Why not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.
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Originally posted by SkenderbegWhy not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.
Would slightly go agains the natural theme of the website though...
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Originally posted by arsbyDon't do it! If I liked that soft-pore corn stuff I'da joined Met Art.
That said, I don't think that period costumes would always equal to a departure from Abby's "show the models in motion / having fun" paradigm - but considering that clothes don't play that much of a role in the shoots we get and that it would probably be really hard to find a model with a drawer full of period clothes where she can rummage through -- or else, it would be a little bit disappointing that these clothes come off quite early in the video / the shoot.
That said, I would thoroughly enjoy some GGT1/GGT2 or deviations shoot where two models in period costumes get involved in passionate kissing and/or undressing (and, in the case of 19th century, unlacing) each other. But I don't think Abby's props budget would warrant period costumes for one or even two victorian ladies (or maids) since they're quite a lot of work to make (see here for a feeling of the hand work in period costumes).
On one hand, doing it half-heartedly could quite possibly turn out to be as good as not doing it at all; on the other hand, I would really love to see something like that.
And the imagination of Evangeline as a Victorian lady riding siddlesaddle with a riding crop just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling round the heart, even when there's no photos of it (yet?)
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We could probably find some in a Costume Hire place somewhere.
I once had a british magazine, an issue of Mayfair I think it was, that had a photospread of three models all dressed in Victorian dresses, in lovely pastel colours, that got nude as they played croquet. It was one of the most beautiful imagesets I'd ever seen, and I credit it for my appreciation of the female ankle.
I'd love to see that shoot again, actually.
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Originally posted by Vid DudeI once had a british magazine, an issue of Mayfair I think it was, that had a photospread of three models all dressed in Victorian dresses, in lovely pastel colours, that got nude as they played croquet. It was one of the most beautiful imagesets I'd ever seen, and I credit it for my appreciation of the feamale ankle.
I'd love to see that shoot again, actually.
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I knew someone would come through with something like this! Gordyboy, you are fantastic!
Here is the shoot. I'm keeping these pics somewhere safe.
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Originally posted by arsbyDon't do it! If I liked that soft-pore corn stuff I'da joined Met Art.
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Originally posted by DEVRIESTo be perfectly clear, Met-Art is a site for erotic photography, not for soft-core pornography (albeit that the boundaries between these two aren't always that clear-cut).Pornography: The explicit description or exhibition of sexual subjects or activity in literature, painting, films, etc., in a manner intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic feelings; literature etc. containing this.
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Originally posted by PhilosIndeed, the Oxford dictionary defines one in terms of the other:Pornography: The explicit description or exhibition of sexual subjects or activity in literature, painting, films, etc., in a manner intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic feelings; literature etc. containing this.As an analytic philosopher, I wouldn't dream of questioning a definition from the OED. Whether I could really agree with this definition, however, would depend on the meaning of the phrase 'erotic feelings'. If it means something like feelings of sexual excitement or arousal, I would endorse this definition. And I would say that, accordingly, erotic photography is characterised by the intention to stimulate aesthetic rather than erotic feelings.
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Originally posted by gordyboySome kind soul has taken the time to put together an online archive of Mayfair magazine from 1971 - 1990, with a few gaps here and there (www.creamcheese.org.uk). Haven't seen the photoshoot that you're talking about yet, but there is a lot of trawling still to do. There is some nice, natural stuff here from the days before British porn got cheap and tacky!
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thank you Gordyboy--I've bookmarked it. I bought a few Mayfairs in the 90s and was really impressed by the models. Nina Downe--I think that was her name. Wow.
Does anyone know if someone has scanned images from Oui magazine in the 70s, before it turned crappy? They had some gorgeous models from Europe.
Speaking of the OED, I encountered a woman in a bookstore last night who was trying for find a good dictionary for her daughter, who asked for one for her birthday. Let me repeat that--her daughter asked for one for her birthday. In these TV-dominated times, it is cause for celebration when anyone buys a substantial dictionary. Or a dictionary. Or a book.
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Originally posted by DEVRIESWhether I could really agree with this definition, however, would depend on the meaning of the phrase 'erotic feelings'. If it means something like feelings of sexual excitement or arousal, I would endorse this definition. And I would say that, accordingly, erotic photography is characterised by the intention to stimulate aesthetic rather than erotic feelings.
1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.
Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?
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Originally posted by PhilosJust one more, then I'll leave you in peace. We seem to have arrived at this:
1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.
Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?
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Originally posted by Philos1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.
Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?Originally posted by DEVRIESI'm inclined to say that this is indeed an example of equivocation. If 'erotic' in the first statement meant the same as in the second, it would mean something like aesthetic.
(i). Erotic photography is called erotic because it stimulates erotic feelings
(ii). The feelings stimulated by erotic photography are both erotic and aesthetic (from (i) and 1.)
(iii). If the feelings are both erotic and aesthetic as a matter of essential properties as in (ii), erotic and aesthetic must have the same meaning.
I tend to agree with both (i) and (ii) but I would say that the meaning contribution of erotic is different in (1.) and (2.) -- erotic feelings are the OED editor's euphemism for whatever turns you on in case the fruit bowl over there doesn't make you horny, and erotic photography is a genre of photography (where "erotic" serves for the distinction among the other fellas who do landscapes, wildlife or clothing). Erotic photography is thus a sub-genre of photography which is an art and thus (hopefully) intended to simulate aesthetic feelings.
In fact, something can be both erotic photography and pornography, but good porn doesn't have to be artistic to be good at being porn and good erotic photography doesn't need to be very explicit and/or raunchy. Moreover, mainstream pornography tends to neglect asthetic value (to the point of failing to stimulate erotic feelings in anybody whose mind is not totally numb) and mainstream erotic photography tends to neglect the raunchyness aspect (which in some cases doesn't hurt its pornographic value for its followers).
Now take that truth-conditional-meaning ideas and put them away someplace where they don't get in the way. (Not that I'm totally against syllogisms, it's just that they're not the right tool here). Thanks.
Just my $0.02,
Sqrt17
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Originally posted by artloverthank you Gordyboy--I've bookmarked it. I bought a few Mayfairs in the 90s and was really impressed by the models. Nina Downe--I think that was her name. Wow.
Does anyone know if someone has scanned images from Oui magazine in the 70s, before it turned crappy? They had some gorgeous models from Europe.
Speaking of the OED, I encountered a woman in a bookstore last night who was trying for find a good dictionary for her daughter, who asked for one for her birthday. Let me repeat that--her daughter asked for one for her birthday. In these TV-dominated times, it is cause for celebration when anyone buys a substantial dictionary. Or a dictionary. Or a book.
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Originally posted by sqrt17Back to the topic of period costumes and 70s era porn magazinesLast edited by DEVRIES; 20 August 2005, 10:09 PM.
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Originally posted by arsbyOkay, then, but if you start smearing the lens with vaseline I'm outa here! :P
And remember it's not just corsets. I can see in my mind's eye a shoot with two or three models (can't think who) dressed as flappers from the 1920s complete with strings of pearls and cigaretts in holders (though being a non-smoker I'm no fan of smoking shots).
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Originally posted by evangelineOooohh! That's be cool! Victorian ladies riding sidesaddle and holding a riding crop!
Would slightly go agains the natural theme of the website though...
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Hey Arsby! The actually made soft-focus lenses in the past.. You'd pay EXTRA to have a lens that had another ring that controlled how soft the image got.. So click "zero" was sharp and it got progressively more fucked up from there. Nowadays you can do all of that in Photoshop. I wonder how much you could get for an old SF lens today?
I know this theme isn't to your liking, but think of it this way - period costumes mean you get Super Deluxe Dressing Room sets! You'd get to see them doff their modern gear, don the costumes, do the set, and then put their modern clothes back on.. Very "backstage," i.e Theatrical.
Heck, they don't even have to be in "period costume" - It'd be fun (for me at least) to see a model get dressed for a formal occasion, job interview, etc. Something about beautiful women in beautiful clothes..
BB
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Originally posted by SkenderbegWhy not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.
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Originally posted by brownboyletambI know this theme isn't to your liking, but think of it this way - period costumes mean you get Super Deluxe Dressing Room sets! You'd get to see them doff their modern gear, don the costumes, do the set, and then put their modern clothes back on.. Very "backstage," i.e Theatrical.think of doing itdo it for real, but as a fantasy it really turns me on.
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