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    How's life as a pornographer?

    First I would like to thank you for bringing us this site. From all the girlie sites i have seen, I like yours most. It’s the freshness and natural look of the girls combined with the explicetness. Just love to see those real wet pussies (:
    It’s great to see how open you are about the different sides of your business. Very interesting.
    Like many of us, I have wondered what life as a nude model photographer or pornographer would be. Something you never hear or read about is how the photo/videographers deal with the sexual nature of their business.
    I guess you need a certain amount of sexual energy (hornyness if you like) to make a photoshoot succesfull. I mean: if you are bored, not sexually interested, I guess this will show in the pictures and eventually in the website. And this is exactly why so many websites fail in my opinion: too much factory work, and not enough real, human sexual energy showing.
    But how is it having to work with this on a daily basis. Doesn’t it become tiresome to walk around horny so often? Or does the effect wear out? And if so, is this a good thing or do you regret this?
    Hope you are willing to shed some light on this for us.

    #2
    Hi Eric.

    How many mechanics do you know who spend their weekends tinkering with cars? How about plumbers whose drains all work? What about hi-fi salesmen who get excited by some new digital format? Infer what you like from that. Well I wouldn't go so far as to say it wrecks your sex life but it does change your perspective. Different things become erotic, and seeing nekkid girls masturbating ceases to be one of those things.

    One of the first shoots I worked on involved two gorgy girls getting it on with the help of a nasty big double-ended dildo. A few weeks prior, I would've erupted at the idea - but by the time we were ten minutes into it I was getting distracted by one of the models' sister who was sitting on the floor in a short skirt I could *nearly* see up, which I found way sexier.

    The concensus among pornogrpahers I've discussed it with is that the anticipation always outstrips the shoot. No matter how stokingly gorgeous a girl is, no matter how sexy and mysterious, she's (almost) always more appealing before she takes her clothes off. This doesn't mean you get jaded - the opposite really, that you continuously refine your perception of what's truly erotic, and it's this which, hopefully, makes each shoot better than the last. Maybe it's like viniculture, always searching for the elusive perfect vintage, except it giggles and never turns up on time.

    The other side is the agony of seeing 'perfect' models in the street nearly every day, and not having the opportunity to photograph them. Have you heard the expression "the only thing worse than yearning for something is _getting_ it?" That about sums it up I think, for me, anyway.

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      #3
      Right on, Elvaar.

      I've been blessed with a long and fruitful sex life, laced here and there with some pretty outrageous stuff. (what's that joke?..."erotic is using a feather during sex, but kinky is using the whole damned chicken..")

      I go to strip clubs fairly often (I travel for business frequently) and see beautiful women pretty much turn themselves inside out on stage inches from my face. When a woman comes out on stage and strips naked in a single minute, there isn't any of that nice, sexual tension that a slower strip can create. I mean, she can be great looking, and do all sorts of sexy stuff, but the anticipation isn't there...

      It's what you can *almost* see and touch that is the biggest turn-on. I just about break my neck sometimes trying to get a flash of creamy thighs and white panties up a short skirt. Yummy. That doesn't mean that I don't want to see what's under a girl's clothes, but there's that prelude to seeing everything that is very erotic. By the time she does actually expose her naughty bits, I'm ready to lose my mind.

      img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/messages/5/674.jpg

      Oy - SlipJig

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        #4
        Hiya Eric

        Well, I gotta say, it's a little different for me, compared to Elvaar (and I'd like to hear Susie's take on this too, actually).

        I used to get turned on a bit in shoots (tho it always depends on the model), but very rarely any more. These days, I am much more concerned about how many people will bitch that I missed an opportunity to capture a shot so the lower quadrant of the left nipple was pushed by the bra in just such a way as to remind a customer of a fling he had 30 years ago in high school.

        Or, more often, the lighting, the lunch breaks that are due to the crew, the dozens of answered emails I always seem to have, if I remembered to pay the liability insurance by the due date, if the camera is set to the right ISO, that I remembered to back up the correct data last week, that employees feel they are being paid fairly, that the contracts are worded in a way as to protect the model AND us, and so on.

        Ie, far to busy with other things to get turned on. And, in a way, I think that's good. Although it may not be PC to say it, the less turned on I am, the better the pics will turn out, cos I will focus on capturing good images of a gorgeous model, not sating my own needs by using the telephoto lens to zoom in and see what she had for breakfast.

        I don't want to sound arrogant, but I have very definite (note: not "right"!) ideas on what sells, what is sexy (that is to say, what most members of aw.com find sexy, not to be confused with what most _people_ in general find sexy), and how to make it all happen. I think photography is a craft, not an art (big difference), and I treat it like that, very much. That's at odds with a lot of other shooters, but I tend to think if they were more honest with themselves, they'd agree that it's not so much their effort that makes a shoot sexy, as the model. The photographer just has to turnup, and know some basic technical stuff, and after that, a shoot working or not is in the hands of the model.

        I gotta say, tho, as Elvaar mentioned, seeing a model clothed when she comes in for her shoot is more of thrill than seeing her naked. A weird paradox!

        a

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          #5
          Hiya Eric,

          Yeah, I'm with Abby. I am definatley more worried about my lunch break and whether I've gotten paid to have time to get turned on during shoots! Chasing after Abby all day long is hard enough, let alone being distracted by cute girls.

          I agree also that no matter how much time, effort and hard work we put into a shoot-if a model isn't putting in the same amount of effort the shoot is never gonna be great. You can't force a model to look happy/tired/sexy/relaxed if they aren't (TRUST ME!).Sure, you get the natural stunners like Petra and Nadia, but they don't always come like that-and even less come with a "looks and brain" package.

          You mentioned that there has to be "human sexual energy". I don't think I've ever been turned on while at a shoot (ok...maybe Petra...), and even if there was that energy or tension, the model would most certainly freak out-she feels completely vulnerable in the situation. We leave the "energy" up to them!!

          So sorry that we aren't all ready to jump each other after a shoot with a good model-you just get sick of looking at vaginas ALL DAY!! Most of the time we never want to see another vagina again! (except maybe Elvaar...)

          Keep posting! Love susie

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            #6
            Gee, thank you all for your honest replies!
            Interesting to see how people differ on this subject, probably illustrating the complexity of it.
            I have not been totally honest, as I have some experience myself with work in the Adult Internet business and was a bit disappointed with what it did to me. That’s why I was interested in your experience. To me it was bringing things that turned me on into reality and it was great I could also earn some money with it. But at a certain moment I lost my original motivation and it became too much just work. And than I decided it might be better to just stay a porn consumer instead of a porn producer (:
            I guess this comes to what Abby called the difference between a craft and an art. If you are a real artist, you can put all your creativity into something, no matter if you earn money with it or not. When the money thing starts to dominate, I guess it becomes a craft.
            Nothing wrong with this, you can still deliver a quality product, but I do believe that if you really want to strive to maximum creativity, giving lots of personal satisfaction, getting closer to the artist in yourself will help.
            And I see the point Elvaar made about anticipation: planning a shoot with models, locations, poses etc. can be the creative process here, while the shoot itself is just work.
            To Susie: I understand that being so horny that you want to ‘jump each other’ doesn’t work. But a certain amount of hornyness is something that certainly motivates me. Sexual energy might be the strongest life force we possess, and it can be directed into other things like work (I once read this theory that workaholics are people who just redirect their sexual energy into work).
            And BTW Susie: you are one of my favorites, blessed with a feminine body and a beautiful pussy, and although being at the shoot doesn’t turn you on, I hope to see many more shoots with you as subject being turned on! img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/smile.gif

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              #7
              Hey Susie, I think you're forgetting Nikki? And thanks for the vote of confidence in my healthy libido. SOMEONE has to keep their end up.

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                #8
                Tsk tsk Elvaar, no need to worry about libido over here-doing just fine and dandy thanks!! (and I keep MORE than MY end up...)
                Oh yeah, Nikki too. That didn't count, I was IN the shoot-not watching!

                Eric, thanks for the kind words, but I've actually "retired"! I don't do shoots anymore. Sorry!

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                  #9
                  I've got a bit of a different look at it too. For the past year I've not been present at any of the shoots, being in the remote location of my own house to update the site, and busy with my real job. (Which is ending soon, BTW, so I can work fulltime on abbywinters.com)

                  I see the end results of the pics and video, without
                  a) getting to know the models (which can influence a shoot's atmosphere)
                  b) seeing all the behind the scenes stuff (which tends to be the least erotic thing you can imagine)
                  c) having to concentrate on the act of capturing the images (which is mentally exhausting, and very distracting)

                  So I see the final results, much like you guys out there - HOWEVER - I am still fully aware of all of the above I just mentioned. I look at Abby's pics and can see where the lights are, how vivid the colours are, what clothes they're wearing.

                  Yes, I can see how pretty the models are, for sure (and my tastes differ from Abby's - when she says "Ain't she great??" I often reply "Eh. Sorta. I liked yesterday's model better") but I don't concentrate on that - I'm seeing the art, the craft, the potential reaction from you guys out there.

                  Not very erotic at all.

                  Oh, and if you could hear the crap that I cut out when everyone talks on the videos, you'd be bored shitless.

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                    #10
                    Vidman,

                    I didn't know it was Elvaar shooting all the video - I thought it was both of you! I feel badly that I haven't been nice enough to Elvaar. Damn shame.

                    You're doing a great job editing - and I know that some of the video that I've seen was shot by you. You say it's been a year since you were on a shoot - what is the lag time between a shoot and the posting?

                    Curiously,

                    SlipJig

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                      #11
                      The lag time varies. Usually there's at least two months, sometimes three, before the video gets posted after the shoot. The rule is I have to wait until the pics are posted before I can put up the video, and Abby chooses which pics get done using her own system, so it can vary quite widely.

                      Also not every model has video available, sometimes because they ask not to, but usually it's just circumstance. So that means I have limited choices on which video goes online.

                      Coming soon is video of Cass, which is going to be interesting. It's quite unique. Abby's been waiting a long time for this particular video to go live, and as her pics haven't been posted yet, that's her own fault img tag disable, use attachment mgr/system to add images to postshttp://www.abbywinters.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif But the good news is she's coming up verrrry soon, so her vid will be online in a couple of weeks.

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                        #12
                        Cass is my most favourite model of all time!! She's sooooooooo nice! And talented...

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                          #13
                          Well, hell, if she's okay with you and Susie, she's okay with me!

                          And now you have my interest up - "It's quite unique"... Hmmm.

                          I would think that girls get paid more to do video, no? I can't imagine why the wouldn't want to - it's not like the photos miss anything. What difference does it make if there's a video camera or a still camera zoomed up your crotch? I don't get it.

                          Susie - what do you think about it??

                          SlipJig

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                            #14
                            Video has a stigma. It's more real. That's why I like it, but it's also why some models don't. They feel it's more invasive because it shows the real them, moving, which can be an uncomfortable thing to think about.

                            It's just like if you were at a party and people were taking pics, you might pull a silly face when the snapshots are being taken, but might hide behind the shoulder of your friend when the video camera is around.

                            Many people are like that. Makes little sense, but then, how often does pure logic apply in anything?

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                              #15
                              Interesting.

                              I like both: the selected released pics of the models that can lead to fantasies, and the video (especially recordings of the photoshoots), which are more real, and may deflate the impact of the fantasies.

                              While I am personally "stung" by the natural beauty of models like Danny, Stacy, and Petra, I also like to see how they reacted, and what they said during the photoshoot. I realized that some of the talk and actual work maybe boring, but I don't want to see the **entire** photoshoot, just interesting clips.

                              For example, during the photoshoot with Katie that was outside. She seemed a little nervous, but tried anyway. I think the conversation during that time would have been interesting, and perhaps quite exciting. Or when models are new to nude photography, they sometimes get silly trying to deal with it, and continue posing. Those times could also be interesting to hear and see.

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                                #16
                                The models stay virtually silent during video, and what they do say is less interesting than you'd think. They say the interesting stuff when the cameras switch off - guaranteed almost 100% of the time.

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                                  #17
                                  Yup, it's true. I HATE talking on video, and I LOVE talking! Video freaks you out, it makes the models feel very vulnerable and open. Like reading their diary or something. You get to see what the model is REALLY like, it's not just something you infer from the stills or the bio.

                                  Sometimes it's good, with the GG shoots especially, but it's sooooo hard to get them to talk! During the stills they chat away and tell us their life stories, and then it's video time and no-one has a word to say!

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                                    #18
                                    Hmmm. Hey Videoman (whatever happened to "videodude" anyway?), Abby, and/or Elvaar, I got an idea.

                                    Everyone from Abby to Susie says a) models shut up when you start videotaping and b) the best lines, not to mention the best poses, always seem to happen between shots. I guess videotaping the entire photoshoot, including the breaks and downtime, would be a little intrusive. But what about recording ambient audio only? I think I'd rather hear edited bits of dialog to canned music during videos anyway. (The music's ok but since it's not orchestrated with the model's movements I usually turn the sound down after the introduction.)

                                    I know, I know. More work for you since phones are ringing and everyone's talking at once, more expense for Abby since it would involve a whole 'nother editing pass, and how many subscribers would care? Might be a dumb idea after all but that's what I'm here for :-)

                                    figleaf

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                                      #19
                                      We have kinda tried that, but you seem to hear more of us directing them, or me trying to chase up late models, answering phones, Abby's camera breaking, Abby reminding me of things I constantly forget, Elvaar needing a coffee...in short, because we are so close to the camera-you can hear all our voices too!! And believe me, it ain't always pretty!!

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                                        #20
                                        I kinda like the vids that some other sites put out of their "interviews" with their models. In some the models strip down while talking to the off-camera photographer, in others the models remain fully clothed throughout the 2- or 4-minute interview. You get a sense of the personality of the model (nervous vs. confident), their voice, a little of their mannerisms.

                                        Perhaps starting with something like that, which is not as threatening as immediately stripping, might allow the model to feel more confident in front of the camera and more willing to "let it all hang out". (Many, many meanings for that one, eh?)

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                                          #21
                                          I absolutely second that we need more speaking and clothed natural talk and performance before getting into the acts. Its so true and ALWAYS ignored in the porn industry. Why I dont know, and now that I know from above that the pornographers has the same sense, then why the hell keep repeating the mistakes.

                                          And btw , why does a lot of the girls vids have this terrible music dubbed on them, its not what creates an atmosphere.

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                                            #22
                                            Bobby,

                                            I wrote that post over a year ago, and since then Abby has made dozens of vids just like it. A lot of the girls are really chatty, and seem to love to talk at the camera.

                                            My favorite was of a model giving a "lesson" about her own pussy area as Abby was taking closeups of it.

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                                              #23
                                              Bobby, yes, we're aware of the sound issues on videos. This has been discussed in depth here on the boards. A good thread is here, if you're interested:

                                              http://www.abbywinters.com/discus/messages/4/2032.html

                                              abby

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