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mikehogg
12th September 2005, 10:48 PM
Wasn't it a great result?:) :D

mikehogg
12th September 2005, 10:59 PM
I suppose the Yanks dun't know what I'm on about:p

pjay
12th September 2005, 11:35 PM
I suppose the Yanks dun't know what I'm on about:p
And the Aussies will disagree ;)

Philos
12th September 2005, 11:52 PM
Wasn't it a great result?:) :D
Not such a great result: England had all the luck. But it was a great series. Both teams really tried hard and respected each other's efforts, which is what matters. Umpiring is a job that is beyond the capacity of human eye and brain. Ergo, let technology do it. I'd rather see the Hawkeye computer adjudicate an LBW than some poor, ill-paid bugger who has been on his feet all day, squinting into the sun and trying to concentrate. Anyone agree?

jvak
13th September 2005, 12:29 AM
This Yank guesses it has something to do with cricket, a sport he's never begun to understand. Oh well, to each their own. Here in egocentrist land the dog days of summer are drawing to a close and now it's all about the pennant races. Say, do you get to sing while watching cricket?

Katie Casey was baseball mad
She had the fever and had it bad
Just to root for the hometown crew
Every sou Katie blew
On one Saturday her young beau
Called to see if she'd like to go
To see a show,but Miss Kate said "No,
I'll tell you what you can do

Take me out to the ballgame
Take me out with the crowd
By me some peanuts and Crackerjack
I don't care if I never get back
Cause it's root, root root for the home team
If they don't win it's a shame
For it's one, two, three strikes your out
At the old ball game!"

Millie
13th September 2005, 12:34 AM
I had a bloody bet on the Aussies taking out the last game, and now I bloody well have to take someone out to dinner. In addition, last week, my AFL team lost, and I had a bet on that which says I have to cook the same person dinner. I am no longer betting on sport.

I still think Warney is a star, however, dropped catch or not.

sweatyfox
13th September 2005, 12:40 AM
Well done England. A deserved victory. I'll write more on this tomorrow but the respect and friendship between most of the players on both sides has been exemplary. Just as the Aussie players like Warne were able to admit that England overall did outplay them, Warnie also got a standing ovation from the English crowd which was almost as loud as the cheer when we lifted the trophy!

So more tomorrow when I'm more sober and not so tired but the quality of the cricket and sportmanship was excellent. I hope both teams had a few beers together, like they actually have on other nights during this summer series.

Oh and again, we're proud of you England cricket team, you have been everything that our football team (Beckham and Robinson excluded) is not at the moment.

SF

PS You're right Millie, Warne is a star and could not have done more. Perhaps he should claim British nationality. If you added him to our suddenly impressive and varied bowling line up, then whooooah!

Vid Dude
13th September 2005, 01:09 AM
You can't get much more mundane than sports talk, so I've moved the thread.

And, speaking as a Kiwi, it's about time Australia got beaten for a change.

artlover
13th September 2005, 02:11 AM
Well, I have friends in both Britain and the UK, so I will just say--wow, there was certainly a lot of passion on the field. Those guys really came to play. We can anticipate a hard-fought rematch. A real team effort. One of the best series ever. These are some kind of fans. Those guys really came to play. A real chess match. Etc. :D:D


sports talk used to be more fun. A basketball coach over here responded to catcalls for the officials by getting on the PA and saying, "Now folks, let's not criticize the officiating, no matter how bad it is." :D.

artlover
13th September 2005, 02:16 AM
Jvak, I never knew there was a first verse to "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". We've been singing half a song for decades.

Of course, the official silly sports song in the USA is "YMCA". I wonder how many people know the gay subtext of that one?

jvak
13th September 2005, 03:36 AM
I think the Village People are thorougly outed by now, but considering the enthusiasm with which many high school males (is there a group more likely to be homophobic?) sing it at basketball games, I would guess they never taken time to deconstruct the oh-so-subtle implications of "you can do whatever you feel!" :)

There is a second verse to "Take me out to the ballgame" as well, but I don't know it. Really, the first verse isn't that good anyway, and how can the writer of the song contend with Harry Carrey?

Speaking of sports talk being more fun in the past, I'm reminded of my all time favorite player, Bill Lee. He had more than a few good ones, but here's one of my favorites:

"Every time I look at a Yankess hat I see a swastika tilted just a little off kilter."

Millie
13th September 2005, 07:20 AM
Theres not nearly enough singing in cricket. Unless you count few hundred drunk Aussies chanting 'you're going home in the back of a divvy van'. Usually out of tune, but with spirit none the less.

yarnie
13th September 2005, 07:38 AM
what's happened to the streakers these days?

stoneyyy
13th September 2005, 07:40 AM
The aussies had the ashes for 18yrs, the poms will have them for 18 months

Millie
13th September 2005, 08:07 AM
Too much security, I believe. Instead, they just throw around big beach balls, which pisses off the police no end. Hehe :p

artlover
13th September 2005, 11:06 AM
'you're going home in the back of a divvy van'
Well, it's official. There's English English, American English, and Aussie English. :)

Darth Dave
13th September 2005, 12:20 PM
As much as I hate to admit it England played better for much of the series, but I take great comfort knowing that the next series is in Australia and that there is no way possible that England can hold the Ashes for 18 years. A few things really need to change in test cricket for example if its bad light put the fucking lights on.

England winning has upset a great sports year for me my footy team has an excellent chance to win the premiership, my basketball teams are doing well and Michael Schumacher and Ferrari are no longer F1 and constructors world champions.

It's a shame they had to put such harsh penalties on streakers, it's something lacking in cricket and footy these days maybe Millie can bring it back. :D
Mille bet on the Crows this week and also for the premiership, it's a guarantee. :)

Dave

matchless
13th September 2005, 12:27 PM
I suppose the Yanks dun't know what I'm on about:p
Good assumption but I've been listening to the BBC World Service a lot lately and heard the stories about this one. I tried to understand cricket once but to really get a sport you either have to play it or watch it. Being a Yank, I've done neither where cricket is concerned.

I do love underdog champions and Cinderella stories -- 18 years is a long time -- so I raise a pint to the lads from England! Jolly Good, Chaps :D

Darth Dave
13th September 2005, 12:37 PM
And, speaking as a Kiwi, it's about time Australia got beaten for a change.
Know we know how the Kiwis constantly feel. :D

liandra
13th September 2005, 01:41 PM
Mille bet on the Crows this week and also for the premiership, it's a guarantee. :)

St. Kilda already beat the crows in the preliminary finals didn't they... and pretty decisively too? I reckon it's going to be the Saints year, and the swans confidence about this weekend is misguided and soon to be dashed to the ground! Put your money on St. Kilda Millie.

liandra
13th September 2005, 01:46 PM
speaking as a kiwi, it's about time Australia got beaten for a change .


Know we know how the Kiwis constantly feel. :DThe Kiwis know all about beating Australia they did it just a couple of weeks back in the Rugby (Tri-nations).:D

stoneyyy
13th September 2005, 02:08 PM
One should also note it was a kiwi umpire that helped england win

irisheagle
13th September 2005, 02:10 PM
The aussies had the ashes for 18yrs, the poms will have them for 18 months
Hang on a minute...
The England team is young and still improving, and they will get better.
The Aussie team is over the hill.....Gillespie is finished..McGrath hasn't got much left, and you will NEVER replace Shane Warne....
You need some good bowlers and quick (excuse the pun !) to get them ready for our trip down under.
I do believe that you have to stick with Ponting as Captain, if for no other reason, that there is no natural successor.
But you have to agree it is great for cricket, to have some real opposition to battle against.
irisheagle.

stoneyyy
13th September 2005, 02:17 PM
Its about we did have some real competition we have beaten eveyone home and away.

We have plenty of great players there is enough waiting for a chance to play for aus that are as good and if not better then what are already playing

Warnie is one of a kind and we have been lucky enough to witness him in our life time, but he could teach others.

Its good for the game and will ensure good crowds at the next ashes tour in aus, as good as you feel your players are they have to still learn to play in real summer weather, none of this bad light at 2 in the afternoon and none of this cold 22c, playing in 30c plus where ground temps are 45c plus

Congrates to the poms but you have a long way to go yet.

Darth Dave
13th September 2005, 02:20 PM
Hang on a minute...
The England team is young and still improving, and they will get better.
The Aussie team is over the hill.....Gillespie is finished..McGrath hasn't got much left, and you will NEVER replace Shane Warne....
You need some good bowlers and quick (excuse the pun !) to get them ready for our trip down under.
I do believe that you have to stick with Ponting as Captain, if for no other reason, that there is no natural successor.
But you have to agree it is great for cricket, to have some real opposition to battle against.
irisheagle.
Yeah maybe Australia should get its players from South Africa as well, McGrath and Warne will still be playing test cricket in 2 years, just make sure you donít get any more scratches on our urn we will be taking it back in 2 years. One thing that the media has already picked up on is that one of the best cricket teams ever will now be remembered as the team that lost the ashes.

Dave

Darth Dave
13th September 2005, 02:28 PM
St. Kilda already beat the crows in the preliminary finals didn't they... and pretty decisively too? I reckon it's going to be the Saints year, and the swans confidence about this weekend is misguided and soon to be dashed to the ground! Put your money on St. Kilda Millie.
The Crows only lost by 8 points and they were due for a loss; they had won 10 in a row and were without our captain. St Kilda still has injury problems and for some reason Sydney always performs in finals so Iím pretty sure Sydney can win.

Dave

stoneyyy
13th September 2005, 02:38 PM
The crows have to get past the Eagles yet in the west

caveboyreturns
13th September 2005, 04:08 PM
As a euphoric Pommie I have to say, fair dos to you Aussies. You just don't know when you're bloody beaten, do you! Shane Warne was quite startling to watch, practically every single ball was a potential wicket-taker and some were just straight unbelievable, so much so I was convinced you had us by the short and curlies on the last day around lunchtime when we were something like 129-4.

Okay, we probaly did have slightly the better share of the luck. We won the toss 4 out of 5, but that doesn't count for everything as your lot proved in the first game after losing it. We also probably had the good fortune to avoid facing the awesome McGrath quite a bit through injury, but then again you didn't have to face one of our main secret weapons either, Simon Jones, in one and a half Tests. Maybe your world-class batters didn't always play right up to their true potential, but how much of that was down to England's outstanding bowling rather than your poor form?

The speed of scoring by both sides throughout the series is surely unprecedented, and I cannot remember a series like it for sportsmanship and cameraderie between two evenly matched sides.

I've been following Test cricket for half a century and remember several other amazing series, including of course the memorable 'Botham series' of 1981, but none has come anywhere near this for such extraordinary, sustained excitement, thrills and unbearable tension throughout. That says everything about the guts and determination of the Aussies; the series could so easily have gone the other way right up 'til a couple of hours before stumps on the last day.

Another point: this is the first time I can ever say I've enjoyed watching the opposition just as much as my own team. It didn't seem likely I would either early on when Simon Jones instinctively (but not malisciuosly, I don't think) struck Hayden when attempting to hit the stumps and he somewhat ungraciuosly declined the apology, but after that, the sportsmanship of players on both sides was fantastic. Brett Lee is for me now as much a hero as any English player for the spirit in which he played, and whereas before I had nothing more than a grudging respect for Warne and McGrath, I now warm to them - that is saying something, believe me.

So thanks for making it such a wonderful series fellas, and g'day.

PS- Memory of the Series: Not Andrew Strauss's exceptional diving catch in the slips to dismiss Adam Gilchrist in the Fourth Test, but the next moment immediately after it when the tv camera panned straight to a banner hoisted in the crowd asking "Did you catch that down under?"

Quality!

jimmy
14th September 2005, 10:10 AM
Well, it's official. There's English English, American English, and Aussie English. :)

Mate its much worse than that as 'divvy van' is Victorian Aussie English!! In New South Wales Aussie English the same thing would be a 'paddy wagon'. The song that Millie was repeating doesn't quite work with that one which is quite sad as 'you going home in the back of a divvy van' is quite melodic, well when sung after a couple 6 packs of piss.

yarnie
14th September 2005, 10:39 AM
Go Saints!!

Darth Dave
16th September 2005, 02:31 PM
Go Saints!!They went, right out of the Finals. :p

matchless
16th September 2005, 10:50 PM
Go Saints!!
Being a Yank, my first thought on seeing this post was American Football and the New Orleans Saints, who won their first game last week. Of course, even if most of you don't give a damn about the NFL (and I feel pretty sure that is all of you who aren't Americans, and even some who are) almost all of you have heard about what happened to the Saints' home field. The lose of the Superdome is a minor tragedy compared to the greater damage brought on by Katrina.

But I digress from the topic. Sorry, please continue ...

... and yes, Go NO Saints, but especially Go GB Packers!!! :)

yarnie
17th September 2005, 05:21 AM
They went, right out of the Finals. :p

I'm actually a collingwood supporter (sorry) but I was hoping there'd be a Melbourne team in the Grand Final. I guess Sydney is actually South Melbourne...

stoneyyy
19th September 2005, 12:51 AM
Never be sorry for being a Magpie supporter.

And if Hall gets off we will then know how much the AFL is helping Sydney

yarnie
19th September 2005, 03:20 AM
Hall has just been given two weeks!!

ashes41
28th October 2005, 01:47 PM
Fantastic result:)

matchless
16th August 2006, 01:01 PM
I know I'm not supposed to give a damn about this and to be quite honest I don't know the first thing about cricket but alleyes just started a general sports discussion thread so that got me thinking. That and the fact that a report I heard on the BBC World Service Radio mentioned that The Ashes are less than 100 days away.

So rather than have two threads devoted to this subject, I thought of digging up this old one. And by all means, if anyone has some thoughts, early predictions on the outcome or wishes to place an e-wager (not that I want to encourage betting) here is the place to do it! :)

stoneyyy
16th August 2006, 02:31 PM
Australia will wipe the floor with the poms

Darth Dave
16th August 2006, 02:42 PM
Its one thing to only just beat Australia in England but the English team will have to be at a whole new level to win a match let alone the series on Australian soil.

I would love a series as good as the last but I just donít see it happening.

waltercp3
16th August 2006, 03:49 PM
Tell me something please. WHAT IN THE H........L IS AUSSIE RULES FOOTBALL!!!! NEVER SEEN IT, BUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN TO WATCH..

walrusman
16th August 2006, 05:29 PM
The first place I heard of "The Ashes" was in the opening chapters of "Life, The Universe and Everything" by Douglas Adams. Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect appear on a sofa in the middle of the Lords Cricket Ground during the last test, having been transported from 2 million years ago. Then the Krikket Robots invade and start blowing things up. Hilarious stuff, even if I didn't get all the cricket references.

An Australian, two Indians, two Englishmen, and a Trinidadian have each explained cricket to me at various times, but I only get about 2 thirds of it. Is there a good website that explains it?

arsby
16th August 2006, 06:41 PM
Tell me something please. WHAT IN THE H........L IS AUSSIE RULES FOOTBALL!!!! NEVER SEEN IT, BUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN TO WATCH..

I've actually seen it played on TV, and I'm asking myself the same thing. :)

It's sort of like American football but they roll the football instead of hiking it, they spend most of their time running around and lateralling the football, only the goalie (goalie?) ever seems to kick the ball, and there are guys at the end zones furiously waving flags for no apparent reason.

A good time was had by all. No wonder beer sells so well there.

waltercp3
17th August 2006, 04:59 AM
Beer doesn't do bad here either. I actually looked it up and I think it has to be watched to understand. As long as the Falcons and Eagles don't play each other, I wish them luck this year. They sure paid there dues with last years circus.
Falcons, it depends on Vick's health and what they leave camp with. Should be OK for both teams.

dacooper
17th August 2006, 09:36 PM
Walrusman. I'm glad you asked ! IMHO, the best website for the game of cricket is www.cricinfo.com (http://www.cricinfo.com). However, if you want to browse the laws of the game, try www.lords.org (http://www.lords.org). There's a lot to browse..... Good luck !:)

walrusman
20th August 2006, 12:00 AM
Thanks, dacooper! I'll have a read of those.

bustlingbrian
20th August 2006, 09:59 AM
I've actually seen it played on TV, and I'm asking myself the same thing. :)

It's sort of like American football but they roll the football instead of hiking it, they spend most of their time running around and lateralling the football, only the goalie (goalie?) ever seems to kick the ball, and there are guys at the end zones furiously waving flags for no apparent reason.

A good time was had by all. No wonder beer sells so well there. haha that was amazing. i'm not sure if you were watching aussie rules or one of the rugby codes though. although neither aussie rules, rugby league or union have goalies. and in aussie rules everyone kicks the ball.

Goblues1
21st August 2006, 08:26 AM
5-nil result sounds about right.

dacooper
2nd November 2006, 10:19 PM
I'm starting a new thread as opposed to putting this in the existing 'sports thread', on the assumption that cricket may well be a complete turn-off to some people, e.g. maybe our transatlantic members and some European ones ; if I'm wrong, well, hey, they can join in here, can't they ?

At lunchtime today I was watching a Sky News journalist interviewing people on the street in Melbourne about who they thought would win the upcoming Ashes series. They were pretty damn confident that it's going to be the home side (surprise, surprise...), all except for one gentleman who said he hoped England would win before owning up to being a Kiwi (oops...!).

I have to say that last years contest in the UK has to have been one of the most absorbing sporting contests ever. The sides were so well-matched, and both displayed supreme skill in their performances. The ashes could have gone either way - of that, there is no doubt, and had Australia retained them no-one could have complained.

For me, two individuals emerged from being very good cricketers to become brilliant ones. I'm talking about Andrew Flintoff and Brett Lee. Their performances were just amazing, and if anyone can replicate that later this month in Oz, I reckon we're in for another nail-biting series.

I'd love England to keep hold of the Ashes, but may the best team win, and may the game of cricket be the ultimate victor. Any dyed-in-the-wool Aussie fan like to comment ?

rachel_t
2nd November 2006, 10:27 PM
Wasn't it a great result? :) :D

dfens75
3rd November 2006, 06:15 PM
Well as a neutral Irishman (ok, secretly i like the english to lose!) i can say that England will count themselves as being very lucky to retain the ashes - esp. since it is on aussie soil, and the aussies want revenge for losing it 2 years ago. Only thing is England's favour is that a draw over the 5 tests will see them retain the ashes too!

bustlingbrian
4th November 2006, 01:56 PM
england are unlieky to retain the ashes simply because they havent had the team that won the ashes back on the park basically since that ashes series. vaughan is injured, giles hasnt played, stresscothick has buckled to stress. theyve had something like 29 players play test matches since the ashes compared to australia 16 or 17 or something like that. england havent been able to have a consistent side, whilst ponting, hussey and lee have just gotten better.

Darth Dave
5th November 2006, 05:11 AM
england are unlieky to retain the ashes simply because they havent had the team that won the ashes back on the park basically since that ashes series. vaughan is injured, giles hasnt played, stresscothick has buckled to stress. theyve had something like 29 players play test matches since the ashes compared to australia 16 or 17 or something like that. england havent been able to have a consistent side, whilst ponting, hussey and lee have just gotten better.Well Australia had big injury problems last series and still pushed the series to the last game, beside England didnít stand a chance with a fully fit side either. ;)

Hopefully Australia can start off the summer right with a win in the Champions Trophy against the West Indies tonight.

BigMikey
19th November 2006, 08:25 PM
I guess we're going to find out this week.

Coverage starts in the UK at 23:00 on Sky Sports on Wednesday evening (09:00 or therabouts on Thursday in Brisbane, Aussieland).

I'm not holding my breath. I think England are definitely weakened, and the Aussies are on home turf and desperate to take advantage. I'd love to think that Freddie And The Dreamers could take this one, but I can't see it.

I'll nail my partisan colours to the mast and wish England the best. And here's to a thoroughly entertaining series.

Mikey

Michelle15
19th November 2006, 08:50 PM
England, England, England! England, England England! En-ger-land!
England, England, England! England, England England! EN-GER-LAND!

Da, da, da-da-da, da-da-da-da, da, da!

England, England, England! England, England England! En-ger-land!
England, England, England! England, England England! EN-GER-LAND!

Guess who I support in the ashes!!!

Vid Dude
19th November 2006, 10:29 PM
I give up. Who?

Michelle15
19th November 2006, 11:33 PM
I give up. Who?
It's Obvious - Pakistan!!!

rabbitoh
20th November 2006, 12:25 AM
haha that was amazing. i'm not sure if you were watching aussie rules or one of the rugby codes though. although neither aussie rules, rugby league or union have goalies. and in aussie rules everyone kicks the ball.

lol. I was thinking the same! It was like the postcards from uncle Matt from Fraggle Rock.

Gerza71
20th November 2006, 03:33 AM
Video dude Michelle15 is a closet Australian cricket supporter ;)

Gerza71

Darth Dave
20th November 2006, 05:11 AM
Sorry Michelle but I don't think you will be enjoying the upcoming series on the bright side the Aussies should have most games wrapped up on the third day. :D

Michelle15
20th November 2006, 09:13 PM
Video dude Michelle15 is a closet Australian cricket supporter ;)

Gerza71
:eek: Me support Aussie-land!!! :eek: That's just... so... :eek: !!!

Little me am not supporting Austalia! I mean, I am a die-hard England fan! You know England? Great at inventing games and great at become so bad at them!!! But I always support my country. So does my g/friend... I mean, she supports her country... That can cause arguments, especially when England and Russia are in direct competition for something! But, I'm louder at chanting

Da, da, da-da-da, da-da, da-da - Eng-land! Freddie Flintoff is gonna wipe the floor with the whole Aussie team!!!

sweatyfox
20th November 2006, 11:50 PM
I heard a rumour that they might have to shorten the test matches anyway as the old people's home is reluctant to let McGrath and Warney out for more than 2 days unsupervised at a time. :D

SF

Michelle15
23rd November 2006, 06:07 PM
I heard a rumour that they might have to shorten the test matches anyway as the old people's home is reluctant to let McGrath and Warney out for more than 2 days unsupervised at a time. :D

SF

Ooh! Fighting talk! You're just sore because they're more experienced. I mean, let's face it, the Autralia Cricket team is still in nappies anyway! And they swing like sheilas!!!

Ha!

Lots of love, guys!

dacooper
23rd November 2006, 10:33 PM
So why isn't anyone from the UK banging the drum now..... Oh, boy... Anyone see the first delivery of the Test ? I think we have a mountain to climb, guys.....

Michelle15
23rd November 2006, 11:53 PM
So why isn't anyone from the UK banging the drum now..... Oh, boy... Anyone see the first delivery of the Test ? I think we have a mountain to climb, guys.....

Come on, guys! The barmy army needs us! This is just to make the inevitable win by England all the more spectacular! Sing with me, boys!

sweatyfox
24th November 2006, 12:33 AM
Hang on a minute, I'm an England supporter so I'm not sure why I am receiving 'friendly fire' from one of my countrywomen? I was referring to the very fact that Australia's McGrath and Warne are getting old. (Warney is still a class act though and well respected here in England in kind of the same way that some Aussies like Flintoff).

I love the Sky TV poster up on billboards here in England with a pic of Pietersen and Warne with the words "Pros and Cons". Genius.

Anyway on to cricket and can I be controversial and say Duncan Fletcher and Freddie Flintoff, you are a pair of fucking idiots who just about handed this match to the geriatrics from Down Under before it even started. Calamity Jones as wicketkeeper is one thing. Ashley Giles instead of Monty Panesar, what a defensive move when we needed to go on the attack. You freaks! Giles's batting isn't enough if we concede loads of runs and don't take enough wickets. Flintoff as captain? We need a man with a good cricketing brain as captain, its not just good enough to have the passion and grit etc even though we need that also. With Vaughn I'm sure we would be tactically better off. In his place though I would have given it to Strauss, seeing as we managed to win those matches vs Pakistan with him in charge. Freddie is a great player but he is not yet a good captain but rather one for the future.

And Steve Harmison needs to calm down and get some control in his game, rethink his action without losing the aggression and pace. Not easy but I'm sure he can do it.

Come on England lets try and get a draw and bat decently so we have something to take into the next game when we might select the RIGHT team.

SF

BigMikey
24th November 2006, 11:03 PM
Well, it's still only the start of Day 3 (just about).

I agree that not playing Monty seems a bit silly now (when Pietersen gets spin and wickets then you have to wonder what Monty could have done). And Harmison's head is just not right. And Strauss should really be captain in Vaughn's absence, allowing Freddie to concentrate on what he does best - intimidating the hell out of the opposition.

But the Aussies' first innings was also an example in Test Cricket score building. Ponting was magnificent. And the rear guard action from Warney, Lee and the rest was also superb to watch (if a little painful from a partisan perspective). The Aussies are clearly up for this one.

I fear that England will crumble, follow-on and be humiliated in this Test. What's needed is leadership, patience and Pietersen, Bell and Flintoff to build some kind of partnership. Whether we'll see that or not is a different matter. But hey, England were humped in the First Test last year, and we all know what happened then.

Here's hoping for, at least, a contest.

Mikey

dacooper
26th November 2006, 01:51 PM
Okay - may I be the first to congratulate Australia on what will inevitably be a storming victory, thoroughly deserved. I agree with a lot of the above comments re Flintoff, Jones, Giles and Panesar. Not a lot to say about England except that we are better than this - a lot better. The second innings has shown that to an extent. But - onwards and upwards; let's see what Test 2 has to bring...

Darth Dave
5th December 2006, 06:38 AM
This test looks like it could be another close one, Australia need 168 to win from a max of 36 overs.

It’s good to know you can still count on England losing a game they should have easily won. ;)

bustlingbrian
5th December 2006, 02:45 PM
haha thanks england, love your work :D

Morpheus
5th December 2006, 03:58 PM
What a disaster! I stayed up all night listening, fascinated and unbelieving. A form of masochism. I'm coming out from London for the Melbourne and Sydney tests - but don't expect that these will now have much bearing on the Ashes any more. So disappointing!

dacooper
5th December 2006, 10:25 PM
Only one thing to say (and it pains me to say it...) : We just ain't good enough.....

Darth Dave
6th December 2006, 11:00 AM
It was so good after England tried to bore the Aussie with their slow batting it was a great end to the match it's good to know the Ashes will be back where they belong. ;)

dacooper
6th December 2006, 10:26 PM
Excuse me, DD... is your tongue by any chance stuck in your cheek ? England weren't trying to be slow - just trying not to lose wickets......

irisheagle
7th December 2006, 01:37 AM
Hang on a minute...
The England team is young and still improving, and they will get better.
The Aussie team is over the hill.....Gillespie is finished..McGrath hasn't got much left, and you will NEVER replace Shane Warne....
You need some good bowlers and quick (excuse the pun !) to get them ready for our trip down under.
I do believe that you have to stick with Ponting as Captain, if for no other reason, that there is no natural successor.
But you have to agree it is great for cricket, to have some real opposition to battle against.
irisheagle.

Did I write that ?
I have to hold my hands up....
The quote above was my own in September '05, still drunk and delusional from our Ashes victory. I also sat up all night Monday ...Why ?
Regarding my above Quote..You never will replace Shane Warne, who I believe is the greatest ever bowler to play the game. But, you were lucky the ACB took my advice regarding Ricky Ponting ?
Can England hang on to the Ashes ? ? NO !
"Freddie" Flintoff cannot do it all, and if he is not careful will end up back on the treatment table.
Thankfully, I only support England at cricket, so I am loving the Rugby right now.
C'mon Ireland ! !

bustlingbrian
8th December 2006, 12:57 AM
i dont think pontings captaincy was ever in question. he will go down as one of the greatest batsmen ever and he'll have the most runs in test cricket by the time he retired. 33 centuries he's scored now, only 2 behind tendulkar. he'll probably get at least in his career and if his average stays around 60 then that is phenomenal

othercoast
8th December 2006, 03:10 AM
Whose ashes are we playing for, anyway? I'm picturing some beloved old cricketer from the Victorian Era on his deathbed, saying to his mates, "Right, boys, now when I've gone, burn me corpse good and use what's left for a trophy."

In America, the equivalent would be various college football rivalries -- Stanford and Cal playing for the Axe, somebody (Minnesota??) and somebody else (Wisconsin??) playing for The Little Brown Jug, etc. There's probably fifty of 'em that have some meaningless thing that gets traded back and forth between the winners.

I read somewhere where some bar got to host the Stanley Cup for a night. A week later they get told it was a replica, and everyone was furious! Man, it's just a bowl on a stand, you know?

BTW, now that American kids play soccer (excuse me... football), the US team is good enough to play (and lose early) in the World Cup. If American kids started playing cricket, could the US be competitive within the 21st century? The screaming New York Times headline in 2083: "USA GETS THE ASHES!!!";)

Darth Dave
13th December 2006, 04:01 AM
BTW, now that American kids play soccer (excuse me... football), the US team is good enough to play (and lose early) in the World Cup. If American kids started playing cricket, could the US be competitive within the 21st century? The screaming New York Times headline in 2083: "USA GETS THE ASHES!!!";)The Ashes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes)is only played between Australia and England no other teams.

Darth Dave
13th December 2006, 04:03 AM
So the third test starts tomorrow and I kind if curious so any of the English supporters still have any hope of a series win or even draw to retain the Ashes.
To tell the truth I was hoping for another good close series itís been kind of disappointing so far.

nathalie
21st December 2006, 03:35 PM
Just like to add that.....AUSTRALIA WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dacooper
21st December 2006, 10:37 PM
...and thoroughly deserved to. Congratulations, Ponting & Co.....

nathalie
21st December 2006, 11:37 PM
bit sad that warne is leaving...he's an awesome bowler

chiefbrody
5th January 2007, 10:25 AM
What's all the fuss about cricket isn't exactly life or death is it ?
not like football(soccer) ;)

BigMikey
5th January 2007, 07:30 PM
Ahem.

Ah well, a 5-0 whitewash. Oh dear. England just were nowhere in this series. A couple of good sessions, and a few decent knocks from Pietersen, Collingwood and Strauss every now and then is just not good enough. Bowling, batting, fielding - all were sub-par.

Having said that, the Aussies deserve their whitewash. Strength in depth, commitment at every level and total desire to win - clearly the best team in the world and well-deserved Ashes winners.

Where all this leaves the England team, and Messrs. Fletcher and Flintoff in particular, is anyone's guess.

Real shame to see Warney, McGrath and Langer go. Warney and McGrath are pretty much the Aussie bowling backbone, and a more dependable pair you won't find anywhere. They'll be seriously missed, but it was a privilege to see them perform at the top level.

Congratulations to Australia - we'll just need to start building to 2009 now :)

Mikey

Darth Dave
6th January 2007, 07:35 AM
Well Australia beat England the last time they player in the soccer as well. :p

It will be an interesting couple of years to see how they cope without Warne and McGrath. McGrath is still around until the world cup though.

chiefbrody
24th August 2009, 08:49 AM
This appears to be a dead thread,why doesn't someone revive it ;)

flatspin
26th August 2009, 02:07 AM
This appears to be a dead thread,why doesn't someone revive it ;)Yes, I've been left wondering if AW has any English cricket supporters as members or are they really just too polite to gloat on an Australian website? ;)

Anyway, here's an Australian cricket fans point of view. Congratulations England, you were the best team when it counted. :)

Ricky "the first Australian captain in more than a century to lose two Ashes series in England" :eek: Ponting (and the selectors) should do the right thing and resign - I don't think an Australian sports team captain should be at all comfortable in defeat. :rolleyes: