enough reason so i decided to let things grow abit and stop interfering with nature. anyway, i have no regrets, plus it means i dont have to churn out heaps of cash anymore. i would never shave down there anyway, its such an unpleasant thing, legs and under arms are quite enough.
          V
          Hi Verity,

          I can't do anything else than applaud you for that decision.

          I don't understand this shaving flood and all the people removing their pubic hair. I think if nature would have humans without pubic hair it would have made it. This shaving thing is a permanent discussion at the forums and I don't like shaved girls too much. For me an adult woman should have breasts and pubic hair, it's a sign of the adultness.

          Congratulations for resisting to the pressure.

          lxm
          Last edited by Luxman; 4 August 2004, 11:09 AM.

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            #6
            Verity—

            Not to shave. There is no question. The all-shaven "playboy" look was created and fostered by men who feared and wanted to repress female sexuality. Women are far sexier with hair than without.

            D—

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              #7
              Vagina nascitur, non fit.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Conan
                Vagina nascitur, non fit.
                Lemme see... "A nasty vagina does not fit"

                Am I right?

                (BTW, shouldn't we be talking about vulvae rather than vaginae?)

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                  #9
                  VidDude's still unwell, so it's me for the update again. It's getting hairy

                  I thought you liked things hairy?
                  g

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                    #10
                    pjay .. not quite.
                    It should be poeta nascitur,non fit. Wich means the poet is born, not made. This goes for anything I think.
                    Vulvae or vaginae? Conan non capit muscas. :-)

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                      #11
                      Conan,

                      Erm, I was joking (I am the proud possessor of a Latin GCSE...)

                      I think, BTW, that the distinction between vaginas and vulvas is more than a question of nit-picking (or fly-catching if you will - though my personal favourite is fly-buggering, as the French would have it - il encule les mouches).

                      To summarise, the vagina is the muscular tube that leads from the vulva to the womb. Usages by people (mainly trying to avoid a 'rude' word) such as 'I saw her vagina' imply the possession of a speculum or similar device.

                      The vulva, on the other hand, is the labia, clitoris etc - i.e. the bits more or less on the outside.

                      To put it another way, if a woman says she shaves her vagina, it implies she has hair growing in her birth canal. As we're talking about shaving off pubic hair, the vulva is the area under discussion!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pjay
                        ...il encule les mouches...
                        Mais c'est vachement grossier ça!

                        BTW: To fuck a fly into the arse, you need a pretty tiny dick.

                        lxm

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by luxman
                          Mais c'est vachement grossier ça!
                          Ils sont fous, les Français!

                          Originally posted by luxman
                          BTW: To fuck a fly into the arse, you need a pretty tiny dick.
                          Well, French porn is usually full of anal sex, so that probably says something about the French in general (who will probably advise me to va me faire enculer .. merci quand même) ...

                          The Dutch equivalent is mierenneuken (ant fucking).

                          Excuse me while I go sort out my Streichholzschächtelchen now. I dropped them crossing some horrific Eisenbahnknoten yesterday.

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                            #14
                            Language, language, boys.
                            je ne crois pas ce que j'entend, comment ca se fait vous utilisez toutes ces gros mots?
                            mais bon, c'est quand meme bien vous sachez une autre langue, et le francais, utiliser dans la bonne facon peut etre tres romantique. N'est-ce pas?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Verity
                              je ne crois pas ce que j'entend, comment ca se fait vous utilisez toutes ces gros mots?
                              Eh! Quebecois!

                              Pardonnez-nous! Garçons, il ya des femmes ici! Ne touchez pas ces mouches! Brossez les dents! Lavez les mains! Ras le bol!

                              Originally posted by Verity
                              mais bon, c'est quand meme bien vous sachez une autre langue, et le francais, utiliser dans la bonne facon peut etre tres romantique. N'est-ce pas?
                              Vous avez raison, Mme. Verité. Alors, je vous aime. C'est mieux ça, non?

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by quartz
                                Garçons, il ya des femmes ici!
                                Je dirais plutôt, ily a des filles ici, ou il y a des dames ici, c'est beaucoup plus poli que simplement "femmes", n'est-ce pas.

                                Quartz, you know the French language pretty well, that's fine and a bit surprising for a Dutch guy. I know, most of you speak and write English without any problem, but French....

                                I know a lot of Flemish Belgians, and they have really big problems with French, it should be their second language, funny.

                                Mademoiselle Vérité, coming from Montreal, it's normal that you're fluent in French. What I find a bit funny is when I hear French-Canadian people speaking. They have a nice accent, sometimes difficult to understand, comparable to Aussies & English.

                                What were we talking about? ........oh, yes, shaving.

                                lxm

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by luxman
                                  Je dirais plutôt, ily a des filles ici, ou il y a des dames ici, c'est beaucoup plus poli que simplement "femmes", n'est-ce pas.
                                  Ce n'est pas une question de la politesse, plutôt une observation scientifique (biologique, si vous voulez) ... Alors, si j'aurait écrit 'il y a des fémelles ici' ... bon, d'accord

                                  Originally posted by luxman
                                  Quartz, you know the French language pretty well, that's fine and a bit surprising for a Dutch guy. I know, most of you speak and write English without any problem, but French....
                                  Well ... I'm pretty much Old Skool, and I do pick up languages easily, probably thanks to some genetic coincidence and my classical education, including Latin and Greek, and the rigorous program in my time (I had to read something like 20 English books, 20 French books, and 20 German books for my final exams - they don't do stuff like that anymore).

                                  Most of the younger kids nowadays don't speak any French or German at all, and their English leaves a lot to be desired. Even at university I came across stuff written in English that made my skin crawl (we're talking staff members writing their final thesis here ..).

                                  Originally posted by luxman
                                  I know a lot of Flemish Belgians, and they have really big problems with French, it should be their second language, funny.
                                  Ah well, I don't have to tell you how the Flemish and Walloons feel about one another ... and since most Walloons blatantly refuse to speak anything other than French (even more so than the French themselves), the Flemish aren't too eager to return any favors either ..

                                  Anyway, I should get going with those Streichholzschächtelchen now.

                                  Originally posted by luxman
                                  What were we talking about? ........oh, yes, shaving.
                                  Le donne, attenzione: è pericoloso radersi! Ma, che cosa dico ... è vietato radersi!

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by quartz
                                    Le donne, attenzione: è pericoloso radersi! Ma, che cosa dico ... è vietato radersi!
                                    Eh ben, elo schreiwt en och nach Italienesch, deen Typ as nawell um Kiwiff. Mee ech géing mengen mat deem heiten huet en séng kleng Problemer fir et ze verstoen, oder?

                                    lxm

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                                      #19
                                      Oh yeah, now look at everyone showing off their language skills. But which is the most romantic of the languages displayed here?

                                      Anyway,

                                      La question est "comment est-ce que c'est possible que Abby a assemble un bureau avec deux filles qui sont si belles?" Nous avons Jamie, une deesse, et une des plus belles filles qui a jamais marche sur la terre. Aussi nous avons Verity, une vraie princesse qui, surement, vient du ciel/paradis, parce que sa beaute est inconcevable. Les deux ensemble? On doit me reveiller tout de suite, parce que je pense que c'est un reve, je ne peux pas croire qu'il y a deux filles si fantastiques a la direction de Abby Winters.

                                      Oh and anyone wanna get back to the shaving topic? Any more thoughts? Which do you think looks better on a girl Verity, hairy/shaved/bald or does it depend on the lady?

                                      SF

                                      PS Sorry about no accents on the French, hopefully its readable.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by luxman
                                        Eh ben, elo schreiwt en och nach Italienesch, deen Typ as nawell um Kiwiff. Mee ech géing mengen mat deem heiten huet en séng kleng Problemer fir et ze verstoen, oder?
                                        That's funny. This is exactly how the weather forecast on the Luxembourg RTL Journal sounded this morning. And you know what: they were right! There was weather today!

                                        Let's see what I can make of this ..

                                        Eh bien, jetzt schreibt er auch noch Italienisch [something]. Mee ech (Mais ich, aber moi?) [.. the rest sounds like two trucks full of cow bells in a head-on collision (séng kleng), most likely followed by a swift descent down a steep, bumpy Luxembourg slope, which produces so much noise that it produces] problems to understand it.

                                        Enfin. Sowas?

                                        Rare lui, die Luxemburgers.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by sweatyfox
                                          Oh yeah, now look at everyone showing off their language skills. But which is the most romantic of the languages displayed here?
                                          Body language, of course.

                                          Originally posted by sweatyfox
                                          Les deux ensemble? On doit me reveiller tout de suite, parce que je pense que c'est un reve
                                          Just a short translation of Sweatyfox's gist: he's dreaming about a G/G shoot featuring Jamie and Verity - though he's masking it rather well - leave it up to me to place the proper accents -

                                          Originally posted by sweatyfox
                                          Oh and anyone wanna get back to the shaving topic?
                                          Like I said before: vietato! Trim a little if you must, don't torture yourself any further. If guys want you to shave, insist they do it first. And then kick them out for looking like they stole their tackle from a butcher's shop ...

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by quartz
                                            ... the rest sounds like two trucks full of cow bells in a head-on collision (séng kleng), most likely followed by a swift descent down a steep, bumpy Luxembourg slope, which produces so much noise that it produces] problems to understand it..
                                            Not bad, the beginning is absolutely correct, and I knew that you'll have trouble with the rest. To be honest, I've searched my words very well to raise the diffculty level a bit.

                                            The correct translation:

                                            Oh fine, now he starts writing in Italian, this guy is on the qui vive. But I think with this part he'll have a small problem to understand.

                                            Anyway, I think this was fun and being interested in languages I'm impressed by your knowledge. Note that "qui vive" has a slightly different sense than in English, it means "pretty smart".

                                            lxm

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by luxman
                                              Anyway, I think this was fun and being interested in languages I'm impressed by your knowledge. Note that "qui vive" has a slightly different sense than in English, it means "pretty smart".
                                              Ah, so it was qui vive. I thought as much (it made sense phonetically), but I couldn't connect it with the rest of the sentence, so I left it. As for deen Typ, I wanted to say 'the guy', but I saw den where I expected der (as in German), so it didn't make sense. Now I realize it wasn't 'the guy', but 'this guy' or 'that guy' - in southern parts of The Netherlands that would be 'diejen' (deeyun), which is probably pronounced the same way as deen (two syllables).

                                              I'm not even sure what 'qui vive' signifies in English. In Dutch it is used to describe someone who's very aware, looking out. "Hij is op zijn qui vive" -> "He is on his qui vive" - on alert, on the lookout, expecting trouble.

                                              Anyhow, back to your razor blades, messieursdames.
                                              Last edited by Quartz; 6 August 2004, 02:48 PM.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by sweatyfox
                                                La question est "comment est-ce que c'est possible que Abby a assemble un bureau avec deux filles qui sont si belles?" ......
                                                SF, you're fluent in French too, are you natively speaking English?

                                                I've made the experience that French people (I've a lot of French employees, the majority of our staff is from France) do all speak 3 languages: French, French & French.

                                                Seriously most of them do only speak French, most of them don't have any intention or interest to learn a foreign language and that's a pity. I'm always happy when I'm on holidays (from tomorrow on for 3 weeks, yeah!!!) and I'm able to communicate with most of the people I meet.

                                                lxm

                                                P.S. Back to the theme: Please girls, stop shaving!!!

                                                P.P.S.: SF, c'est dommage que tu (ou devrais-je écrire vous?) n'as jamais posté ici.
                                                Last edited by Luxman; 6 August 2004, 07:29 PM.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Visual appeal aside, I once asked a partner if I should consider shaving, and she simply could not
                                                  understand why I'd want to deprive her of one of her favorite things to play with.

                                                  Verity, "came to your senses" is right. Waxing... *shudder*... the pain some people will endure for
                                                  such silliness has always been beyond my comprehension.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by sara
                                                    ... the pain some people will endure for
                                                    such silliness has always been beyond my comprehension.
                                                    Hi Sara,

                                                    What you say here is absolutely correct. We should write SILLINESS in capitals, bold and underline it, to make clear what it is.

                                                    lxm

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by luxman
                                                      Mademoiselle Vérité, coming from Montreal, it's normal that you're fluent in French.
                                                      I thought Verity was a Brit... one of us is confused.

                                                      I post one French phrase and you lot just go off on one!!

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by luxman
                                                        Eh ben, elo schreiwt en och nach Italienesch, deen Typ as nawell um Kiwiff. Mee ech géing mengen mat deem heiten huet en séng kleng Problemer fir et ze verstoen, oder?
                                                        Luxman,

                                                        There appears to be something wrong with your keyboard

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pjay
                                                          I thought Verity was a Brit... one of us is confused.
                                                          And it's me... honestly, i can;t keep up with the info on these boards.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by pjay
                                                            Luxman,

                                                            There appears to be something wrong with your keyboard
                                                            It seems you don’t know of encryption.

                                                            lxm

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