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    Less classy competing sites and "our" girls

    Maybe this post should be moved to a better spot or deleted or whatever but I just feel moved to compliment the consistently classy way in which Abby maintains certain standards of wholesomeness and respect for the models by showing them in reasonably dignified settings, doing reasonably natural things.

    Having said that, I know that Abby can't contract "exclusivity" for her models and that they must earn a few bucks where they can, often while students, etc. but I do find it a bit dismaying or just sad when I find familiar faces, even with their same names we know them from at AW, appearing at other sites, usually in far less classy sets and situations.

    I spotted a newsgroup posting of one of our absolutely most precious young beauties of the past year rolling around upside-down in the trunk of a car working her finger in her "bum". The car appeared to be located in a public parking lot with other cars about.

    In another, two of our most familiar models are seen outside some shack in the woods apparently trying to get a third model, rubbing herself on the bench, to "squirt". One of "our" models, is seen upright, looking on while rubbing herself in a way we've seen here, as well.
    I know Abby can't offer full-time employment to every smart and beautiful young woman that shows up but I do wish they could all have sites as classy as Abby's to go for a bit of work!
    Last edited by FloridaRob; 19 July 2007, 02:48 PM. Reason: Added second scenario and removed initialed reference to other site.

    #2
    Myea, I'm always slightly disappointed when I spot an 'AW model' on ads for other, lesser, sites.

    And there are quite a few doing it. Some of whom are established AW faves.

    Kinda ruins the warm, fuzzy image we have of some of the more regular models on here, esp if they've posted.

    Meh. Reality - F**k it.

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      #3
      I agree with Rob and Bondii on this, but money is so very strong and understand the needs the girls may have to help them for studying purposes. There is nothing we can do about it, that's why I'm a member of this site only, and don't intend to go elsewhere.
      Last edited by casgrain; 19 July 2007, 09:27 PM.

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        #4
        my first thought was who... where... then i don-wanna-no

        strange that, the voyeristic nature we (I) have, like the car crash, we look but instantly regret it... actually, when i have been in a long delay by a crash, i purposely avoid looking and cannot wait to pass, but i wonder if i was there when it happened would i stare?
        as for well known AW gals, they do need to earn a living. maybe AW cannot give them enough sets,work,or whatever to maintain.
        i would hope they would not do anything they really would not want to do, but must to meet obligations...
        i have only seen ISM and that's ok with me (like i am the judge of everyones ID)
        i think if i saw something that really bugged me, it would not stop my AW worship , but only choosing to view that model.
        that being said, there are a few gals i would love to see anywhere anytime anywhich way i could....... sigh
        oh look a car crash

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          #5
          Haha, Browneyes. I just think it's best not to single out this or that model. For one thing, if these three have done it, there must be many more so I'd not be revealing or discussing the issue in it's correct scope.

          Also, it's nice to at least think they are all students!

          I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I "love 'em all" and wish them only the best. Nothing bad should come to our "babies"!

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            #6
            Granted, GirlsOutWest is a bit more raunchy than AW (although it is certainly as honest). But I'm sure that 'our' models were well aware of that when they decided to pose for Annie. Judging by the videos, they do not only seem to be comfortable with but really enjoy the more 'explicit' activities. Perhaps some of the models on here just aren't as innocent as we'd like to think.

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              #7
              GOW’s approach is to be more "in yer face" and indeed raunchy. Also, some of the sets are ironic send-ups of the stereotypical porn that one sees elsewhere. FloridaRob's descriptions of a coupla shoots do seem lurid but one can play that game describing a few aw.com shoots, supposedly of models who are “delicate little snowflakes” (Abby’s words) who, when not posing, would otherwise be out “raising money for widows and orphans or rescuing abandoned kittens” (Roops’ words). Why, there’s even a shoot of a girl pissing on her bed, classy or what!!!!!!!

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                #8
                Mrs R. knowing you're a very active member at that site, I was pretty sure you'd comment on this thread.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mrs Roops View Post
                  Why, there’s even a shoot of a girl pissing on her bed, classy or what!!!!!!!
                  ... When and AW girl pisses on her bed, it's classy. Anywhere else, well, it's just not the same!

                  ( Or perhaps I rephrase that slightly. "When a girl pisses on her bed at AW, it's classy. If she pisses on her bed anywhere else, not as good! )

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                    #10
                    I think it's the lack of the slut/whore/f**k slut image that AW so successfully avoids. But other sites can't.

                    So, say an AW girl peeing on her bed is very hot when AW does it. Oh yea.

                    When someone else does it, even with the same girl, it's just cheap, nasty, exploitative, and slightly depressing, even.

                    Like much in life, cheap & nasty is free. Classy will cost you.

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                      #11
                      The real difference is AW's attitude towards the model. AW's staff is ALWAYS respectful and tolerant. I'm going by guesswork, but I think it comes from the top -- Abby INSISTS on it.
                      Still, it's a little disillusioning to even hear about this. I understand, intellectually, that AW is an illusion, at least in some part. But the idea of one of our sweet lovelies working for a squirting site, or other some sleazefest, is almost painful. There are other ways of paying bills, and, although I like to think I'm a realist, it tarnishes the model's image slightly if she's doing this. As someone else said, above, I don't really want to know.

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                        #12
                        That about says it, Nimrod. No doubt, Abby is all too aware of this and simply can't do anything about it. The situation will persist and the site will go on and the models will make their personal "choices" and we'll just "take what we can get", which is plenty, because, for me, it's the best site around!

                        Having said all that, I AM curious about GMBill deal. It is they who operate, or at least own, the site and some of these others, apparently. According to their scant homepage, "We provide billing services for a range of image-based subscription websites on the internet." ("Image-based"? Hmm!!)

                        It almost risks the impression that everyone works for them and it is they who "dispatch" models to this site or that. Can't be! Say it isn't so, Abby!

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                          #13
                          According to Abby's previous posts it's NOT true GM owns AW Corp. It is a Legal technicality from the (monkey) Business world.

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                            #14
                            Thanks Ham, (and apologies to Abby!) Clearly I've been hanging in the wrong message threads, among those with Less Knowledge and Power!

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                              #15
                              Reading through some of the posts I was just wondering if maybe some of us are being a little bit self-righteous. Perhaps some of us feel guilty or embarrassed at consuming porn and we assuage our guilt by saying, “at least aw.com treats the models with respect” – discuss.

                              Let me say that aw.com does not have the monopoly of care and respect to the models, most of whom, if they work elsewhere, would be at ISM/IFM/BA and Girlsoutwest.

                              So far only GOW has been mentioned and it irks me that by implication it is seen as a “sleazefest” which it certainly isn’t. Annie, the proprietor of GOW, prides herself on the one-to-one relationships that he has with the models and always respects their individual limits.

                              Memmur’s comments are spot on. It would show if any of the models were uncomfortable in what they are doing.

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                                #16
                                Guys, please don't dis other sites.

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                                  #17
                                  and hey, don't trumpet their coolness either. Remain agnostic. Or something.

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                                    #18
                                    Between mar/jun this year i joined up to ten sites looking for something as good,there wasn't one,although some were quite good some were a waste of money,mainly because of the sleazey male content,and a lethargic board content,and of course the glamour/fake content.

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                                      #19
                                      varying degrees of success,
                                      FTV girls
                                      Little mutt
                                      Simonscans
                                      Naughty mag
                                      All over 30
                                      Texas twins
                                      Metart
                                      Atk
                                      Girls out west
                                      ISM
                                      A naturist one with a lot of old pics
                                      We live together
                                      ...........and probably others i forgot,it's like searching for the meaning of life.
                                      Last edited by chiefbrody; 24 July 2007, 03:15 PM.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Abby View Post
                                        and hey, don't trumpet their coolness either. Remain agnostic. Or something.
                                        You, Ms. Abby, are so cool!

                                        You are probably cute, too, although I wouldn't know!

                                        As I said in my opening post, maybe it should be deleted and I'll be nearly grateful if you just close the thread as it has probably exceeded its usefulness and original intent.

                                        Leastwise, let's all take sweet and patient Abby's hint and not be naming and debating about other sites. I just wanted to compliment this site and to invite a little chat about our reactions to learning that a few of Abby's models been seen elsewhere and to see if I was the only one who finds Abby's site just a bit more classy...

                                        Maybe we can go forward without naming or hinting at other specific sites as it shouldn't be necessary.

                                        After all, we are "guests" on the message board of THIS site!

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                                          #21
                                          I think it's cute the way this thread talks about 'our' girls, haha... for me I wouldn't mind to try other websites, but I just don't trust them... I've heard that Abby is the best as far as treating the girls well and making them feel comfortable, so for me anything less than this treatment and I'm out... heard too many bad stories to go wandering around to other sites... oh but that doesn't include ISM/BA/IFM because they are like related to Abby and they are soo easy to do, they they're ok... but I can completely understand you guys wanting a sense of ownership over the girls here at AW... it makes your membership seem that much more exclusive, which is always nice....

                                          Luv Melinda

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mrs Roops View Post
                                            Reading through some of the posts I was just wondering if maybe some of us are being a little bit self-righteous. Perhaps some of us feel guilty or embarrassed at consuming porn and we assuage our guilt by saying, “at least aw.com treats the models with respect” – discuss.

                                            Let me say that aw.com does not have the monopoly of care and respect to the models, most of whom, if they work elsewhere, would be at ISM/IFM/BA and Girlsoutwest.

                                            So far only GOW has been mentioned and it irks me that by implication it is seen as a “sleazefest” which it certainly isn’t. Annie, the proprietor of GOW, prides herself on the one-to-one relationships that he has with the models and always respects their individual limits.

                                            Memmur’s comments are spot on. It would show if any of the models were uncomfortable in what they are doing.
                                            Hi, Mrs. Roops!
                                            Just to clarify, I have no doubt, (and I trust and hope), that many more sites also treat their models with a modicum of love and respect. I don't doubt your point that many of us perhaps assuage our "guilt" in the way you suggest. I also wanted to clarify that, if it was I that first specified GOW, it was only because that is the only place where I have found, (via newsgroup postings perhaps posted by that site), models familiar to me from AW and there were only two or three I have found, so far, involving three familiar faces here. Mermur's point is, indeed, well-taken.

                                            I have never visited any of those sites you mention, don't even know what they are.

                                            All I know is that Abby appears to have set a very high standard. It is hard to imagine a higher one. I am not unaware that a very tiny minority of the hundreds and hundreds of models that have been through Abby's doors have left upset about this or that but I believe it is relatively tiny and that Abby is due lots of respect for that. You can't have 1,500 people all happy about everything and, I'm sure that Abby would be the first to admit that she has learned a few lessons along the way. There's no school for how to run a site like this. She was surely one of the "pioneers" if not THE pioneer.

                                            My earlier postings were mostly intended to go to asking how others react to seeing familiar models doing vids they probably would not have been asked to do for AW. (That's about the best way it can be put.)

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Melinda View Post
                                              heard too many bad stories to go wandering around to other sites... oh but that doesn't include ISM/BA/IFM because they are like related to Abby and they are soo easy to do, they they're ok... but I can completely understand you guys wanting a sense of ownership over the girls here at AW... it makes your membership seem that much more exclusive, which is always nice....
                                              ... Truly glad to know that, Melinda. I don't even know what sites those are and don't want them posted either, not here.

                                              As for the "sense of ownership", well, just bring me another beer, would you, Melinda?

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mrs Roops View Post
                                                Reading through some of the posts I was just wondering if maybe some of us are being a little bit self-righteous. Perhaps some of us feel guilty or embarrassed at consuming porn and we assuage our guilt by saying, “at least aw.com treats the models with respect”
                                                Well said. The attitude that you describe tends to show up here and there on these boards, and I always find it very annoying. AW certainly has its uniqueness, but that does not mean that 1) it is not porn or 2) all other sites are degrading/tasteless/disrespectful.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by yoledey View Post
                                                  Well said. The attitude that you describe tends to show up here and there on these boards, and I always find it very annoying. AW certainly has its uniqueness, but that does not mean that 1) it is not porn or 2) all other sites are degrading/tasteless/disrespectful.
                                                  Nor that if models pose for AW it's only to express their sexuality and if they pose for other sites it's solely to make money.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mrs Roops View Post
                                                    Reading through some of the posts I was just wondering if maybe some of us are being a little bit self-righteous. Perhaps some of us feel guilty or embarrassed at consuming porn and we assuage our guilt by saying, “at least aw.com treats the models with respect” – discuss.

                                                    Let me say that aw.com does not have the monopoly of care and respect to the models, most of whom, if they work elsewhere, would be at ISM/IFM/BA and Girlsoutwest.

                                                    So far only GOW has been mentioned and it irks me that by implication it is seen as a “sleazefest” which it certainly isn’t. Annie, the proprietor of GOW, prides herself on the one-to-one relationships that he has with the models and always respects their individual limits.

                                                    Memmur’s comments are spot on. It would show if any of the models were uncomfortable in what they are doing.
                                                    Interesting point, Mrs. R.

                                                    Went looking through my psyche for guilt, but didn't really find any. However, there definitely is the mindset that this place is not "just another porn site". A tribute to the craft of the people that work on this site, I suppose. The illusion is so carefully crafted and maintained that it can be hard to remember what sort of a place this is, underneath.

                                                    For the record, I am currently a member at five other porn sites. Now, I haven't been to every site out there, by any means, but some of the sites I am (and have been) a member of do have rudimentary "backstage" style features, while the attitude of others can be inferred from the material presented (and the methods of presenting it). In my experience, I find that the models are treated, not "badly" in the standard sense, but very impersonally, even behind the scenes. Their humanity appears to be beside the point. That is the essence of the AW difference to me.

                                                    I used the word "sleazefest" because the activity described in the thread-starting post sounded sleazy to me. That's a value judgement, of course. It is not intended as a knock on any particular site, although we all know there are some exceedingly raunchy porn sites out there. Still, de gustibus non disputandum est.

                                                    In the end, it is perhaps good to occasionally open a discussion like this. Just to remind us that, despite the personal attachments that many of us seem to develop, the models here do pose for porn pictures and videos, and do get paid for it. To counterbalance the reality vibe, so to speak.

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by FloridaRob View Post
                                                      As for the "sense of ownership", well, just bring me another beer, would you, Melinda?
                                                      Oi! Watch it you... I'll bring you something alright.... a punch in da nose...

                                                      Luv Melinda

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Melinda View Post
                                                        Oi! Watch it you... I'll bring you something alright.... a punch in da nose...
                                                        ...If I cracked a smile on your face, that would make my day!


                                                        "Son! Can you open the door to that refrigerator over there....??"

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                                                          #29
                                                          I forgot sapphic erotica.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Jeeze Brodie, that’s a lot of porn to get through in a short period of time!!!

                                                            The type of porn that is denigrating to women are some of the “gonzo” sites, where the camera operator/stud cock has sex with compliant women.

                                                            Sometimes the tour/sales blurb states that the women are found in the mall or pub and they agree to have sex with complete strangers in front of the camera. All well and good, but often they are referred to as “stupid bitches/cunts who were tricked into having sex for a few dollars”. I know its probably contrived but it shows a complete disrespect for women as it gives the impression that we are all cock starved sluts who will fuck anybody.

                                                            The other genre that I absolutely loath are the violent rape sites and where women are portrayed having sex against their will. Hog-tied women being abused are also disgusting. There is some talk in the UK that it will be illegal to download and store imagery which portrays non-consensual sex, however that will be a minefield to codify. A few operators are staring to wise up, ‘cos at the end of the shoot there now appears a image of the abused and abuser(s) smiling happily.

                                                            Of course all the models may have been respectfully treated and paid well by the porn producers, but to my mind any site that portrays sexual violence as erotic or makes out that women secretly love to be facialised by a group of mindless wankers is not classy.

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