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    Why not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.

    #2
    Originally posted by Skenderbeg
    Why not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.
    Oooohh! That's be cool! Victorian ladies riding sidesaddle and holding a riding crop!
    Would slightly go agains the natural theme of the website though...

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      #3
      Don't do it! If I liked that soft-pore corn stuff I'da joined Met Art.

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        #4
        Victorian ladies riding sidesaddle and holding a riding crop!
        So you're volunteering, Artlover said hopefully.

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          #5
          Originally posted by arsby
          Don't do it! If I liked that soft-pore corn stuff I'da joined Met Art.
          Well, I sometimes like the glammy, artsy style of MetArt, and look at the free samples they give out. And then I surprised myself by thinking "and now, she should say something, or do something funny or sporty or otherwise cool". A moment later I realized that the models probably were from an Eastern European country and possibly wouldn't speak English, and that MetArt would probably one of the last places where you'd see models doing cartwheels or driving around on wheelie stools.

          That said, I don't think that period costumes would always equal to a departure from Abby's "show the models in motion / having fun" paradigm - but considering that clothes don't play that much of a role in the shoots we get and that it would probably be really hard to find a model with a drawer full of period clothes where she can rummage through -- or else, it would be a little bit disappointing that these clothes come off quite early in the video / the shoot.

          That said, I would thoroughly enjoy some GGT1/GGT2 or deviations shoot where two models in period costumes get involved in passionate kissing and/or undressing (and, in the case of 19th century, unlacing) each other. But I don't think Abby's props budget would warrant period costumes for one or even two victorian ladies (or maids) since they're quite a lot of work to make (see here for a feeling of the hand work in period costumes).
          On one hand, doing it half-heartedly could quite possibly turn out to be as good as not doing it at all; on the other hand, I would really love to see something like that.

          And the imagination of Evangeline as a Victorian lady riding siddlesaddle with a riding crop just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling round the heart, even when there's no photos of it (yet?)

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            #6
            We could probably find some in a Costume Hire place somewhere.

            I once had a british magazine, an issue of Mayfair I think it was, that had a photospread of three models all dressed in Victorian dresses, in lovely pastel colours, that got nude as they played croquet. It was one of the most beautiful imagesets I'd ever seen, and I credit it for my appreciation of the female ankle.

            I'd love to see that shoot again, actually.

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              #7
              I am certainly not against this idea - it'd be the kinda thing to go in to the Deviations section.

              a

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                #8
                Originally posted by Vid Dude
                I once had a british magazine, an issue of Mayfair I think it was, that had a photospread of three models all dressed in Victorian dresses, in lovely pastel colours, that got nude as they played croquet. It was one of the most beautiful imagesets I'd ever seen, and I credit it for my appreciation of the feamale ankle.

                I'd love to see that shoot again, actually.
                Some kind soul has taken the time to put together an online archive of Mayfair magazine from 1971 - 1990, with a few gaps here and there (www.creamcheese.org.uk). Haven't seen the photoshoot that you're talking about yet, but there is a lot of trawling still to do. There is some nice, natural stuff here from the days before British porn got cheap and tacky!

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                  #9
                  I knew someone would come through with something like this! Gordyboy, you are fantastic!

                  Here is the shoot. I'm keeping these pics somewhere safe.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by arsby
                    Don't do it! If I liked that soft-pore corn stuff I'da joined Met Art.
                    To be perfectly clear, Met-Art is a site for erotic photography, not for soft-core pornography (albeit that the boundaries between these two aren't always that clear-cut).

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DEVRIES
                      To be perfectly clear, Met-Art is a site for erotic photography, not for soft-core pornography (albeit that the boundaries between these two aren't always that clear-cut).
                      Indeed, the Oxford dictionary defines one in terms of the other:
                      Pornography: The explicit description or exhibition of sexual subjects or activity in literature, painting, films, etc., in a manner intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic feelings; literature etc. containing this.

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                        #12
                        Okay, then, but if you start smearing the lens with vaseline I'm outa here! :P

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Philos
                          Indeed, the Oxford dictionary defines one in terms of the other:
                          Pornography: The explicit description or exhibition of sexual subjects or activity in literature, painting, films, etc., in a manner intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic feelings; literature etc. containing this.
                          As an analytic philosopher, I wouldn't dream of questioning a definition from the OED. Whether I could really agree with this definition, however, would depend on the meaning of the phrase 'erotic feelings'. If it means something like feelings of sexual excitement or arousal, I would endorse this definition. And I would say that, accordingly, erotic photography is characterised by the intention to stimulate aesthetic rather than erotic feelings.


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                            #14
                            Originally posted by gordyboy
                            Some kind soul has taken the time to put together an online archive of Mayfair magazine from 1971 - 1990, with a few gaps here and there (www.creamcheese.org.uk). Haven't seen the photoshoot that you're talking about yet, but there is a lot of trawling still to do. There is some nice, natural stuff here from the days before British porn got cheap and tacky!
                            Wow! I looked by name as Joanne Latham was a Penthose model that I knew had done British work and here she is!

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                              #15
                              Just want to ass my vote to the period costume idea.
                              Nice one, Skenderbeg!

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                                #16
                                thank you Gordyboy--I've bookmarked it. I bought a few Mayfairs in the 90s and was really impressed by the models. Nina Downe--I think that was her name. Wow.

                                Does anyone know if someone has scanned images from Oui magazine in the 70s, before it turned crappy? They had some gorgeous models from Europe.

                                Speaking of the OED, I encountered a woman in a bookstore last night who was trying for find a good dictionary for her daughter, who asked for one for her birthday. Let me repeat that--her daughter asked for one for her birthday. In these TV-dominated times, it is cause for celebration when anyone buys a substantial dictionary. Or a dictionary. Or a book.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DEVRIES
                                  Whether I could really agree with this definition, however, would depend on the meaning of the phrase 'erotic feelings'. If it means something like feelings of sexual excitement or arousal, I would endorse this definition. And I would say that, accordingly, erotic photography is characterised by the intention to stimulate aesthetic rather than erotic feelings.
                                  Just one more, then I'll leave you in peace. We seem to have arrived at this:

                                  1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
                                  2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.

                                  Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Philos
                                    Just one more, then I'll leave you in peace. We seem to have arrived at this:

                                    1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
                                    2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.

                                    Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?
                                    I'm inclined to say that this is indeed an example of equivocation. If 'erotic' in the first statement meant the same as in the second, it would mean something like aesthetic. But if it had that meaning in both statements, the distinction between pornography and erotic photography would fade, because then not only erotic photography but also pornography would be intended to stimulate erotic, that is aesthetic feelings. Given that the OED definiton clearly intends to distinguish photography that stimulates aesthetic feelings, which is usually called erotic photography, from photography that stimulates erotic feelings, that is pornography, 'erotic' in this definition as well as in the first statement above must mean something else than aesthetic, the meaning it has in the second statement. Convinced?

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Philos
                                      1. Pornography is intended to stimulate erotic feelings.
                                      2. Erotic photography is intended to stimulate aesthetic feelings.

                                      Has 'erotic' changed its meaning between these steps?
                                      Originally posted by DEVRIES
                                      I'm inclined to say that this is indeed an example of equivocation. If 'erotic' in the first statement meant the same as in the second, it would mean something like aesthetic.
                                      That sounds like a bad example of sophism for me. Even if we suppose that the meaning contribution of "erotic" is purely compositional in both cases, you're constructing something like this:
                                      (i). Erotic photography is called erotic because it stimulates erotic feelings
                                      (ii). The feelings stimulated by erotic photography are both erotic and aesthetic (from (i) and 1.)
                                      (iii). If the feelings are both erotic and aesthetic as a matter of essential properties as in (ii), erotic and aesthetic must have the same meaning.

                                      I tend to agree with both (i) and (ii) but I would say that the meaning contribution of erotic is different in (1.) and (2.) -- erotic feelings are the OED editor's euphemism for whatever turns you on in case the fruit bowl over there doesn't make you horny, and erotic photography is a genre of photography (where "erotic" serves for the distinction among the other fellas who do landscapes, wildlife or clothing). Erotic photography is thus a sub-genre of photography which is an art and thus (hopefully) intended to simulate aesthetic feelings.

                                      In fact, something can be both erotic photography and pornography, but good porn doesn't have to be artistic to be good at being porn and good erotic photography doesn't need to be very explicit and/or raunchy. Moreover, mainstream pornography tends to neglect asthetic value (to the point of failing to stimulate erotic feelings in anybody whose mind is not totally numb) and mainstream erotic photography tends to neglect the raunchyness aspect (which in some cases doesn't hurt its pornographic value for its followers).

                                      Now take that truth-conditional-meaning ideas and put them away someplace where they don't get in the way. (Not that I'm totally against syllogisms, it's just that they're not the right tool here). Thanks.

                                      Just my $0.02,
                                      Sqrt17

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by artlover
                                        thank you Gordyboy--I've bookmarked it. I bought a few Mayfairs in the 90s and was really impressed by the models. Nina Downe--I think that was her name. Wow.

                                        Does anyone know if someone has scanned images from Oui magazine in the 70s, before it turned crappy? They had some gorgeous models from Europe.

                                        Speaking of the OED, I encountered a woman in a bookstore last night who was trying for find a good dictionary for her daughter, who asked for one for her birthday. Let me repeat that--her daughter asked for one for her birthday. In these TV-dominated times, it is cause for celebration when anyone buys a substantial dictionary. Or a dictionary. Or a book.
                                        This is what I was talking about in a previous post about the current Harry Potter. My county is really bad on reading skills. anything that promotes reading in teens is good. Whithin reason.

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                                          #21
                                          Back to the topic of period costumes and 70s era porn magazines: on the same site as the Mayfair collection, there is this shoot from one Fiesta magazine featuring a woman in victorian underwear.
                                          If only she hadn't put on the corset upside down and back side front! That hurts.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by sqrt17
                                            Back to the topic of period costumes and 70s era porn magazines
                                            Although I don't think I presuppose the construction you describe, I agree that we should not turn this thread into a lesson in logic. Somehow sex and logic don't seem to consider each other good company. Either the head is straight or ...
                                            Last edited by DEVRIES; 20 August 2005, 10:09 PM.

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                                              #23
                                              Sex and logic are only good company for Vulcans... ponn farr, anyone?

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                                                #24
                                                Here's to a girl-girl in corsets and those shoes that are funny to tie up !!

                                                Alleyes

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by alleyes1
                                                  Here's to a girl-girl in corsets and those shoes that are funny to tie up !!
                                                  Don't forget the wigs, the lorgnettes, the fans and, above all, the haughty looks.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by arsby
                                                    Okay, then, but if you start smearing the lens with vaseline I'm outa here! :P
                                                    Let me assure you that I wasn't asking for arty farty pictures taken through vaseline covered lenses from 50 metres away. Just as a theme. Like Abby says, a Deviation type shoot.

                                                    And remember it's not just corsets. I can see in my mind's eye a shoot with two or three models (can't think who) dressed as flappers from the 1920s complete with strings of pearls and cigaretts in holders (though being a non-smoker I'm no fan of smoking shots).

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by evangeline
                                                      Oooohh! That's be cool! Victorian ladies riding sidesaddle and holding a riding crop!
                                                      Would slightly go agains the natural theme of the website though...
                                                      Hey! nearly read my thoughts as I was also thinking of naked horse riding (and I'm not suggesting anything illegal).

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                                                        #28
                                                        Hey Arsby! The actually made soft-focus lenses in the past.. You'd pay EXTRA to have a lens that had another ring that controlled how soft the image got.. So click "zero" was sharp and it got progressively more fucked up from there. Nowadays you can do all of that in Photoshop. I wonder how much you could get for an old SF lens today?

                                                        I know this theme isn't to your liking, but think of it this way - period costumes mean you get Super Deluxe Dressing Room sets! You'd get to see them doff their modern gear, don the costumes, do the set, and then put their modern clothes back on.. Very "backstage," i.e Theatrical.

                                                        Heck, they don't even have to be in "period costume" - It'd be fun (for me at least) to see a model get dressed for a formal occasion, job interview, etc. Something about beautiful women in beautiful clothes..

                                                        BB

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Skenderbeg
                                                          Why not have the occassional shoot with period costumes (late 18C early 19C, 1920's, 50's etc) complete with undies of the period.
                                                          Thanks Skenderbeg, there are some cool ideas in this thread for sure. I wonder if doing these period theme 'deviations' might be an opportunity where could get a return of a some favorite AW models in something completely new.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by brownboyletamb
                                                            I know this theme isn't to your liking, but think of it this way - period costumes mean you get Super Deluxe Dressing Room sets! You'd get to see them doff their modern gear, don the costumes, do the set, and then put their modern clothes back on.. Very "backstage," i.e Theatrical.
                                                            This getting undressed then dressed again business sounds a lot like voyeurism, which idea I love. Looking in on a woman in a dressing room. I'd never think of doing it do it for real, but as a fantasy it really turns me on.

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