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    Hiya

    We have the opportunity to shoot this model, Amiee. There's no doubt she's gorgeous, but she has obviously fake breasts, which is against every tenent of this site. So, what do I do? She's interested in doing LOTS of stuff, and a hardcore girl-girl shoot... but I don't know what I should do.

    Should I compromise the site's ethics, make an exception to the rule, cos she really is good? Or reject her outright? Seems a shame, but...

    Let me know what you think.

    abby

    PS: these are test shots only, not from a real shoot, of course.

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    #2
    It is a shame, but I think you should stick with the type of girl that brought most of us here and that your site's priciples are founded upon. Sorry, but Amiee's airbags are a definate turn-off.

    There are plenty more natural girls out there just waiting to be shot - let's let this young lady go.

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      #3
      What a crock.

      As long as it's made clear she's not natural, then it's a personal choice. If you don't like breast enhancements then don't download her.

      Don't spoil it for the rest of us. The rest of the package looks pretty damn good.

      Especially that face!

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        #4
        hmmmmmm
        I don't like em but I would have to agree with Urville;
        that is to say, the rest of the package is pretty darn good.

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          #5
          If you think something violates every tenent of your site (you usually defend your tenents fiercely) then you probably shouldn't publish it. You have the legitimate option of rethinking your tenents.

          If there's something about her personality or movement in front of the camera that really feels right to you then sure, you've used disclaimers for other models and I'll trust your judgement. If she's just someone who's willing to go way down the checklist then I'd rather not see her.

          Actually since this is about your branding decisions as well as your personal principles, can you say more about why you're even thinking about it? How does she fit in *your* vision of your site?

          figleaf

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            #6
            > If she's just someone who's willing to go way
            > down the checklist then I'd rather not see her.

            I agree with figleaf. Her interest in doing "lots of stuff" is irrelevant.

            It sounds as though you're trying to convince yourself against your better judgement.

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              #7
              Hi Muggins

              May sound like that, but it's not the case. And her interest in doing lots of stuff IS relevant. If she was willing to do nude only, I'd not shoot her, no question. But cos she is willing to do more, including girl-girl, which is something we really need more of, I am more inclined to shoot her... but then, she goes against the grain of the site... but then, even with her airbags, she's sure is cute... but then, she's _fake_... but she sure has nice eyes...

              Anyway. My intention is to see what ppl have to say about her here on the boards, and maybe open it up for a survey next week. Most people are not going to turn away the chance to see a chick - any chick, but especially her - naked, regardless of how she fits in with the site's manifesto; the votes in a survey will be skewed.

              But, I'll base my actions on the reasons people supply here and in the survey, along with a fair dose of personal opinion, and probably the influence of alla team members.

              a

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                #8
                Think of it as a challenge then. How do you shoot someone so the misplaced grapefruit halves aren't so glaringly obvious?

                One suggestion: How does she look from behind, smiling over her shoulder? I think they might not be so visible if she was leaning over. You wouldn't notice if she was wearing a bra, t-shirt, scarf, or if we only glimpsed them between the buttons or through the sleeve openings of a shirt or vest. You wouldn't notice if they were covered by someone else’s hands. You really wouldn't notice if you saw only her face and shoulders between someone else’s legs. You wouldn't notice if she were sixty-nining either on top or beneath (though with gravity on her side it would be less obvious when she was on top.)

                A better suggestion: Instead of downplaying it you could also push through the silicone taboo and acknowledge her surgery. For instance she could point to the scars or pantomime how they were installed and she could show how they move or don't move when touched. (Think of the set where Tia shows fingernail marks in her breasts.) In a way that would make her silicone 'official' and then you and she could do whatever you want. I hope I'm not misrepresenting you, but that would feel like a very Abby thing to do.

                figleaf

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                  #9
                  How about, (taking one of figleaf's ideas and running with it), you do it in reverse? You photograph her stripping, but leave the breast-reveal till last. Keep her top on, and then keep her bra on, while the rest of the stuff comes off as normal. Emphasise the truly beautiful parts of her - the figure, the face, the eyes, and the parts that don't really represent the site's ideals can be de-emphasised as much as you can. It'll be a challenge as a photographer in several ways, too.

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                    #10
                    Let's look at this from another point of view.
                    I mean, are "enhanced" breasts any more "unnatural" than a shaved pussy or pierced nipples/clit/navel?
                    I guess if you're a breast man who pays lots of attention to the breasts, the enhanced breasts are pretty bad.
                    On the other hand, if you look at the whole woman, the breasts are just one part of many.
                    The rest of this woman looks about as natural as you can get.
                    In other words, instead of hiding 'em, put 'em into perspective.

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                      #11
                      Arsby, I guess your and my idea of enhancement must be a hemisphere apart! FWIW she also bakes in a solarium, has laser hair removal and likes makeup - not an Abbybabe by any measure. But she _is_ cute and fun and would probably do a hot g-g shoot. I like Videodood's idea - except never reveal them at all?

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                        #12
                        I'd definitely shoot her, as she is very cute. I think that the point of your tenets is that you're not shooting her just because she has big, fake boobs. And you can (as others have suggested) focus on her other attributes. In any event (for any model), I like the idea of shots with tops still on ... perhaps with no panties and a short skirt, peeking up to see she has no undies on. Or maybe some shots with her nude from behind, with her cute ass (from these shots it looks like it is) and her face turned back to the camera. Go for it, as a challenge, and see if you can make it work.

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                          #13
                          Personally, I'd pass on shooting her. If you're set on shooting her, use her in GG or GGG, not a solo shoot. Yes she is pretty, but not what AW is about.

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                            #14
                            She's really attractive and its a shame she had to mess with mother nature gave her for whatever reasons she came up with to have the work done. My 2 cents are to pass on continuing any work with her. Once you make one exception to the rules, even one...its alot easier to make the second, and third and so on. I joined the site to see the natural, everyday woman...not all the over-painted, over-tanned and body-modded women you see on all the large porn websites. Its just not what turns me on.

                            If you do decide to do a shoot, on the day you post her set...why not just, on that same day, post a set of another "natural" model or a continuation of a already established aw.com model's set to satisfy those of us not interested in her.

                            make any sense?
                            -blackgoat

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                              #15
                              I would say pass. I joined this site to see natural, everyday type gals. The appeal of this site for me is precisely that it DOESN'T include women who've had "breast augmentations" or who wear a ton of make-up or who are trying hard to be anything other than their regular everyday selves.

                              As for the argument of "don't download it if you don't like it", I say: don't look to Abby Winters if you really want to see models with fake boobs and whatnot. Instead, join any number of the thousands of other sites out there who offer that as the "standard" of what a beautiful woman is supposed to look like.

                              Abby, this place is a haven of the quirky, unique, natural and just plain cute. In my book that = sexy & appealing. I know not everyone agrees and many on this site may find this girl attractive and want to see more, but as soon as you start comprimising the ethics of the site (as you aptly put it) then it does become easier and easier to comprimise further down the road. My request is that you decline the opportunity in this case, stick to the ethos you established from the beginning, and trust that plenty more opportunities to work with good-looking "Abby"-type models will come along in the future.

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                                #16
                                Hey, we're having a real discussion here.

                                Retsbew2 said: "Abby, this place is a haven of the quirky, unique, natural and just plain cute. In my book that = sexy & appealing."

                                For Abby I say I think you can get away with this if you can bring out the "quirky" part in it, in other words if you make an 'Abby' series with Amiee. Otherwise it's a risk and it's pretty clear people aren't very interested.

                                For everyone else, how do you respond to Abby's point that we'd like to see more hardcore and/or girl-girl stuff and it's harder to find models willing to go that way?

                                (My vote is I'd rather see pictures of more cute women just goofing around in a park or a washing machine if nobody's showing up willing to do more. Better that than trying to force it with not-pro-but-more-than-amateurs who are maybe going to have a hard time laying off the ham in the girl-girl scenes anyway.)

                                figleaf

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                                  #17
                                  Fake breasts are a COMPLETE turn-off for me. Frankly, I believe fake breasts are pretty much a US phenomenon, because it seems that for many of our American friends quantity matters more than that the stuff is REAL.

                                  The girl is cute, no doubt. I CAN'T understand why she ruined her body by getting this robot-like plastic boobs. She would be more beautiful WITHOUT breasts than with this plastic shit. Awful. What a shame.

                                  Don't compromise your style JUST because a girl is willing to do MORE (again: QUALITY instead of QUANTITY, but you guys know that). They're enough sites out there where the girls do EVERYTHING (including doing it with dogs), but if you look for good quality stuff, there's not much competition. That's why we've signed up to AW.

                                  So, PLEEEAAASE, no plastic boobs. I don't buy myself a plastic doll to get laid either ;-).

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                                    #18
                                    I subscribe to only one pay site..... this one. The natural models are the reason. Modified "Playboy" types can be found for free just about anywhere on the net.

                                    I think that if surgically-enhanced models are allowed, they should be placed in the "B" section, whatever it's actual name winds up being. "Nice, but not quite Abby Winters Quality" sounds to me like a good description of plastic breasts, as well as of slightly-larger or slightly-older women, not-quite-perfect smiles, etc etc etc

                                    I suppose girl-girl and "B section" might be mutually exclusive, tho. Would there be "B" GG stuff?

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                                      #19
                                      hey Lime, welcome to the boards!

                                      Good idea about putting her in the B section if we shoot her, I had thought of that myself, but wanted to see if anyone else came up with it.

                                      Not sure on the GG in the B section... I have one shoot that is borderline.

                                      a

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                                        #20
                                        Why not include some GG in the "B" section if that is where they fit in? Since the section isn't up and running, there aren't any right and left limits yet, so go for it. "B" section is for those girls who aren't quite AW's "A" team.

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                                          #21
                                          I really like Videodude's idea of shooting her "in reverse". She does have a great face and body, nice smile. I bet she looks fantastic clothed where the unnatural contours are not so obvious.

                                          Would be too intimidating / personal to ask her to come on the boards and talk about her decision to get the enhancements? My first thought was "she must be a stripper" but that is a prejudiced view.

                                          I think the B section is the best compromise.

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                                            #22
                                            Artful made an interesting point: I'd also like to know what on earth motivates a girl as cute as her to get this disgusting plastic boobs. Is it her men telling her "your boobs are too small", is it her seeing massive atomic breasts in porn videos and in strip bars and thinking she has to compete or is is her trying to get into the adult business (porn or as a dancer) and certain people telling her "if you measurements aren't at least XYZ, don't even bother showing up here".

                                            In any case, it's a shame, and more men gotta start telling their girls "I like you with the boobs you have. Don't mess them up".

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                                              #23
                                              No. Just another pumped up, shaven model. Your current slection seems to go about as far as your laws apparently allow so why bother?

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                                                #24
                                                This is the only pay site that I subscribe to, it was solely for the reason that your girls are natural, unenhanced and the sort of girl that looks like "the girl next door". I think that natural breasts are the best on the planet, and so far thats what I've been most impressed with on this site, your photography is excellent, and shows the girls exactly as they are. Please don't go and spoil it with the artificial stuff that seems to becoming so popular everywhere else on the net. Your girls are gorgeous, please stay with the principals that have made this site what it is.

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                                                  #25
                                                  I'm yet another one who subscribes only to this site, and the only reason I do is because of the nature of the models up to this point. The reality and the naturalness of the models is a real treasure, and should not be compromised just because the model is willing to do more to compensate.

                                                  Some of the fetishes on this site aren't my thing, but I ignore what I don't like. However, fake breasts are not only the worst turnoff--a homely girl with real ones beats a beauty with fake ones every time--but they will, as others have said, spoil the site's reason for existing.

                                                  You have built a really good thing with this site: it has an actual personality and character. Please don't start down the road of joining the herd for expediency of any sort.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Abby - There are plenty of guys whose sole criteria for a woman is "she's willing".

                                                    Don't be a guy. Maintain your standards.

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                                                      #27
                                                      Jeez you're finicky, Jay1.

                                                      My criterion is "she's breathing".

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                                                        #28
                                                        Guys, check out the thread "vids instead of pics - good or bad" (http://www.abbywinters.com/discus/me...tml?1019171974)

                                                        It ads a different slant on this argument, I think.

                                                        Also, Jay1. Are you "a guy" as stated in your message. If so, do you have any standards. Oh, by your statement obviously not.

                                                        Posting girls with fake breasts doesn't say "these are better". If anything, it gives a comparison to show how good the real thing is.

                                                        I'll say it again. Post her, and let our mouse buttons do the talking.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Abby, I think you should stick to your standard.
                                                          I come here for the natural girls.

                                                          I live in the US, and while some models, even with fake breasts or other changes do look great, I can get that at almost every other site.

                                                          Your site stands out by using natural everyday girls. Some are great, some are not.
                                                          Each of us has different tastes. It's tough to please everyone.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Abby,

                                                            As I look at the picture, I see an everyday girl. (hey its a modern world, they Do do this sort of thing to themselves, even the girl next door!) And I really like her smile and demeanor.

                                                            Put her in the "B" section if you want to keep the main area pure, but I'd argue that she meets with the other standards you've set, even if she missed on one. img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

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