Some of you guys say you prefer the 'softer' series, not too explicit. Other guys would like to see the models go further. I'm curious - are you looking for more naturally explicit poses, like say this one of emma, or do you want her to peel back the covers and show her bits in all their medical glory like this? The question for the softcore fans is, are you put off in the latter pic by the fact that she's demonstrating? Does this bother you hardcore guys or do you just want as much detail as possible, any way you get it? And for the softcore guys, would you be less put off by pink bits if they were incidental to the shoot, i.e. not obviously deliberate? Would you prefer if the closeups and pink focus shots were in a separate series?
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For me, I think, it's what is "natural". A woman pulling herself wide open for the camera isn't something that I've really encountered outside of porn - "hey, want to see my uterus?" I dunno - just doesn't seem right. And though I don't want to get into a philosophical thread about the beauty of a pussy, I have to say that I like first few inches of it better than the next few. This is about my limit - right here.
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In this image her pussy is open, but it's open because she's playing. That's great! But the image that you posted of Emma pulled wide does nothing for me. The other was wonderful. But hey, it's a matter of taste, like everything else.
I like the idea of spreads being incidental to the shoot. For me - the more natural, the better.
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I have to agree with SlipJig's comments. Gynecological shots aren't that appealing to me. Too porn flick like.img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/sad.gif Natural is definitely better.
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I like the gynecological shots.
So far, all three of the ones used as demonstrations in this thread appeal to me.
I'm just fascinated by the female anatomy, and that's that.
Indeed, I don't really care if the model shows me her genitalia by demonstration or incidentally, I like it and I appreciate it.
In fact my favorite type of picture is a cross between the two that Elvaar used as examples; she smiles at me as she spreads open her pussy, like this.
I guess you can say it's sort of unnatural, but to me it's very appealing.
I mean, a smile and a pussy, can it get any better than that?
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Yep - it's just a matter of preference.
Since my esteemed Arsby enjoys them (and I'm sure others do, as well), I say we leave the gyno shots in. People can always delete them or not download them. I wouldn't want my cherished pee shots to be omitted.
SlipJig
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Funny you should bring this up. Pry-aparts are generally about as sexy as, umm, peeing and wiping -- in other words not at all.
Closeups, on the other hand, are quite pretty. The comparison I always come back to is someone's mouth.
If a smile is sexy
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It doesn't follow that a bigger smile is sexier
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The confusion comes because genuinely aroused women pout open without having to pry themselves. If they're prying they could still be aroused but it's going to look a little fake. Going back to the example of someone's mouth.
If parted lips are sexy
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It doesn't follow that holding your lips open is sexier
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That's all a big way to say I *love* closeup images of naughty bits but I'd rather they looked, well, normal! I'll give some examples from models in AW.com in a bit.
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By the way, I got all the images by searching AltaVista's image library. I don't know any of them and they didn't agree to be depicted here. Hope that's a sufficient disclaimer.
figleaf
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Well, go a step further and say that while a flower is beautiful, a closeup of the veins in the blossom is not.
We're not talking disfigured mouths or teeth and gums here, Figleaf. We're talking pussy! And to some of us, it is friggin exciting to see, if not fascinating. True, all pussy all the time might get a tad tedious, but pop in a few and it keeps me happy. (Hee hee, read that any way you want.)
Slipjig, I truly appreciate the fact that you are allowing Abby to retain the gyno shots for me and other perverts like me.
And Figleaf, why are you posting images of my Cousin Elmer without his permission? <:-)
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I'm gonna agree with Arsby on this one. A woman's pussy is fascinating, I wanna be right inside it (literally! ) and see as much as possible. So what if someone doesn't like the extreme close ups, then just don't click on the thumbnail!! If a model wishes to show us more then let us have I say img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif
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I agree with Ardsfc in that I want to be in!
It's fun to see the differences. The latest updated today which inluded a ton of new pictures of the beautiful Lex, spreading her pussy wide for the camera. [yawn] I loved Lex's photos right up until this new set. But hey - I can delete 'em!
I say leave it all in and let us decide what to download. I want everyone to have all the porn that makes them happy! Sheesh - I feel like singing! nawww.
SlipJig
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"We're not talking disfigured mouths or teeth and gums here, Figleaf. We're talking pussy!"
The point is that none of the images above is of a disfigured person, just distorted. It's not fun or interesting to see them because they're taking ordinary attractive body parts and hooking into them to show us "more pink."
And don't think I don't want closeups! I just want *natural* closeups! I think Maria's little clitoris looks great! You see quite a lot of anatomy in that little sequence but it's normal sort of behavior. Back to my comparison with mouths that's sweet talking, maybe french kissing. On the other hand Lex, who I'm really starting to like, might be trying to show us her tonsils but it's not recognizable behavior outside of a (fairly clumsy) medical exam. It's really neither erotic nor attractive because it's something she'd never do for a lover. If nothing else, when you gape yourself you're pulling all the bits with nerve endings out of the way! There's lots to see but nothing much she'd want you to touch.
I was housecleaning my hard drives the other day and I must have deleted the files I was looking for. Anyway someone, I thought it was Maria but evidently not, has a lovely sequence where she's laying back, legs relaxed, hands free, and her lips are parted, her vagina's open, her clitoris is peeking out, the camera's so close everything looks life size on my screen... and it's all so lovely you want to kiss her. Because it's real, not all pried open.
Oh well. I can't find it. When I do I'll post it.
Anyway, the bottom line is if I can see lots of the rest of the model in other shots then I love the close ups. I love the explicitness. But just like I don't like fake boobs, I don't like fake gaping. Call it a fetish for naturalism.
figleaf
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I don't come here for the close-up clit shots, but I have grown to like them. What I do object to is a page of them, or even more than about five in a row. When the day's entry is more or less just clit shots, even if there's a finger involved or they are shots that shows the model's face, I'm disappointed. There is just not enough variation for me.
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I have to agree with Johnseas. Today's Lex files #271-#293, 22 consecutive sequential frames, seem to tell the story of a single finger stroke. That's about 2 seconds of video. After I go through them, I'll probably delete 20 of those to get two keepers. When it comes to pussy close-ups, seeing the difference from frame-to-frame of a tiny bit of movement isn't nearly as interesting as it is with a face, where a few millimeters of eyelid flutter, or the curl of a smile make tons of difference.
But I can't complain. There are times when I WANT to see a tight frame sequence - it depends on what the model is doing. It just so happens that my personal preference isn't focused (excuse the pun) on close-up solo pussy shots.
SlipJig
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Well, you can't get any more explicit than this photo of lex269. As the French general said of the Charge of the Light Brigade, "Magnificent, yes, but it is not war." And to paraphrase, "Magnificent, yes, but it is not erotic." (A few pics later she unhooks her fingers and lightly strokes her closed lips with one finger -- very nice.)
Meanwhile, you can scarcely get any more explicit than this photo of kylie109 but since she's not yanking herself beyond recognition it's very stirring.
Remember, it's not how close you get, it's how convincingly erotic you get.
figleaf
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Ok, I finally found the naturally "explicit" images I was talking about a couple of posts ago.
Ok, so get this! You *can't* get more explicit than stacy340 but since Stacy had just been using a dildo and not a crowbar, you can see everything (including her peehole, Arsby) and it doesn't look forced or contrived. It looks lovely.
Glad I found that one. The whole dildo set looks lovely.
Now, last thing. All this has sort of been equating "explicitness" with "extreme, diembodied closeups." As if the pose were any less explicit simply because Abby stepped back three feet show the entire model in exactly the same pose.
I gotta tell you that given a choice I really rather look at all of Stacy, including her explicitly lovely naughty bits, as we do in Stacy252, Stacy237, and stacy240 than just her naughty bits.
When we get into the range of 5-10 megapixel cameras we can have both. Abby can shoot the whole model and we'll be able to zoom and pan to our hearts delight.
So what do you think?
figleaf
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I like Elvaar's idea about the 3D Molecular Assembler. Can't get any more true-to-life than that. Can you do *taste* molecules, Elvaar?
TFL's contention that those huge pics will enable us to zoom in and pan about as we wish makes a good arguement *in favor* of sequences of many clit shots, like the long Lex sequence that Slipjig mentioned.
Huge 300K pix (think michelle/ginny in terms of size) enable us to pan around up, down, and diagonally.
Abby's long sequences enable us to pan around through time.
A combination gives us maneuverability through space and time! Imagine!
Sci-Frickin'-Fi!
So in the same sequence -
Slipjig can hone in on the model's face by panning about, and then hone in on just the perfect facial expression by panning through the sequence;
Ardsfc can hone in on that magnificent pussy, and find the maximum spread (hee hee) by panning through the sequence;
TFL can hone in on the *most natural* spread.
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Eroticness and explicitness is obviously a question of personal taste. I think Abby does a pretty good job of getting the balance right. Of course we also have to take into account that many of models might not like the idea of pulling their labia apart so we can see inside!
Figleaf's examples of Stacy (above) are wonderful (although I would prefer if if she had some pubic hair - but that's another topic). These to me are great examples of natural eroticness and what you would see with your girlfriend. I also like the pics like stacy340 because I find it interesting to compare womens genitalia (is that perverted?).
When it comes to explicit I think including a few (5-10) of extreme closeups showing clitoris, "peehole", vagina and anus is great too.
In conclusion I think Abby gets it right - afterall if you don't like the pictures you don't have to keep them do you?
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Torch!
I love to compare women's genitals, too.
I have a collection of something like 55 pics of 55 different models in my "AW Clitoral Hood" collection. Put 'em through a slideshow!
Gives a whole new meaning to "Vive la Différence".
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Hey Susie,
You've been in shoots yourself, some of your friends have been in shoots, I think you're still the first person to meet prospective models, and you at least used to be their escort / advocate on the set.
What's *your* take on the explicitness / gaper thing? How do the models deal with it? And outside of porn or maybe the doctor's office have you or anyone you know ever done that sort of crowbar thing with your fingers if you weren't trying to put ointment on a papercut or something?
I mean, asking us for *our* preferences is only half the equation.
figleaf
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I love open pussy shots be they natural or manuel but i like to see the whole model not just the pussy.
As an amateur photographer myself this is also the type of photo i prefer to take.
But i only like it if the model is comfortable with the pose forcing a model to pose out of charecter does not get a good picture.
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It's different with every model. Some girls, when asked what types of posing they want to do, are like "Nude ONLY!" Other girls are like "Oh, whatever". I have been doing this for ages, and I still cannot judge whether a prospective model will do explicit stuff or not!
Other times, models say that they don't want to do explicit stuff, but then they just get used to the idea of being naked in front of a camera, and they ask us if they can!
Personally, (and I should know people-I've got one!) I don't think the inside of a vagina is at all attractive! It's kinda gross seeing it all the time, don't ya think?
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Susie, you're the right person for the job!
It's not really a matter of being gross, any more than someone's tongue is gross. But it's like, I don't know, what if every portrait session was just a prelude to sticking your tongue out as far as you can? And what if people groused that the portraits weren't "serious" if they didn't end up with extreme closeups.
Come to think of it, in a lot of mainstream porn the models simulate horniness by hanging out their tongues and it looks, well, phoney.
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I also think Susie's the right one for the job, but that has nothing to do with her thoughts and feelings about how vaginas look.
Some of us find the look (and feel) of vaginas to be just fascinating, not to mention wonderfully erotic. Inside, outside, from the front, from the rear. Oiled up or dry as a bone. In quiet repose, gently spread open, gaping wide. All alone, or tickled by toys.
You're right, not all the time, and I like the context of knowing what the rest of the model looks like, but if half of each shoot was a detailed study of the vagina, I wouldn't complain, oh no.
Here in the states we have a commercial for a beer called Miller Lite. Tastes like cat piss. The ads feature washed-up athletes arguing with one another, one group shouting "Great Taste", the other half shouting "Less Filling". Of course, they finally agree that it's both.
Here at AW we should have an ad where half of the members are shouting "Juicy Closeups!", and the other half shouting "Natural Beauty!" Of course, we finally agree that it's both.
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Arsby! I've had Miller Lite, and you're right-it tastes like piss! But (full strength) Millers are great beers! Mmmm...
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Notice how quiet I'm being about all of this.
Make no assumptions.
I hear Ghandi drank his own urine, and had *very* bad breath because of it.
He also had very bad feet from all of the pilgrimages he made.
And his health was very fragile because of frequent fasting.
He was a super calloused fragile mystic plagued by halitosis.
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Pee drinking? You know, like all fetishes, one's repulsion for a particular activity is never "hardcoded" into the psyche and this is what I find most interesting about pornography and the apparent plethora of "bottoms" to which it never fails to gravitate. The key for me seems to lie in how well the image of any practice shows its desirability, perhaps even allure. The first images I saw of a woman peeing completely turned me off -- not surprising, since such pictures must inevitably first invoke basic psychological taboos: "why would I want to watch anyone taking a piss?" Yech! Yet as more images of women "caught in the act" began to proliferate on the Web, a higher quality of staged shots of women really showing the fun of pissing for the camera began to catch my eye -- much in the same way that a group of girls having fun drinking beer might stimulate my desire for the exact same brand they seem to be enjoying. This is advertising 101, no?
Similarly, a few shots of two women completely enraptured by the taste of each other's piss accomplished the same erasure of any previous taboos. Before I knew it, I found myself wanting to taste a woman peeing on me. The first drip was HORRIBLE! Taste buds do have some say in the matter. But after a few seconds, I found it just as erotic as I imagined it might be from the pictures. My girl friend at the time was obviously open-minded and just laughed as she poured away, further relaxing my psyche. Believe me, it is an acquired taste -- but then, everything is! The erotics of piss is all about the fun of piss, like every other form of erotic display. Show enjoyment and you could tempt anyone to try anything: even bad beer!
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Far be it for me to be critical of someone else's kink - I hope I didn't come off that way. I don't find pee drinking repulsive, I just don't personally get the attraction. That doesn't mean that I don't think it's okay for those that enjoy it, just 'cause it isn't for me. Similarly, I meet women who swallow and those who don't. It's a matter of personal preference.
Abby, see what a delightfully diverse audience you have? Try everything!
SlipJig
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