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    Wha……? There was once a thread here instigated by the dearly departed “bronze”. Despite (or because) the thread appeared to make no sense whatsoever I wrote a reply. However, be that as it may, I now notice that the thread has been completely removed even though bronze’s comments were not abusive, rude or derogatory. Whilst I accept that the thread was in the firing line to be shifted to the “Mundane” forum (which could be re-named to something more appropriate but that’s another issue) to completely obliterate it because it did not conform to a perceived sense of order was uncalled for in my opinion.

    There have been jocular references to the “thread police” but one of the delights of the aw.com forums was the controlled anarchy, wayward thought and off the wall humour that used to prevail. This included meandering threads which had a charm all of its own. Individualism is being rubbed out. Recently, one correspondent was criticised for “negative thoughts”, even though that person is very positive and resolute in the more innocent aspects of this site. We really do not want an Orwellian diktat along the lines of “you vill be cheerful.”

    I understand that moderating a forum is a difficult job, but maybe we could err on the side of caution rather than heavy-handiness.

    #2
    Originally posted by Roops
    There have been jocular references to the “thread police” but one of the delights of the aw.com forums was the controlled anarchy, wayward thought and off the wall humour that used to prevail. This included meandering threads which had a charm all of its own. Individualism is being rubbed out. Recently, one correspondent was criticised for “negative thoughts”, even though that person is very positive and resolute in the more innocent aspects of this site. We really do not want an Orwellian diktat along the lines of “you vill be cheerful.”
    Leaving aside Bronze,(because he did appear to be rather rude to Vid Dude in another thread),hear hear.

    I always enjoy reading the posts of the correspondent to whom you refer.

    He has a style all his own,which has a lot of spark and tension.He's never discourteous to the models,other correspondents,or the AW team,to whom he recently paid the most charming compliment that I've ever read on these boards.

    He's very appropriately named,because he has a mischievous and puckish sense of humour,that seems to be misunderstood,when,from time to time,he engages in a little provocative speculation,or dramatic gloom and melancholy.

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      #3
      Speaking as a former moderator of boards et al. (most of which were, admittedly, way more high-octane and prone to spinning out of control than these), I feel that a thread like this, obviously created to be nonsensical (not jocular, mundane or off-topic) and intended to create equally nonsenical follow-ups, amounts to trolling - and trolling should be nipped in the bud. Especially when several threads like that are created in a short time-span, banning the poster plus deleting the threads is a desirable course of action. That is not heavy-handedness, it's sanitation. Do not forget the camel's nose.

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        #4
        Roops, does [url="http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=23935#post23935"]]this answer the question? Or is this a different bronze?

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          #5
          That's the same bronze. In fact, when I first read his posts, I thought he was someone who was fluent in his own language only and was using a few concatenated online translation sites to get to an English translation. Imagine someone who can only speak Portuguese, and who can not find a Portuguese-English translation site, whereas he can find a Portuguese-Swedish and a Swedish-English translation site. See what you end up with.

          Anyway, that's what I thought ... until I remembered that every board, newsgroup and mailing list attracts a kook at some time. Give them enough leeway, and they will become more annoying. Give it some time, and more kooks will join in. The camel's nose.

          Sometimes, moderation requires a pre-emptive strike. Bronze wouldn't have survived a day on any of my boards, lists or groups.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Bob
            Roops, does this answer the question? Or is this a different bronze?
            By the way, this bronze has 4 posts to his name, all nonsensical. Maybe this is a different bronze (a main-site member) who replaced a former bronze (a board member who had a different user name on the main site) when the sites' databases were merged ...

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              #7
              Roops has shared his own brand of nonsense from time to time, and it's a level of entertainment I'd gladly read again and again.

              Bronze, on the other hand, is surreal without having anything to latch onto. And more than likely he thought he was being perfectly understandable.

              I wouldn't have banned him if he had scattered one or two weird posts in amongst a lot of regular posts. Instead he posted five incomprehensible pieces of madness in the space of twenty minutes and then insulted me (I think he insulted me, but to be honest it's hard to tell - I took the word 'stupid' literally).

              End result: he's gone.

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                #8
                I think he'd probably overdosed on Bob Dylan at some point.

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                  #9
                  The posts in the thread link posted by Bob remind me of one of those automatic sentence generators you can find on the web. (Naturally, I have no links to back this up...)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Roops
                    ...I now notice that the thread has been completely removed even though bronze’s comments were not abusive, rude or derogatory.
                    Hi Mr. Roops,

                    I've deleted this thread because I've seen that this guy must have a...let's say psychological problem, and all his posts where not only senseless but one of them was pretty rude in my eyes (see the link posted by Bob).

                    After some (more or less funny) replies by members I really like, I've asked to stop posting in the thread cos this only gives a value and an attention to the nonsense that it doesn't deserve. Unfortunately people didn't understand and I had the choice of closing the thread or removing it, I chose the second one and I'm not sorry, sorry!

                    Originally posted by Roops
                    We really do not want an Orwellian diktat along the lines of “you vill be cheerful.”
                    That's not my intention.

                    I love kidding, joking, high-jacking threads (sorry Abby & Vid Dude, I try to do it at an acceptable level) as much as you do, but this was too much for my poor soul.

                    Lxm - the unyielding eraser
                    Always at your service.
                    Last edited by Luxman; 3 December 2004, 06:41 AM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Luxman
                      I've deleted this thread because I've seen that this guy must have a...let's say psychological problem,...
                      Could the problem be that "this guy" doesn't know any English and is using a dictionary to translate each word, getting the wrong sense for most of them, and ignoring syntax and idiom? I suspect the result of doing that would be very like his efforts. Just a thought.
                      -P

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                        #12
                        We deal with people who have a bad grasp of English every day. This did not fit that profile. But even if it did, his posts were not contributing anything worthwhile. And the insult was the topper.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pjay
                          The posts in the thread link posted by Bob remind me of one of those automatic sentence generators you can find on the web. (Naturally, I have no links to back this up...)
                          Me too. For a while, I was receiving a lot of spams that sounded like that. I supposed they were intended to confuse the anti-spam software.
                          g

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by adamsgcan
                            Me too. For a while, I was receiving a lot of spams that sounded like that. I supposed they were intended to confuse the anti-spam software.
                            g
                            Correct. These randomly generated messages (or lines) were created as so-called hashbusters, and they were intended to bypass content-based spamfilters that stored hashes (calculated and encoded fingerprints) of well-know spam runs. You can find an example here. The goal is also to 'fluff up' the text, causing key spam words like 'Viagra' to make up a lower percentage of the entire text, causing it to stay below certain threshold scores that would identify the message as spam.

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                              #15
                              Not my decision thank goodness, but I can think of others who push the limits on a regular basis over the long term. I don't really get what this (brief) member's great crime was, aside from perhaps a lack of english proficiency and/or a bit of mental imbalance.

                              Timbit

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                                #16
                                'Banned' from the boards is not sending him to prison or anything.

                                It's to stop his problematic headache-inducing pseudo-trolling from plaguing the forums.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Philos
                                  Could the problem be that "this guy" doesn't know any English and is using a dictionary to translate each word, getting the wrong sense for most of them, and ignoring syntax and idiom?
                                  I've thought at this possibility too.

                                  I think, if I don't know any English, and I have to translate every word by an automatic translation service with a crappy output, I should not start posting on an English forum and annoying people.

                                  I don't speak Polish, so I surely would never post on a Polish site.

                                  As you can see here he's got a warning by Vid Dude.

                                  Lxm

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                                    #18
                                    Lux, along with the many other global subscribers

                                    I've often wondered why it is that you write with such good english and not even a hint of regional idiosyncrasy. Many times it seems I have more trouble figuring different terminology from Australian English that than I do from what you write.

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                                      #19
                                      I guess we’ll never know why bronze felt the need to brass everybody off. Whether he was on a piss-take as part of a deliberate trolling exercise or whether he was simply barking mad is a question that will never be answered.

                                      Whatever; it was right that he was banned, though it seems somewhat nonsensical to delete one post yet leave others remaining including the offensive one (which I was aware of when I posted my rant). One would have thought that it made sense to leave evidence of what can lead to a banning so that others can understand the standards of etiquette required of them unless, of course, a post’s content is offensive.

                                      In the case of the deleted thread, my equally surreal response to bronze’s post had, I felt, given some potential for some humorous mileage, which others could have capitalised on. This would not have given bronze any “value”, quite the reverse, as subsequent answers would have emphasised the arse that bronze was - remember he was already banned.

                                      Oh and BTW Luxman, I still like you.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Roops
                                        In the case of the deleted thread, my equally surreal response to bronze’s post had, I felt, given some potential for some humorous mileage, which others could have capitalised on. This would not have given bronze any “value”, quite the reverse, as subsequent answers would have emphasised the arse that bronze was - remember he was already banned.
                                        I only wanted to stop posting in the thread. If I had closed it, it had drained too much attention to it, so I deleted it (with no possibility of restore). The other threads are already "sleeping" (please be so kind and don't wake them up) so I leaved them on the boards, including the one causing bronze to be banned.

                                        Originally posted by Roops
                                        Oh and BTW Luxman, I still like you.
                                        Dear, Roops, I like you too,...but,...ehm,...much more important, how about Mrs. Roops?

                                        Lxm

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Luxman
                                          I like you too,...but,...ehm,...much more important, how about Mrs. Roops?
                                          I still like her as well

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Roops
                                            I still like her as well
                                            Very funny, hahaha...

                                            Lxm

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                                              #23
                                              Whoa, I missed this thread. Blame that on period pains….Um, I guess you didn't need to know that, but what the hell, you all know what my twat looks like so I guess I'm not letting any secrets out!!

                                              Now back to the thread……
                                              Originally posted by Luxman
                                              I only wanted to stop posting in the thread. If I had closed it, it had drained too much attention to it, so I deleted it (with no possibility of restore). The other threads are already "sleeping" (please be so kind and don't wake them up) so I leaved them on the boards, including the one causing bronze to be banned
                                              Hmmmm, not sure I understand the logic of that but as Roops is always telling me, "women don't do logic", so who cares!!!!

                                              Oh, and in answer to your question Luxy, You're still my love!!!!

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mrs Roops
                                                Oh, and in answer to your question Luxy, You're still my love!!!!
                                                Oh, you know how to make a man happy!!!!

                                                Lxm

                                                BTW: I need a red smily in the shape of a heart, please Vid Dude. The last exclamation mark above was especially for you.
                                                Last edited by Luxman; 5 December 2004, 01:14 AM.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mrs Roops
                                                  Hmmmm, not sure I understand the logic of that...
                                                  Perhaps I could explain you during a tête-à-tête.
                                                  I'm very good in explanations, I swear.

                                                  Lxm

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                                                    #26
                                                    Just an observation but.. Luxman "wields limited power" signing off as "LXM- the unyeilding eraser" I'm just a little nervous.
                                                    . Please don't ever decide to have a raid on badly spelled posts. YEs this is off topic and yes i am disappearing now


                                                    Cheers dears and drink more beers
                                                    Pietro

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                                                      #27
                                                      Am i being stupid?

                                                      Is not the reflection his seeing his own stupdity?
                                                      Do these boards not bridge huge distances?
                                                      Is the contact not pretend or 'fantasy', thus promoting emotional distance?
                                                      Are adult websites not dirty (even a little bit)?
                                                      Even Abby's?

                                                      Only a thought. Please dont ban me.
                                                      Last edited by Abbyhabit; 7 December 2004, 04:01 PM.

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Abbyhabit
                                                        Is not the reflection his seeing his own stupdity?
                                                        .......
                                                        Are adult websites not dirty (even a little bit)?
                                                        Ergo dirtiness is in the eyes of the beholder ??

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                                                          #29
                                                          Dirty is good. And the thing that's so good about AW.com is that we get to see clean girls get a little dirty.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Ok, Im sure it was all a wind up, but Bronze still has me thinking.

                                                            His offensive post was headed 'BBs' which is a baseball term (base on balls). It means to take a walk.

                                                            Ah hell, he was probably trolling. Enough already............

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