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Obviously, Rubenesque is a positive term whilst plump might be seen to have negative connotations - though I don't find it so myself. As pretty much every model on the site has some member of other who finds them a work of art (as evidenced by the forums), I say go for body-positive terms wherever possible.
But newer members or people who view the site without reading the forums (could be quite a high percentage) or Diana's thread in particular whatever would see the category "Rubenesque" and have no idea what it is. I consider myself fairly well-read but hadn't heard the term 'til reading about it here. Yeah, "pudgy" would just be cruel, but how about "fuller-figured" or something a little more obvious, if it's going to be changed?
How about "Ample"? I think of full-figured as a term that might apply to slightly older women, though it's technically correct. I like Ample; Full-figured would be fine with me too. I thought Rubenesque was kinda cool, though. It's no more esoteric than something like Replete with Melanin. But still Valerie's got a point.
Here's the rule everyone should be living by: If you don't understand something, learn about it. Don't complain that it should be reduced to accomodate your own level of ignorance.
I vote for Rubenesque. Those who like it will most likely know what it means already, and the categories are described on the categories page for those that don't.
Here's the rule everyone should be living by: If you don't understand something, learn about it. Don't complain that it should be reduced to accomodate your own level of ignorance.
Don't complain that it should be reduced to accomodate your own level of ignorance.
Well, I didn't get the impression that's what Valerie was doing. But I did like Rubenesque in the first place [I think I was the first "vote" in favor].
I don't think Vid Dude was referring to anyone in particular. He was just saying that generally, if people find something they don't understand they should seek to understand it and so enlarge themselves instead of demanding that everything in the world be reduced to their personal level of comprehension. Corollary to this: we shouldn't be catering to the wilfully ignorant. Executive summary: Google it!
The flip side to this is, while we do not want to cater to the lowest common denominator, we also don't want to "price ourselves out of the market". Obviously, changing this one thing is not going to do that, but we do have a rep as being straight shooters that we don't want to ruin by becoming highbrow for the sake of it.
I think we should be a little kinder to people who ask questions. Instead of slagging them for supposed intellectual laziness, why not honor their courage in asking the question in a public forum. How does one determine "wilful ignorance", anyway. I am a pretty smart guy, and sometimes I ask for explanations of cultural references I don't understand. People on the boards have been unfailingly polite to me when they have answered. I certainly wouldn't like being called wilfuly ignorant because I did not Google it, and I doubt anyone else does. So I recommend that folks have a little more oat bran for brekkie today, eh?
As to Abby's question, I think Rubenesque is sufficiently known by consumers of porn/erotica. Personally, tho, I think of Rubenesque women as being larger than the norm for AW. The Rubenesque women I have seen in paintings have had substantial rolls of fat, rather than simply thick thighs or protruding tummies or round rear ends.
Peace to BigSpud, but hardly anyone these days knows the meaning of "distaff side".
We're always kind to people who ask questions. That's one of the many ways to learn about something, and we like people who learn new things.
The only ones we'll be slagging off in this context (and hopefully we wouldn't even do it then) are those who refuse to learn and demand we cater to them.
Valerie did not really ask a question - she offerred her opinion.
Willfully ignorant is prehaps a little harsh, but it's accurate. www.dictionary.com, google, wikipedia, make it alarmingly easy and quick to be informed, at least in a general way, so you can enter a discussion and say, "hm, dic.com says that rubenesque is really damn phat - that's a little obscure in my book" - offering a constructive opinion, rather then dragging the discussion down.
I know that Vid Dude and I are sticklers for that (ironcially, I'd venture to guess that Valierie is as well; while she's sitting 15 feet from me, I'll let her post her op here herself!).
And Art, you have a good point: Rubenesque DOES tend to mean bigger than we have here.
I know that Paul and I are sticklers for that (ironcially, I'd venture to guess that Valierie[sic] is as well; while she's sitting 15 feet from me, I'll let her post her op here herself!).
Thanks, sis. In fact, I'll prove you right: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. distaff side NOUN: The female line or maternal branch of a family.
ETYMOLOGY:From the idea that spinning is women's work. (distaff being: A staff that holds on its cleft end the unspun flax, wool, or tow from which thread is drawn in spinning by hand. )
anyway, I realise that those who post on the forums tend to be really smart cookies, and that's fantastic! I just wonder about the rest, and all those who don't speak English as a first language, etc. but then the thought came to me: wouldn't it be easier to get a reference that stems from a dude's name than from just another vocab word learned in college (for those of other tongues)? But whatever, y'all can make up your own minds, you're grown men and women and it really doesn't affect me either way.
I think Willow's comment was the strongest: those who like the larger ladies are probably going to know what the term means anyway, and the rest will have a little picture and caption to help them sort it out.
Here's the rule everyone should be living by: If you don't understand something, learn about it. Don't complain that it should be reduced to accomodate your own level of ignorance.
Perhaps we should add that to the FAQ page:
If you don't understand any term used on this site, google it and find out.
Aye for Rubenesque from me too. As a non native "english speaker" I had to google it also but hey, this is what it's all about. Maybe one day everybody talks about Rubenesque, and this all around the world, inspirited from this fine site
Time for me to chime in on this one. I see the term Rubenesque a lot in personal ads. I used to think of it as a commonly known reference but I see here that is not the case.
I also agree that Rubenesque describes a size a little larger than Abby usually has featured. So for me, plump was working just fine. I tend to think of plump as being preceded by "pleasantly" and that's positive.
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